Opinion of Sabat?

[Rocketman]

I found that to be silly as well. Funi giving the notion that Trunks was still alive after been hit like that.

Well, Piccolo was after a similar hit from Freeza. So was Goku back in the 23rd Budokai.

[Raki]

I found that to be silly as well. Funi giving the notion that Trunks was still alive after been hit like that.

Well, Piccolo was after a similar hit from Freeza. So was Goku back in the 23rd Budokai.

Goku got hit in the shoulder, and on first glance it did appear as Freeza killed Piccolo. The extra dialogue from Funi didn't really help at all on the Trunks' scene.

[SSJ2bardock]

I found that to be silly as well. Funi giving the notion that Trunks was still alive after been hit like that.

Well, Piccolo was after a similar hit from Freeza. So was Goku back in the 23rd Budokai.

Goku got hit in the shoulder, and on first glance it did appear as Freeza killed Piccolo. The extra dialogue from Funi didn't really help at all on the Trunks' scene.

Is it really that big of a problem?

[Raki]

Well, Piccolo was after a similar hit from Freeza. So was Goku back in the 23rd Budokai.

Goku got hit in the shoulder, and on first glance it did appear as Freeza killed Piccolo. The extra dialogue from Funi didn't really help at all on the Trunks' scene.

Is it really that big of a problem?

Yep. The guy just got killed, no need to soften the scene at all.

[SSJ2bardock]

Goku got hit in the shoulder, and on first glance it did appear as Freeza killed Piccolo. The extra dialogue from Funi didn't really help at all on the Trunks' scene.

Is it really that big of a problem?

Yep. The guy just got killed, no need to soften the scene at all.

Ohhhhh I always thought he was still alive at that point and died later on.

[Tsukento]

Well, Piccolo was after a similar hit from Freeza. So was Goku back in the 23rd Budokai.

The Japanese version presented the idea that Piccolo may have been killed before discovery that he was still barely alive. Not to mention, Piccolo was beamed on the opposite side of where his heart is located.

Trunks, on the other hand, got a full on beam right through the chest. Think in terms of how Kuririn shot a hole through Vegeta's gut on Namek, only targeted for Trunks' chest and coming from a far stronger opponent. There was no original possibility that he might have lived. There was no any actual movement except for coughing up blood just before dying. There wasn't even any actual dialogue from Kuririn at this point. It just made the scene seem like another "Wait, I can see their parachutes. They're okay." coverup.

[TheMajinRedComet]

I like Funi's melodramatic Vegeta more then the Japanese, spontaneous Vegeta.
In my opinion it is fun to hear what the characters are thinking, but that might be because I am a comic book fan.

I really like Chris Sabat as a voice actor, some times they just do not give him the right roles, but that happens with everyone once in a while.

[jjgp1112]

Some of this talk about the Japanese music reminds me of the scene where Cell powers up against SSJ2 Gohan. During the Japanese version, the composers must've been high, because they put in the most peaceful song possible, even though the earth was violently shaking and Cell was powering up to his maximum power. Meanwhile, the dub played that, "Bad things happening" -type music that fit a lot more.

And thank you SSJ2Bardock, somebody finally said it: DBZ is nowhere near as deep as some of you guys describe it. It's a pure action anime.

[MajinVejitaXV]

And thank you SSJ2Bardock, somebody finally said it: DBZ is nowhere near as deep as some of you guys describe it. It's a pure action anime.

Agreed. I love the heart-pumping adrenaline from the scene with Goku opting to stay dead after the Cell Games.

Pure. Action.

-Corey

[Raki]

And thank you SSJ2Bardock, somebody finally said it: DBZ is nowhere near as deep as some of you guys describe it. It's a pure action anime.

Agreed. I love the heart-pumping adrenaline from the scene with Goku opting to stay dead after the Cell Games.

Pure. Action.

-Corey

That scene along with the music almost made me cry.

[Super Sonic]

Some of this talk about the Japanese music reminds me of the scene where Cell powers up against SSJ2 Gohan. During the Japanese version, the composers must've been high, because they put in the most peaceful song possible, even though the earth was violently shaking and Cell was powering up to his maximum power. Meanwhile, the dub played that, "Bad things happening" -type music that fit a lot more.

It was similar with the Street Fighter II animated movie. Japanese has fight scene between Ryu, Ken, and Bison with a happy pop song. One of the greatest final showdown battles in an anime to a happy pop song. The dub, makes it such a great scene with its rock music playing.

[SSJ2bardock]

And thank you SSJ2Bardock, somebody finally said it: DBZ is nowhere near as deep as some of you guys describe it. It's a pure action anime.

Agreed. I love the heart-pumping adrenaline from the scene with Goku opting to stay dead after the Cell Games.

Pure. Action.

-Corey

What is your point? Since he described it as an Action anime it can't have anything else in it?

In the movie Bruce Almighty Jim Carrey's character had a romantic side so does that mean it isn't a comedy anymore?

Just because there are sentimental moments in DBZ doesn't mean it's not an Action anime.

-edit- I didn't realize he said "pure" action anime, my bad.

[Tatsunoboshi Horoko]

What is your point? Since he described it as an Action anime it can't have anything else in it?

Well, he described it as a "pure" action anime, though. And, usually, anything that's "pure" is usually devoid of all other things except one specific thing. That's most likely what he was finding fault with.

However, whenever I hear about somber music not fitting some action scenes it always brings me back to this video of someone trying to make the last battle of the first Hokuto no Ken series "moar serius gaiz." Somber music can help set the mood in some situations just like moments of silence can in others.

[caejones]

Dead Trunks: The way FUNi handled it... Hmm. It just seemed kind of arbitrary to kill off the one character that hasn't been wished back right at the end of the fight (so he was dead for what, an hour?); the only thing accomplished there was moving Vegeta to do something for a reason other than "DAMN YOU KAKAROTTOOO!". That said, though, I think the dub actually made it more depressing, in that instead of a random death, it was like people were trying to do something ("No more senzu! Yeah, thanks for giving one to Cell, Goku..."), but it was all in vain... Compare to most deaths before that; the Saiyan/Freeza saga deaths were more "We are just that outmatched...", whereas everyone had been holding out in the Cell arc, even when there was still an obvious imbalance of power. Whereas Trunks was the first time it seemed like anyone could really try to save anyone from a mortal wound... except they really couldn't. ... I'm not articulating this well at all... T_T.

Pure Action?
dadadada "Makafushigi adabenchaa!" / "Mystical Adventure!"
Pilaf saga = Adventure easily overtakes action.
Tournaments = Action.
Red Ribbon = I'd give the edge to adventure here, although there's more action than with Pilaf.
Piccolo = Umm... Drama.
Saiyans = Very much action.
Namek = Adventure, though overtaken by action (particularly at the arrival of the Ginyu Force).
Cell = Sort of in the same vein as the Namek arc, though it starts out going toward action and then gets more strategy questful after Trunks comes back.
Buu = I don't even want to try and define this. But if we must, action is pretty prevalent.

Well, we've once again got me thinking about DBZ adventure/RPG games. Umm...
(The original score? What I've heard of it tends to be ok, though a few moments are rather odd, such as Goku and Gohan in the RoSaT, and parts of the fight with Kid Buu.... but yeah, Unmei no hii (Am I even spelling that right? ) makes up for that for me. ).

... Well, there is something else about the dub voices that I sorta sense... I mean... the acting in the FUNi dub sometimes makes it ... Hmm. Like, the standards for amature VAs who get started immitating anime voices (Yeah, icky topic in itself...) may well consider themselves decent by comparison to ... *scratch*.
Yeah. Whether or not the voices actually work (And Sabbat, I don't think I can target specifically, but since he does play like half the characters, a lot of it probably falls on him)... the bar is set low in terms of talent. (I can't really comment on the Japanese cast's talents, mostly because I don't typically have casual Japanese speaking to compare it to on hand... XD ). Although Masako Nozawa's commented on the popularity of Voiceacting as a career without actual acting being a little ... hmm... issue of sorts?, so I suppose Japan is not immune.

[Rocketman]

It just made the scene seem like another "Wait, I can see their parachutes. They're okay." coverup.

While I don't doubt that was the intent, the precedent from Piccolo (and 23rd Budokai Goku) makes it less of "I can see their parachutes" and more "the last two times they were shot down, they ejected safely so it's more of a bit o' stretching than a whole cloth thing. (woo, nearly 4 am ramblin', hope I'm makin' sense)


This bugged me, though:

Not to mention, Piccolo was beamed on the opposite side of where his heart is located.

The heart sits in the center of the chest.

[Acid_Reign]

The heart sits in the center of the chest.

Well, who really knows what Namekian anatomy is like on the inside?

[caejones]

The heart sits in the center of the chest.

Well, who really knows what Namekian anatomy is like on the inside?

Maybe Freeza Dissected one?

[jjgp1112]

Now, here's a great post on Sean Schemmel that I found on IGN:

Actually, he doesn't look like one at all. He's extremely fit actually.

He's not a "band nerd." He just played lots of brass instruments through college and stuff. There's a lot more to playing instruments than being a band geek. Plus, I'm glad he did because he's really good with his voice and has an awesome range and because of the stamina he built, he's able to scream for extended periods of time. He's taught classes on breathing, and even a few sessions on correct and "safe" ways of screaming. Sean Schemmel is an amazing voice actor, an awesome actor at that (which I can't say about many anime voice actors), and he's even made the transition back and forth from anime and american cartoons, which is pretty damn awesome. He's extremely talented, and overall a really nice and hilarious person. He's also a huge inspiration to me, and, had it not been for him and Chris Sabat, I might not even be considering pursuing my dream of becoming a voice actor. They have really inspired me to realize it can be a reality - it's not impossible.

So all you guys who think he sucks can take it deep. He's also a huge fan of Masako Nozawa and really admires her work.

You can't even really compare the Japanese and American. It's stupid when fans get mad because they don't sound like the original. They shouldn't! It's a completely different language and, with their language, they make sounds that Americans just can't. It wouldn't sound right. An actor should look at a character and interpret it in their own perspective, not trying to sound like any previous performance.

And another one by him:

That's their character that you're talking about though, not the voice. Would you want Vegeta not to sound gruff and angry? In my opinion, I think Bulma's voice actor is very unique. There is this one female voice that seems to be in every anime. It is the quintessential anime girl voice, but Bulma's is different from that. I'm not saying she's shattering the mold, but I think she definitely does a great job.

Yamcha's is very fitting in my opinion - he can be very worried about his own safety and freak out over girls, but also be very serious and badass at times.

Piccolo's voice is perfect... flat out perfect.

Roshi? How can you not love Mike McFarland's Roshi?? It's so hilarious! I think that fits the character wonderfully, and when he's being very serious and wise, I love it as well. Though one of my favorite Roshi moments when Tien flew off to fend off Cell and Roshi says (in all seriousness) "Aw, poopy..." and then goes on about when he remembers when he could keep up with them lol. Aw poopy? Who approved taht? laugh But I loved it.

Vegeta's voice became much deeper in the buu saga and the redubs. I still love it, but when Sabat was younger it was just perfect. I friggin LOVE that voice. I could listen Bruce Faulconer's SSJ Vegeta theme and Vegeta screaming for 10 episodes.

What's the problem with Cell sounding arrogant...? ..he's extremely arrogant. There were few times when I thought a voice was unfitting with Funimation's dub, and Cell was not one of them. I was extremely impressed that one guy did all of the voices of Cell and I really appreciated Cell perfect form. It was a little feminine looking, much cleaner in a creepy way. The voice was very calm and not as strained as the previous 2 and fit well with his extreme change.

Every one of these voices are very distinct and unique to me and I'd recognize them anywhere. The "caricatures" you mentioned, MoR, is just in their character's sterotype. It has nothing to do with the voice. Their voice actor just goes along with that character that AT created.

[bkev]

That first post is AWESOME. It just reminds me how cool a guy Schemmel is.

[The Tori-bot]

That first post is AWESOME. It just reminds me how cool a guy Schemmel is.

Yes, indeed. Why, in fact, you could infer that Schemmel is...




A pretty cool guy.