Opinion of Sabat?

[Gozar]

, and I really liked his less-gruff, more subdued Vegeta from some of Infinite World's cutscenes I've seen.

*Cries at that comment*

OK, as for the topic at hand. Chris Sabat is a very talented Voice Actor. He wouldn't be casted so often if he wasn't. He plays many major roles outside of the DB Universe. Zoro, Armstrong, Kurogane, Jigen, Kuwabara, etc. Funimation is a huge company and wouldn't keep casting the man if he was a bad actor.

As for his performances in DragonBall...It's obvious that whenever he voices a minor character they sound similar (I.E. the Commander Black voice). However I hate it when people say his Vegeta, Piccolo, & Yamcha all sound similar. It wasn't until the past 2 years or so that his Vegeta became TOO deep. Throughout the original run of the series the voices were far more different. The voices sound nothing alike, saying they do is pure bias. You don't have to like him in these roles, but come on now.

Vegeta: His voice of Vegeta is obviously far different from Horikawa. Horikawa is smooth and gives a royal feel to his voice. Sabat's Vegeta focused more on the arrogant pissy Vegeta. Now to me, something I've always said is. Vegeta is an arrogant prick first and a prince second. His arrogance is the main feature of his character. People say that the Dub give Vegeta much angrier scripting. While this may be true (I.e. You stay in the back and be quiet woman). I don't recall it being Funimation that had Vegeta threaten to kill Bulma if she tried to use the Dragon Ball's to help against the Jinzoningen. Vegeta's clearly a very angry character and while Funimation may play this up more at times. They also write Vegeta a number of softer lines. I bring this up because people claim Sabat's Vegeta ALWAYS sounds angry. NOT TRUE. A raspy voice does not mean he always sounds angry. He sounds angry when he's supposed to. Personally I like Sabat's Vegeta best in the Later Buu stuff through GT.

Piccolo: I've heard people refer to Sabat's Piccolo as "Drill Sergent Piccolo" because he's "always yelling". It's comments like those that make me write off most Sabat bashers as pure bias. Yes it is quite like that when Sabat first starts out. But Post Garlic Jr. his voice really starts to tone down and gets much more smoothed out when he's talking normally. I really don't think people who put down his Piccolo have even watched the Dub past Season 3 on Toonami. Because his voice DOES calm down. It's really very obvious.

Look, what really gets on my nerves is people who say that Sabat's voices for characters are unsuited. People don't have to like his voices for characters, but claiming they are un-suiting when Sabat captures major aspects of most of his characters is silly. Especially when people praise Brian Drummond in the same sentence (AKA, Teenage Punk Vegeta).

I mean come on now. The man's been doing the voices for a decade now and thousands of people love him.

[Innagadadavida]

Why do people think he isn't good at conveying emotions. He plays THE most emotional male in the series and I think he does a great job.

I think one of the best voice actors in the whole series is the guy who does Oolong.

[Gozar]

Why do people think he isn't good at conveying emotions. He plays THE most emotional male in the series and I think he does a great job.

This is true. Vegeta by far has the widest range of emotion and is the most well developed character in the series. Now, writing aside. When Vegeta's happy, Sabat sounds happy. When he cries, Sabat sounds sad. When he's angry, Sabat sounds angry. Does he sound like Horikawa? No. But I think most people will agree that the Voice Cast in the Dub of Cowboy Bebop is far more suiting for the characters than the Original. So being the original doesn't mean that the character HAS to sound like that. It's all a matter of opinion. Now if Sean Schemmel voice Vegeta and did his Kaio-sama voice. Yeah, that would be un-suiting, it would not capture any aspect of Vegeta's character. But Sabat captures Vegeta's feel.

[NeptuneKai]

I hate Sabat's Vegeta and Piccolo because they are way too cartoony. I realize this is a cartoon but you would never hear anyone sound like that in real life. I also think he does an AWFUL job at battle grunts but that is sort of an issue with the dub in general. I just hate those voices because of how unnatural they are, I constantly hear other characters voices slapping around in his throat whenever he does Vegeta or Piccolo. For the record I never thought any of the Saban voices were all that magnificent either.


TLDR;
Look at the voices in Funi's One Piece...now look at the voices in Dragonball.
Nuff' said

[Innagadadavida]

Piccolo's voice isn't cartoony.

Regardless, DBZ is a cartoon. And a very cartoony cartoon in the least.

You can't have a big pink bad guy with big poofy (diaper-looking) pants and a cape; then have him sound like Joe from down the street. (Unless Joe has a really high pitched voice). And I realize we're not talking about Buu; the point is the show is very cartoony.

[NeptuneKai]

Piccolo's voice isn't cartoony.

Regardless, DBZ is a cartoon. And a very cartoony cartoon in the least.

You can't have a big pink bad guy with big poofy (diaper-looking) pants and a cape; then have him sound like Joe from down the street. (Unless Joe has a really high pitched voice). And I realize we're not talking about Buu; the point is the show is very cartoony.

Buu isn't who I'm talking about. Buu is actually fairly close to what the Japanese version was going for (although they made him a little more dumbed down in the dub.)

Jheese doesn't need an Australian accent
Racoome doesn't need to sound mentally retarded
Vegeta doesn't need to sound like a chain smoker.
So on and so fourth.

I know it's a cartoon but it's an anime too, not every character needs a "WAKA WAKA WOAAAH HOW CRAAAZZZYYYY" kind of voice. The same way Don Kreig doesn't need to walk around with a German accent and Mihawk doesn't have to be French, it's all about trying to portray a respectable dub and Funimation along with Sabat's voices do a miserable job at that.

[SSJ2bardock]

Why do people think he isn't good at conveying emotions. He plays THE most emotional male in the series and I think he does a great job.

This is true. Vegeta by far has the widest range of emotion and is the most well developed character in the series. Now, writing aside. When Vegeta's happy, Sabat sounds happy. When he cries, Sabat sounds sad. When he's angry, Sabat sounds angry. Does he sound like Horikawa? No. But I think most people will agree that the Voice Cast in the Dub of Cowboy Bebop is far more suiting for the characters than the Original. So being the original doesn't mean that the character HAS to sound like that. It's all a matter of opinion. Now if Sean Schemmel voice Vegeta and did his Kaio-sama voice. Yeah, that would be un-suiting, it would not capture any aspect of Vegeta's character. But Sabat captures Vegeta's feel.

You know what Gozar, I'm starting to gain a lot of respect for you. I mean coming out and saying that here took some balls man.

Ok all joking aside though, I do agree with him.

[Innagadadavida]

Jheese doesn't need an Australian accent
Racoome doesn't need to sound mentally retarded
Vegeta doesn't need to sound like a chain smoker.
So on and so fourth.

I know it's a cartoon but it's an anime too, not every character needs a "WAKA WAKA WOAAAH HOW CRAAAZZZYYYY" kind of voice. The same way Don Kreig doesn't need to walk around with a German accent and Mihawk doesn't have to be French, it's all about trying to portray a respectable dub and Funimation along with Sabat's voices do a miserable job at that.

I agree. They added very stupid and over-the-top voices to characters that didn't need it. But they were minor characters. Vegeta's dub voice is not at all like that of any member of the Ginyu force.

And, I completely disagree with your statement that DBZ is a realistic cartoon.

[NeptuneKai]

Jheese doesn't need an Australian accent
Racoome doesn't need to sound mentally retarded
Vegeta doesn't need to sound like a chain smoker.
So on and so fourth.

I know it's a cartoon but it's an anime too, not every character needs a "WAKA WAKA WOAAAH HOW CRAAAZZZYYYY" kind of voice. The same way Don Kreig doesn't need to walk around with a German accent and Mihawk doesn't have to be French, it's all about trying to portray a respectable dub and Funimation along with Sabat's voices do a miserable job at that.

I agree. They added very stupid and over-the-top voices to characters that didn't need it. But they were minor characters. Vegeta's dub voice is not at all like that of any member of the Ginyu force.

And, I completely disagree with your statement that DBZ is a realistic cartoon.

You're right I'm not phrasing "realistic" correctly. What I'm trying to say is not every character needs to sound as wacky as they look.

I will admit the voices alone have gotten a LOT better over time, Yamcha doesn't sound like a pot head surfer anymore, Tenshinhan can actually emote and Piccolo isn't always screaming his lines. But that just can't help characters that had a purely shitty voice to begin with. (Although I'm not completely blaming that on Sabat.)

In my opinion I'd rather hear a smooth princely sounding Vegeta rather then a raspy throat one any day. Then there is the whole fact that Sabat can NOT do battle cries at ALL in my opinion. I think the dub as a whole has an issue with martial arts noises and these "CRAAAZYYYY" voices aren't helping much.

But this is all subjective regardless so know I'm not trying to offend anyone here and I respect your opinions.

[Innagadadavida]

It's also a matter of what you're used to. It's like when you take a drink of soda but you're expecting juice. It tastes disgusting even though it's really not. Once you get used to the voices in a certain way, any other voice just doesn't fit.

[Gozar]

I hate Sabat's Vegeta and Piccolo because they are way too cartoony. I realize this is a cartoon but you would never hear anyone sound like that in real life. I also think he does an AWFUL job at battle grunts but that is sort of an issue with the dub in general. I just hate those voices because of how unnatural they are, I constantly hear other characters voices slapping around in his throat whenever he does Vegeta or Piccolo. For the record I never thought any of the Saban voices were all that magnificent either.

Cartoony is a word that people throw around when putting down FUNi. I don't even find it to hold any bearing. If you want to hear Saturday Morning Cartoon, watch the Ocean Cast, post Namek. Seriously, the music, the sound effects, the casting. THAT was a Cartoony feel. I'm not one of those people who goes around bashing the Ocean Cast because I like FUNi, but that's clearly what they were shooting for. Sabat's Vegeta and Piccolo are not cartoony, they just sound unnatural as far as normal humans go. But Piccolo is a Namekian Demon incarnate. Vegeta is from another race of people from another planet. Why does he have to sound exactly like a human?

You know what Gozar, I'm starting to gain a lot of respect for you. I mean coming out and saying that here took some balls man.

LOL, well what's the worst that can happen? I become a despised member of the Forum and people try to run me out?

"Well...It wouldn't be the first time. But...What I represent can NEVER be destroyed."

[Innagadadavida]

LOL, well what's the worst that can happen? I become a despised member of the Forum and people try to run me out?

"Well...It wouldn't be the first time. But...What I represent can NEVER be destroyed."

I may be a noobie here, but for what it's worth, I'm with you man. I like Funimation's dub. People are way to opinionated.

[NeptuneKai]

It's also a matter of what you're used to. It's like when you take a drink of soda but you're expecting juice. It tastes disgusting even though it's really not. Once you get used to the voices in a certain way, any other voice just doesn't fit.

That's true it's all about taste and I used to love the dub (just take a look back at my introduction, when I came to this forum a year ago I had barely watched any of the Japanese version.) But after watching more and more of the Japanese version it just seemed a lot easier on my ears with music, voices and general mood. If dub Dragonball was Heavy Metal I always felt the original would be Classic Rock. But some people love Heavy Metal and that's cool too.

I just have an issue when people put down the Japanese version and say the dub is SOOOOO much better, while Quality is subjective I just find it a little annoying people would claim synthesized music and blue French aliens top what the Japanese version has done with itself.

[DBHighDefinition]

I hate Sabat's Vegeta and Piccolo because they are way too cartoony. I realize this is a cartoon but you would never hear anyone sound like that in real life. I also think he does an AWFUL job at battle grunts but that is sort of an issue with the dub in general. I just hate those voices because of how unnatural they are, I constantly hear other characters voices slapping around in his throat whenever he does Vegeta or Piccolo. For the record I never thought any of the Saban voices were all that magnificent either.

Cartoony is a word that people throw around when putting down FUNi. I don't even find it to hold any bearing. If you want to hear Saturday Morning Cartoon, watch the Ocean Cast, post Namek. Seriously, the music, the sound effects, the casting. THAT was a Cartoony feel. I'm not one of those people who goes around bashing the Ocean Cast because I like FUNi, but that's clearly what they were shooting for. Sabat's Vegeta and Piccolo are not cartoony, they just sound unnatural as far as normal humans go. But Piccolo is a Namekian Demon incarnate. Vegeta is from another race of people from another planet. Why does he have to sound exactly like a human?

You know what Gozar, I'm starting to gain a lot of respect for you. I mean coming out and saying that here took some balls man.

LOL, well what's the worst that can happen? I become a despised member of the Forum and people try to run me out?

"Well...It wouldn't be the first time. But...What I represent can NEVER be destroyed."

"What ever turns you on, big guy"

[SSJ2bardock]

You know what Gozar, I'm starting to gain a lot of respect for you. I mean coming out and saying that here took some balls man.

LOL, well what's the worst that can happen? I become a despised member of the Forum and people try to run me out?

"Well...It wouldn't be the first time. But...What I represent can NEVER be destroyed."

Well daizex is a traditionally pro-Japanese board (as I'm sure you don't need me telling you that), not saying that's a problem, just saying you're not going to get many people to agree with you on this here.

But whatever, express your own opinions as you'd like, you've got a supporter in me.

[Tsukento]

Why do people think he isn't good at conveying emotions. He plays THE most emotional male in the series and I think he does a great job.

Simple.

Compare the original to the season redub.

Ryo Horikawa expresses sadness and anger while sounding like he's on the verge of death but is struggling to keep himself alive to finish saying his final words to Goku. Chris Sabat, however, doesn't even sound like his Vegeta is on the verge of death. That and you've got more whining than sadness.

When it comes to Piccolo, it's mostly grunts that come out of him when Sabat voices him. Not only this, but he sounds more like a generic gruff voice than anything else. That and Scott McNeil portrayed a perfect Piccolo.

[NeptuneKai]

Cartoony is a word that people throw around when putting down FUNi. I don't even find it to hold any bearing. If you want to hear Saturday Morning Cartoon, watch the Ocean Cast, post Namek. Seriously, the music, the sound effects, the casting. THAT was a Cartoony feel. I'm not one of those people who goes around bashing the Ocean Cast because I like FUNi, but that's clearly what they were shooting for. Sabat's Vegeta and Piccolo are not cartoony, they just sound unnatural as far as normal humans go. But Piccolo is a Namekian Demon incarnate. Vegeta is from another race of people from another planet. Why does he have to sound exactly like a human?

No I disagree, corny sound effects, terrible music and bad voices plagued a lot of post Saban stuff too.

Piccolo I always felt wasn't too bad voice wise but Sabat's acting for Piccolo wasn't that great (you have to admit he BARKED EVERY LINE before the Buu saga) As for Vegeta I never felt the throat cancer voice fit his character at all I think the more smooth princely feel was best for him so it's a little awkward to hear him sound like he smokes a pack a day. ( I know I've been saying this a lot but then again I've been thrown the same argument a lot too.)

I like Funimation's dub. People are way to opinionated.

"BUT YOU'RE NOT OPINIONATED BECAUSE YOU AGREE WITH ME!"

How dare people voice their opinions on a Dragonball discussion forum.

[SSJ2bardock]

Why do people think he isn't good at conveying emotions. He plays THE most emotional male in the series and I think he does a great job.

Simple.

Compare the original to the season redub.

Ryo Horikawa expresses sadness and anger while sounding like he's on the verge of death but is struggling to keep himself alive to finish saying his final words to Goku. Chris Sabat, however, doesn't even sound like his Vegeta is on the verge of death. That and you've got more whining than sadness.

When it comes to Piccolo, it's mostly grunts that come out of him when Sabat voices him. Not only this, but he sounds more like a generic gruff voice than anything else. That and Scott McNeil portrayed a perfect Piccolo.

While I do agree that the Funimation dub was portraying the character's differently than the original, I still can't get over the constant "Kuh-kuh-kuh" that all of the characters do in the Japanese version.

Say what you will about the dub's over the top screams, but seriously who makes the sound "kuh-kuh-kuh" in real life? I've certainly never heard it and quite frankly it drives me up the fucking wall every time I hear it.

So in conclusion to what you posted, yes the characters were portrayed differently, but I still like the way the scene was carried out by Schemmel and Sabat.

[NeptuneKai]

Why do people think he isn't good at conveying emotions. He plays THE most emotional male in the series and I think he does a great job.

Simple.

Compare the original to the season redub.

Ryo Horikawa expresses sadness and anger while sounding like he's on the verge of death but is struggling to keep himself alive to finish saying his final words to Goku. Chris Sabat, however, doesn't even sound like his Vegeta is on the verge of death. That and you've got more whining than sadness.

When it comes to Piccolo, it's mostly grunts that come out of him when Sabat voices him. Not only this, but he sounds more like a generic gruff voice than anything else. That and Scott McNeil portrayed a perfect Piccolo.

While I do agree that the Funimation dub was portraying the character's differently than the original, I still can't get over the constant "Kuh-kuh-kuh" that all of the characters do in the Japanese version.

Say what you will about the dub's over the top screams, but seriously who makes the sound "kuh-kuh-kuh" in real life? I've certainly never heard it and quite frankly it drives me up the fucking wall every time I hear it.

So in conclusion to what you posted, yes the characters were portrayed differently, but I still like the way the scene was carried out by Schemmel and Sabat.

People make that sound when put under a lot of strain, believe me I've heard it a LOT from people, it's a much more realistic noise then

"GRAAAAAGGGHHHRAAAAGHHIIIEEEEAAAAGH"

[SSJ2bardock]

Simple.

Compare the original to the season redub.

Ryo Horikawa expresses sadness and anger while sounding like he's on the verge of death but is struggling to keep himself alive to finish saying his final words to Goku. Chris Sabat, however, doesn't even sound like his Vegeta is on the verge of death. That and you've got more whining than sadness.

When it comes to Piccolo, it's mostly grunts that come out of him when Sabat voices him. Not only this, but he sounds more like a generic gruff voice than anything else. That and Scott McNeil portrayed a perfect Piccolo.

While I do agree that the Funimation dub was portraying the character's differently than the original, I still can't get over the constant "Kuh-kuh-kuh" that all of the characters do in the Japanese version.

Say what you will about the dub's over the top screams, but seriously who makes the sound "kuh-kuh-kuh" in real life? I've certainly never heard it and quite frankly it drives me up the fucking wall every time I hear it.

So in conclusion to what you posted, yes the characters were portrayed differently, but I still like the way the scene was carried out by Schemmel and Sabat.

People make that sound when put under a lot of strain, believe me I've heard it a LOT from people, it's a much more realistic noise then

"GRAAAAAGGGHHHRAAAAGHHIIIEEEEAAAAGH"

I disagree, I've never heard anything even close to the noise the Japanese cast makes in a real life situation, while I've heard things that were a lot closer to the screams in the dub, exaggerated as they may be.