Opinion of Sabat?

[NeptuneKai]

I disagree, I've never heard anything even close to the noise the Japanese cast makes in a real life situation, while I've heard things that were a lot closer to the screams in the dub, exaggerated as they may be.

I really am not sure you've been in a situation where someone would be under extreme physical pain to the point of making that sound.

Hell even common tasks when your lifting something very very heavy do you go

"GREAAAAIIIIAEEERGHRAAAGG" or do you do the "Kkkch" thing?

[DBHighDefinition]

I disagree, I've never heard anything even close to the noise the Japanese cast makes in a real life situation, while I've heard things that were a lot closer to the screams in the dub, exaggerated as they may be.

I really am not sure you've been in a situation where someone would be under extreme physical pain to the point of making that sound.

Hell even common tasks when your lifting something very very heavy do you go

"GREAAAAIIIIAEEERGHRAAAGG" or do you do the "Kkkch" thing?

I do "GREAAAAIIIIAEEERGHRAAAGG"...

[Tsukento]

"GREAAAAIIIIAEEERGHRAAAGG" or do you do the "Kkkch" thing?

Neither.

I'm neither constipated, nor a clicker.

[SSJ2bardock]

I disagree, I've never heard anything even close to the noise the Japanese cast makes in a real life situation, while I've heard things that were a lot closer to the screams in the dub, exaggerated as they may be.

I really am not sure you've been in a situation where someone would be under extreme physical pain to the point of making that sound.

Hell even common tasks when your lifting something very very heavy do you go

"GREAAAAIIIIAEEERGHRAAAGG" or do you do the "Kkkch" thing?

Actually I here neither in every day tasks, but the context in which the screams are used in the dub are not during the pain situations that you're describing. They usually occur when they're powering up or launching a huge attack so I'm not sure where your going with your point.

Well Mr Neptune, we seem to be getting into another one of our almost predictable tango of opinions again, in multiple threads at the same time I might add!

So to you good sir, I say to each his own and good day!

[NeptuneKai]

I disagree, I've never heard anything even close to the noise the Japanese cast makes in a real life situation, while I've heard things that were a lot closer to the screams in the dub, exaggerated as they may be.

I really am not sure you've been in a situation where someone would be under extreme physical pain to the point of making that sound.

Hell even common tasks when your lifting something very very heavy do you go

"GREAAAAIIIIAEEERGHRAAAGG" or do you do the "Kkkch" thing?

I do "GREAAAAIIIIAEEERGHRAAAGG"...

Well in that case I change my mind, the dub is the best thing since Vagina.

Well Mr Neptune, we seem to be getting into another one of our almost predictable tango of opinions again, in multiple threads at the same time I might add!

So to you good sir, I say to each his own and good day!

Ha Ha oh my you are one cool guy SSJ2 Bardock, you wouldn't be the first one I've gotten into multiple arguments with in multiple threads.

[DBHighDefinition]

I really am not sure you've been in a situation where someone would be under extreme physical pain to the point of making that sound.

Hell even common tasks when your lifting something very very heavy do you go

"GREAAAAIIIIAEEERGHRAAAGG" or do you do the "Kkkch" thing?

I do "GREAAAAIIIIAEEERGHRAAAGG"...

Well in that case I change my mind, the dub is the best thing since Vagina.

o_0

[Kendamu]

A lot of the voices are goofy in both the Japanese and English versions. However, good music, good acting, and a good script can make you forget some of those things. I think the Ocean cast dub of the first three DBZ movies and the Japanese version of the anime definitely proves that. The FUNi dub, at this point, could do that. However, that would require actually having a good script.

[NeptuneKai]

A lot of the voices are goofy in both the Japanese and English versions. However, good music, good acting, and a good script can make you forget some of those things. I think the Ocean cast dub of the first three DBZ movies and the Japanese version of the anime definitely proves that. The FUNi dub, at this point, could do that. However, that would require actually having a good script.

I don't think the best script ever could make me forget North Kai and Freeza. I also honestly think the goofiest voice in the Japanese version is just about equal to one normal voice in the Funi dub.

[Innagadadavida]

"BUT YOU'RE NOT OPINIONATED BECAUSE YOU AGREE WITH ME!"

How dare people voice their opinions on a Dragonball discussion forum.

Nah, you got me wrong, mang. I meant that in the opposite way. When a majority believes something and one guy says something else, he gets verbally crucified. I know I'm opinionated, but I like to think that I am reasonably so.

Also, I used the wrong form of "too" in that quote.

[Gozar]

Well daizex is a traditionally pro-Japanese board (as I'm sure you don't need me telling you that), not saying that's a problem, just saying you're not going to get many people to agree with you on this here.

But whatever, express your own opinions as you'd like, you've got a supporter in me.

LOL, no getting around that. But when a Dub Topic comes up I will always jump to it's defense where I see fit.

People make that sound when put under a lot of strain, believe me I've heard it a LOT from people, it's a much more realistic noise then

"GRAAAAAGGGHHHRAAAAGHHIIIEEEEAAAAGH"

Actually when lifting weights I'm more prone to something in between the 2.

[Super Sonic]

Will have to say, Mr. Sabat has a great sense of humor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z68nSBrRGG0

[Gozar]

I think his role as Ayame shows off his range. He does a great job.

[Captain Awesome]

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Ryo Horikawa expresses sadness and anger while sounding like he's on the verge of death but is struggling to keep himself alive to finish saying his final words to Goku. Chris Sabat, however, doesn't even sound like his Vegeta is on the verge of death. That and you've got more whining than sadness.

Exactly.

Sabat simply doesn't have the vocal range to emote properly while he's doing a character voice, he constantly slips in and out, and during the Boo arc Piccolo and Vegeta sound identical at times.

When Sabat is voicing Zoro, which is very close to his own voice, he sounds much more natural, and much more convincing, but every line vomits up in Dragonball sounds completely and utterly forced, I think he's come a long way and does some genuinely good work these days, but to me that doesn't negate the fact that all of his work on Dragonball sucked hardcore.

[Gozar]

Ryo Horikawa expresses sadness and anger while sounding like he's on the verge of death but is struggling to keep himself alive to finish saying his final words to Goku. Chris Sabat, however, doesn't even sound like his Vegeta is on the verge of death. That and you've got more whining than sadness.

Sabat simply doesn't have the vocal range to emote properly while he's doing a character voice, he constantly slips in and out

I'm sorry but I need to call BS on this one. We don't sound exactly the same, our voices changes depending on our emotions. We don't sound the same when we cry.

When I heard Sabat's Re-Dub on Vegeta's death I praised him for going outside of the Vegeta voice. I hate it when VA's try so hard to stay in a voice for crying scenes. Their performance suffers when in reality they should let the tone and pitch of their voice change with their emotion.

[Tsukento]

I'm sorry but I need to call BS on this one. We don't sound exactly the same, our voices changes depending on our emotions. We don't sound the same when we cry.

When I heard Sabat's Re-Dub on Vegeta's death I praised him for going outside of the Vegeta voice. I hate it when VA's try so hard to stay in a voice for crying scenes. Their performance suffers when in reality they should let the tone and pitch of their voice change with their emotion.

I dunno, man. I've watched that same scene so many times and he just keeps the Vegeta voice, only whispering with the occasional cough and hack and an attempt to sound like he's crying when it's more borderline whining.

Didn't help with the dialogue they gave him.

[Kendamu]

A lot of the voices are goofy in both the Japanese and English versions. However, good music, good acting, and a good script can make you forget some of those things. I think the Ocean cast dub of the first three DBZ movies and the Japanese version of the anime definitely proves that. The FUNi dub, at this point, could do that. However, that would require actually having a good script.

I don't think the best script ever could make me forget North Kai and Freeza. I also honestly think the goofiest voice in the Japanese version is just about equal to one normal voice in the Funi dub.

While true, I'd find them a lot easier to forgive if the script were better.

[Gozar]

I'm sorry but I need to call BS on this one. We don't sound exactly the same, our voices changes depending on our emotions. We don't sound the same when we cry.

When I heard Sabat's Re-Dub on Vegeta's death I praised him for going outside of the Vegeta voice. I hate it when VA's try so hard to stay in a voice for crying scenes. Their performance suffers when in reality they should let the tone and pitch of their voice change with their emotion.

I dunno, man. I've watched that same scene so many times and he just keeps the Vegeta voice, only whispering with the occasional cough and hack and an attempt to sound like he's crying when it's more borderline whining.

Didn't help with the dialogue they gave him.

Nah, the original Dub of it was whining. The Re-Dub was leagues better.

[Tsukento]

Nah, the original Dub of it was whining. The Re-Dub was leagues better.

It's still the same "Freeza took me away from my daddy and made me do bad things. If I didn't, he said he would kill daddy...and he still did! ;_;" from 1999, just with a more recent dub Vegeta tone.

[Gozar]

Nah, the original Dub of it was whining. The Re-Dub was leagues better.

It's still the same "Freeza took me away from my daddy and made me do bad things. If I didn't, he said he would kill daddy...and he still did! ;_;" from 1999, just with a more recent dub Vegeta tone.

The script isn't Sabat's fault. =/

[Saago]

The terrible acting with Sabat's Vegeta (and other characters) has nothing to do, I think, with Sabat's emotional range itself. As everybody mentioned, some of his other dubs are much better than his dubs in Dragon Ball. Why, then? Well, it's obvious: the voice.

There's simply no way ANYONE would be able to emote ANYTHING with the kind of voice they wanted for Vegeta. It's impossible. It's an exaggerated, cartoonish, stereotypical, "unhuman" voice. How is he supposed to express emotions when he's having a hard time just MAKING the voice? With an approach like that, Sabat is completely blocked in the "oh-so-badasssss" range all the time; he simply can't emote anything without "cheating". That proves how awful the approach of the dub was and how they butchered the character.

It's just what happens, for example, with David Hayter and his Solid Snake (though in this case, for some reason, everybody seems to love it). They are so focused on the "man-I'm-a-badass-or-what" part the performance is completely monotonous because the cartoonish voice they use prevents the actor from emoting, all they can do is read the phrase struggling for the voice to stay in place, and if you compare it with the Japanese version (where Snake and Vegeta sound like real persons) you realise how incredibly dehumanized Snake (or Vegeta) is in the English dub. For some reason, this kind of exaggeratedly raspy-grunty approach is very frequent when dubbing Japanese material, and it seems that as long as a character sounds badass (even if he sounds FAKE when the original DOESN'T) people love it, no matter what.

By the way:

But Piccolo is a Namekian Demon incarnate. Vegeta is from another race of people from another planet. Why does he have to sound exactly like a human?

Easy: because that's how they are supposed to sound. If they weren't supposed to sound like normal persons, they wouldn't have been voiced like normal persons in the original version. The fact that Dragon Ball has a cartoonish look has nothing to do with it.