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Post by Kaboom » Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:41 pm

Really, I don't get why anyone's worried about it. So he might not wear the good ol' orange-n'-black getup until a certain point, for the sake of plot. Who cares?
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Post by omegacwa » Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:50 pm

Clearly Goku must have tons of skin diseases because he wears the same clothes everyday and never bathes.

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Post by Acid_Reign » Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:57 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:Really, I don't get why anyone's worried about it. So he might not wear the good ol' orange-n'-black getup until a certain point, for the sake of plot. Who cares?
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Post by Tsukento » Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:21 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:Really, I don't get why anyone's worried about it. So he might not wear the good ol' orange-n'-black getup until a certain point, for the sake of plot. Who cares?
He doesn't have the hair. He doesn't have the gi.

Do pray tell how one could actually tell he's supposed to be Goku?
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Post by Freeza Heika » Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:23 pm

Tsukento wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:Really, I don't get why anyone's worried about it. So he might not wear the good ol' orange-n'-black getup until a certain point, for the sake of plot. Who cares?
He doesn't have the hair. He doesn't have the gi.

Do pray tell how one could actually tell he's supposed to be Goku?
Can't you tell? He just radiates the same manly aura as Goku, maybe even manlier.
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Post by Tsukento » Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:25 pm

Freeza Heika wrote:Can't you tell? He just radiates the same manly aura as Goku, maybe even manlier.
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Post by Kaboom » Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:27 pm

Tsukento wrote:He doesn't have the hair. He doesn't have the gi.

Do pray tell how one could actually tell he's supposed to be Goku?
What? He has both. His versions are just suitable for a human being. Because there's a human being playing him.
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Post by JAPPO » Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:29 pm

Tsukento wrote:
Freeza Heika wrote:Can't you tell? He just radiates the same manly aura as Goku, maybe even manlier.
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Post by Tsukento » Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:31 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:What? He has both. His versions are just suitable for a human being. Because there's a human being playing him.
According to the movie, Goku is a Saiyan. If you wanna go to the source material, Toriyama intentionally made Goku a weird kid. The never changing hairstyle and monkey tail are notable features. And that hair and gi in the movie don't say "This is Goku." They say "We can't be bothered to follow the source material."

And who says the hair can't be pulled off?

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Post by Freeza Heika » Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:32 pm

Tsukento wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:What? He has both. His versions are just suitable for a human being. Because there's a human being playing him.
According to the movie, Goku is a Saiyan. If you wanna go to the source material, Toriyama intentionally made Goku a weird kid. The never changing hairstyle and monkey tail are notable features. And that hair and gi in the movie don't say "This is Goku." They say "We can't be bothered to follow the source material."

And who says the hair can't be pulled off?

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Post by Acid_Reign » Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:37 pm

Tsukento wrote:And that hair and gi in the movie don't say "This is Goku." They say "We can't be bothered to follow the source material."
*Spikes every strand of hair straight up*

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Post by Tsukento » Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:44 pm

Acid_Reign wrote:*Spikes every strand of hair straight up*

“Yeeaaup, that should do it!”
Shoot, that's like doing what this Vegeta cosplayer did:
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Post by Kaboom » Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:47 pm

Yes you CAN do the hair exactly as in the series, but it doesn't mean that you should. Goku's series hair as it is should stay in 2D.

There is a big difference between cosplay and a look adapted for a film adaptation. Justin Chatwin as Goku doesn't have huge, divided hair or a bright, plain, yellow-orange gi or a monkey tail, for the same reason Hugh Jackman as Wolverine didn't wear yellow spandex. If Goku did, everyone in the audience (minus the 5/200 that are DB fans already) would spend the entire movie mocking and laughing, ignoring the story in favor of pointing out, "look at that guy's ridiculous hair."

Yes, it would be "accurate," but it would also look like utter crap.

Same goes for the gi. They stylized it a bit, and it looks cool, and better on an actual human being. So what?

This movie does have a couple flaws. However, Goku's look is not one of them.

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Acid_Reign wrote:*Spikes every strand of hair straight up*

“Yeeaaup, that should do it!”
Actually, the entire deal leans forward, and they've styled the stuff on the back of his head to stick outwards as well. Just like Goku's, only not divided into gigantic, triangular spikes that double the overall size of his head.

Series-Goku's hair is goofy and may very well bend the fabric of the dimensions themselves. They've done the best they can to make it look faithful without looking stupid, and they deserve credit for that.
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Post by SSJ2bardock » Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:49 pm

The black guy just had to cosplay as Popo :roll:
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Post by Tsukento » Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:01 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:Yes you CAN do the hair exactly as in the series, but it doesn't mean that you should. Goku's series hair as it is should stay in 2D.

There is a big difference between cosplay and a look adapted for a film adaptation. Justin Chatwin as Goku doesn't have huge, divided hair or a bright, plain, yellow-orange gi or a monkey tail, for the same reason Hugh Jackman as Wolverine didn't wear yellow spandex. If Goku did, everyone in the audience (minus the 5/200 that are DB fans already) would spend the entire movie mocking and laughing, ignoring the story in favor of pointing out, "look at that guy's ridiculous hair."

Yes, it would be "accurate," but it would also look like utter crap.

Same goes for the gi. They stylized it a bit, and it looks cool, and better on an actual human being. So what?

This movie does have a couple flaws. However, Goku's look is not one of them.
In this movie's case, the only difference is that the cast is being paid to stand around looking horrible and pretending they look like the characters they're supposed to be dressed up as.

In regards to Wolverine and the possibility of people walking out, I call shenanigans. Several super heroes still wore their outfits that looked exactly like their outfits from the source material. The only one to draw any attention was Batman and Robin with their infamous bat and bird nipples. Hugh at least had the hair style, the build, the claws and the attitude of Wolverine.

Justin does not have the same qualities as Goku. Not by a long shot.
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Post by Snail » Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:06 pm

The hair didn't have to be extremely identical to that of the original, although it could've been a much more subdued variation, something like Cloud's hair perhaps. Hell, I've got quite a few friends from college that love to morph their hair into all sorts of crazyness. But fuck it, Chatwin's do' for the film is ok, until you get into the whole Ace Ventura resemblence /LAWL. Nonetheless, not big enough of a problem to dwell over, unlike the rest of what we know concerning the movie

Also, I don't care what kind of flack I get for bringing up this qualm I have with the casting with Goku; WHY AINT HE ASIANNZ?!! (I don't want a reply plz :) )

In addition, personally Chatwin could make a much more convincing and powerful(?) Goku, if the studio would've gotten the guy to gain a good 10 - 15 pounds of mass. At the moment though, he just strikes me as a confused, somewhat misplaced, miscast actor giving a half-assed performance. If anything, he reminds me more of Gohan, as opposed to Goku.

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Post by Kaboom » Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:15 pm

Tsukento wrote:In this movie's case, the only difference is that the cast is being paid to stand around looking horrible and pretending they look like the characters they're supposed to be dressed up as.
So I take it you're ignoring the various clips and screenshots we've seen of the cast very much in action? Or you've been to the future and seen the movie, and there is very little action beyond what the trailer was mostly comprised of?

Or are you just taking any opportunity at this point to make unfair and unfounded jabs at them?
Tsukento wrote:In regards to Wolverine and the possibility of people walking out, I call shenanigans. Several super heroes still wore their outfits that looked exactly like their outfits from the source material. The only one to draw any attention was Batman and Robin with their infamous bat and bird nipples. Hugh at least had the hair style, the build, the claws and the attitude of Wolverine.
I didn't say anything about "walking out." Just making a mockery of it, the same way, like you pointed out, with Batman and Robin, with their bat-nipples apparently standing on end from the cold thanks to Mr. Freezinator. Would X-Men have been any less ridiculous-looking as B&R was if they had everyone in spandex?

Do we really want DragonBall to end up looking like a circus for the sake of "accuracy?" It's the same kind of reaction a lot of Trekkies are having concerning J.J. Abrams' new Trek movie. Crying and proclaiming it's "ruined," because the re-imagined Enterprise doesn't have switchboards and kaleidoscopes for bridge consoles like in the 60's show.
Tsukento wrote:Justin does not have the same qualities as Goku. Not by a long shot.
Movie-Goku is:
- A Saiyan.
- Raised in the countryside by Grandpa Gohan.
- Strong.
- Brave.
- Talented.
- Optimistic.
- Chivalrous.
- Kindhearted.
- Loving.
- An awkward social outcast.
- Hungry.

...Just like series-Goku. There are a few tiny differences. But are all these similarities outweighed by stupid tiny things like, "he's wearing a sweater?"

"Not by a long shot."
Snail wrote:In addition, personally Chatwin could make a much more convincing and powerful(?) Goku, if the studio would've gotten the guy to gain a good 10 - 15 pounds of mass.
Check this shot out, and you may be just a little relieved. He's got a respectable amount of muscle on him, and his proportions are more akin to an actual trained martial artist.

Once we get into the sequels, and he's a planet-busting Super Saiyan, then we might have a problem if he doesn't buff up more.
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Post by Tsukento » Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:20 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote: Movie-Goku is:
- A Saiyan.
- Raised in the countryside by Grandpa Gohan.
- Strong.
- Brave.
- Talented.
- Optimistic.
- Chivalrous.
- Kindhearted.
- Loving.
- An awkward social outcast.
- Hungry.

...Just like series-Goku. There are a few tiny differences. But are all these similarities outweighed by stupid tiny things like, "he's wearing a sweater?"

"Not by a long shot."
How's that time machine running? Cause I'd like to know how you seem to know Goku's raised in the country side, optimistic (lol), chivalrous, kindhearted, and loving.
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Post by Chuquita » Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:37 pm

I'd have been more complaisant about how Chatwin looks if he at least had either bangs, black eyes (contacts can take care of that) or black hair (hairdye - yes, it does exist).

He doesn't need to have the exact hair down, but not even the bare minimum is there, and that's one of the things that cheeses me off about Goku's portrayal.



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Post by Snail » Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:53 pm

Tsukento wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote: Movie-Goku is:
- A Saiyan.
- Raised in the countryside by Grandpa Gohan.
- Strong.
- Brave.
- Talented.
- Optimistic.
- Chivalrous.
- Kindhearted.
- Loving.
- An awkward social outcast.
- Hungry.

...Just like series-Goku. There are a few tiny differences. But are all these similarities outweighed by stupid tiny things like, "he's wearing a sweater?"

"Not by a long shot."
How's that time machine running? Cause I'd like to know how you seem to know Goku's raised in the country side, optimistic (lol), chivalrous, kindhearted, and loving.
An assumption made upon that one scene (Gohan and Goku training) in the promo trailer we were exposed to I suppose.

For those who care enough to read, I'm going to throw this out here as it relates to the thread discussion in one form or another (?).

This live action film already began to alienate it's fans as soon as the news upon Goku going to high school :roll: was lain out. Whoever 'Okay'd' the decision to introduce brand new characters out-of-the-fucking-blue, and stick Goku in high school deserves a great wet slap to the face.

The film could've easily played out in the same way, and have gotten much more praise and understanding from fans and movie-goers alike, if they simply had Goku grow up in a place with strong relation to shaolin temples. In addition, it'd pave the way for a much easier method of incorporating extra Dragonball characters and cameos (Tenshinhan, Chaozu, Kuririn,) into the film, whether or not they would have prominent roles, it wouldn't matter. Their presence alone would have set some sort of a background that wouldn't be necessary to lay out in the event of a possible sequel.

I'm almost certain there was a good deal of awesome ideas that were ignored in favor of trying to 'mainstream' the film in order to appeal to the trendy loving boys and girls. Here's how I see it: the film is going to make a considerable amount in box office upon it's release, so why tamper with the original concepts of the source material so much? I mean, the team behind the film may as friggin' well have tried to appease the fans of Dragonball moreso, as it would make no real difference in the box office. Common movie-goers will be skeptical as to whether or not they want to view the film whether or not if it's mainstream or altered significantly, afterall they don't know any better and a majority of the fans would view the movie in support of the Dragonball franchise as a whole. If you appease the fans you're solidifying the fanbase support for the film, but instead it's now divided more than it would have been. I just do not understand the decision in the morbid alterations of which the result is as of now.

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