Dragon Ball GT: Season 1 Discussion

Levlik · Post by **Levlik** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 2:16 am

TheMajinRedComet wrote:I do not know where you guys are getting all the evidence that this releases video quality is worse then the last one from. All I have seen is one image on this thread from this set.

If someone wants to make screencaps of anything from episodes 1 to 34, be they from the singles or Dragonbox, I'll be happy to post comparision shots.

Zenkai Power · Post by **Zenkai Power** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 2:49 am

Ex-Dubbie369 wrote:
Tsukento wrote:Here's that original instrumental + dub opening mix I promised.

Had to go ahead and actually use the second animation from later episodes rather than the first episodes it appears in. For whatever reason, the quality of the intro was horribly close to VHS quality in the late 20s and 30s compared to the 60s (I used episode 64's opening credits).
God, that sounds so much better. The original version just sounded so much fuller than this one. Mignogna's vocals sound better because of it.

The only nitpick is that the English version is a ittty bitty bit sharper than the Japanese version. (Or, you could say the Japanese one is flatter than the English one )

Exactly. The muscians Funi have performing it are obviously not as talented... or the way they recorded it was not as professional. I write music and it really really bothers me they didn't put in that downscale guitar lick which is a very very important part to the song. How hard would it be to just play that a few times over the multitrack?

If you're gonna do it, do it right ya know?

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 2:56 am

Captain Awesome wrote:Just finished listening to it, phenomenal job, definitely a step up.

Mind doing the ending songs now? (I believe they had karaoke versions, but I'm no expert)

In due time. :p

Although I'd have to rip karaoke versions of endings 2, 3 and 4 elsewhere because they sure as hell aren't on the Dragon Box. >< The last disc only offers creditless versions of the first animated versions of the opening and Hitori Ja Nai, along with karaoke versions of just those two.

Levlik wrote:If someone wants to make screencaps of anything from episodes 1 to 34, be they from the singles or Dragonbox, I'll be happy to post comparision shots.

I can do Dragon Box.

Vegard Aune · Post by **Vegard Aune** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:46 am

Tsukento wrote:Not true. GT's logo is entirely different. The font for "Dragon Ball" is different from the original, and the GT is still part of that stupid attempt at making GT hardcore. It's a metallic font with tears and what not inside of it and it looks really awkward compared to the non-digital animation and what's in the opening.

One Piece's title was merely just gold being added to the title with the Luffy-shaped I being turned into a normal I.

Yeah, you're right, but I didn't notice any of the other changes. And really, the One Piece-logo is still more heavily altered, as it has the same kind of changes as the GT-logo, (That being, a different font and an added texture to the letters) but in One Piece, one would really see the difference instantly, which is not quite the case here, seeing how I only noticed the texture-change at first before you specifically pointed out the other changes.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:16 am

Now that we are at 14 pages, it's getting a little daunting for me to catch up on everything I've missed

Would I be able to get a bit of help in breaking down all of the new information about this set? New things, things removed, other stuffage? Here's what I think I've been able to accurately gather:

- Episodes 1-32(?) (correctly numbered; no more "Lost Episodes" nonsense)
- Audio tracks: English dub w/ Japanese score, English dub TV broadcast track (Menza score), original Japanese
- OP, ED1, ED2 included on English tracks as new English versions of original Japanese songs
- Both English dub tracks play with English versions of original Japanese theme songs
- The newly dubbed songs do not use the original Japanese instrumentation
- "Step Into The Grand Tour" is gone...?
- English dub tracks all use "Hercule" (whereas original DVD release used "Mr. Satan")
- Eye-catch is visually cut to match the English music instead of the (proper) reverse way
- Next-episode previews are removed (whereas original DVD releases had them)
- Full screen presentation
- Opening credits have Japanese production crew listed
- Original DBGT logo is gone, replaced solely with FUNimation's
- Japanese title cards are gone, replaced solely with FUNimation's dub title cards (no alternate angles)
- Extras confirm that DBGT TV SP will be on the second box set

Now for my questions for you all to answer:

- How many discs, again? Five?
- What is the packaging style? Same as the DBZ TV season sets?
- It's clearly not a "remaster" in the same style as the DBZ TV season sets, and as far as I can tell, it's mostly just another rushed clean-up job with a new encode from the same (digi-beta) masters they've had all along? Blurring issues seem to be the biggest complaint.
- Interlaced, or did they somehow get it back to progressive?

What am I missing?

Haseowolf · Post by **Haseowolf** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:31 am

I believe I heard they changed it to 34 episodes to make the box art actually make sense, also probably to balance out that season two contains "A Hero's Legacy."

Other than that, I think you've got it.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:26 pm

Vegard Aune wrote:One Piece's title was merely just gold being added to the title with the Luffy-shaped I being turned into a normal I.

Yeah, you're right, but I didn't notice any of the other changes. And really, the One Piece-logo is still more heavily altered, as it has the same kind of changes as the GT-logo, (That being, a different font and an added texture to the letters) but in One Piece, one would really see the difference instantly, which is not quite the case here, seeing how I only noticed the texture-change at first before you specifically pointed out the other changes.[/quote]
Interestingly, the logo change for One Piece came at the introduction of Jaya, where the idea of a Sky Island and City of Gold came around. And pirates are always lookin' for gold. The only real noticeable difference with One Piece's logo is the gold font and missing Luffy-shaped I. It's still very much the same font style, kept the skull-shaped O and style.

Dragon Ball GT's logo is a complete makeover.

VegettoEX wrote: - "Step Into The Grand Tour" is gone...?
- English dub tracks all use "Hercule" (whereas original DVD release used "Mr. Satan")

Now for my questions for you all to answer:

- What is the packaging style? Same as the DBZ TV season sets?

What am I missing?

I can answer some of these.

-Step into the Grand Tour is gone. Similar to DBZ's dub w/ English music, you don't get the old dub intro.

-All mentions of Mr. Satan's name are indeed changed to Hercule, although all visuals referring to Mr. Satan by name are still kept.

-The packaging is indeed the same as DBZ's.

Levlik · Post by **Levlik** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:38 pm

Well, I just got a PM asking for the spinal image and it's basically Funi's GT logo sideways:

disturbed001 · Post by **disturbed001** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:42 pm

Levlik wrote:Well, I just got a PM asking for the spinal image and it's basically Funi's GT logo sideways:

Haha, yeah that was me... sorry, I just was way too curious and I couldn't wait. Kinda weird that you are going to have "Dragon Ball Z" regular next to "Dragon Ball GT" Sideways. No that they had I choice I guess.

SSJ4FatGogeta · Post by **SSJ4FatGogeta** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:52 pm

Tsukento wrote: 1) New. Hence why we're making such a big deal out of it.
2) Yes.
3) Yes. They did.
4) Quite a lot. o_O FUNi's been doing this for quite a long time. The problem was that the only Dragon Ball franchise they did this with until now was the original Dragon Ball.
5) Yes. None of that "Lost Episode" nonsense.

The answer to #5 is unclear to me. All of the episodes are included with original numbering, but is the silly recap first episode available in the "original broadcast version" or is FUNi trying to forget that as well as "Step Into the Grand Tour?"
I'm just curious. I'm so glad about the new songs, I'll just buy these sets for those! Also, I don't own any single DVD's already, so I need the series in some form.

EDIT: I wanted to add this, so that this post would have all the songs in it!

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:55 pm

Original episode number ordering, only one viewing angle, so no recap episode.

SSJ4FatGogeta · Post by **SSJ4FatGogeta** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 2:03 pm

Awesome. I got it now. Sorry for requiring further explanation!

Vegard Aune · Post by **Vegard Aune** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:04 pm

I don't believe anything has been said about this yet, so... Do the extras contain creditless endings? Oh, and here's one thing about the opening that bothers me more than the logo: How incredibly off the colors are. Just compare the FUNi-video with the Dragonbox one. I mean, screencaps show that the actual episodes look fine, but still...

Oddish · Post by **Oddish** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:38 pm

So, in terms of video, is it better to pick up this, or the previous DVD releases? Is the blur really, really bad?

Oh, also, are the Japanese versions of Dan Dan and all that included? As soul-rippingly awesome as the English covers are... it just seems so FUNimation to omit the Japanese themes.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:11 pm

So far, it looks like the "remastering" wasn't necessary considering their methods of removing grain involves adding blur filters. The single DVDs had decent quality (better than Z's).

Regarding the opening, it should be noted that the openings all vary between episodes and even the creditless versions. I can count about three versions of the first animation opening of various qualities on my Dragon Box in regards to two regular (one being creditless) and one instrumental.

As I brought up earlier, the quality of the second animation to the intro also varies in episodes. In episode 27, the opening looks like it got pulled from a VHS tape. In episode 64, the opening looks absolutely fantastic.

And no, the Japanese version is NOT missing. You can still hear it by switching to the Japanese audio. What is missing from the Japanese version are the logo and title cards.

Haseowolf · Post by **Haseowolf** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:14 pm

Don't forget about taking the higher bit rate of the recent season box release.

Really, I like to think that I'm good at picking up on these visual types of things, but the blur is hardly noticeable. Maybe its really easy to spot while in motion?

kusakun004 · Post by **kusakun004** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:33 pm

Has anybody posted the videos for the ending themes yet? I am wondering if the Japanese staff was credited at all or if it was the same every episode.

Brakus · Post by **Brakus** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:50 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
Brakus wrote:People here seem to forget that the Japanese have to approve what gets released here before it goes on the market. I would think Toei has an interest in protecting its product... FUNi's releases of anything Dragon Ball releated is R1/R2/R4; since Japan is R2, Toei wanted to minimize any reverse importing that could happen, which is probably why Toei didn't give FUNimation Dragon Box footage, or even the next episode preview footage to the DVDs as well.
Nein. First off, if the word is to be trusted, the Spanish "remastered" DVD's are DragonBox-based and Region 2 as well and therefore could be reverse imported. Granted, they're PAL, but the region is the same.

But it's PAL, not NTSC. That's probably the primary reason why the Spain "remastered" DVDs use Dragon Box footage. And whose word are we trusting here?

Second, I think you're taking the "Japanese have to approve" angle a bit too literally. Every time FUNimation wants to do a release, they don't have to fly in an executive from Toei and screen it for him.

That is of course not what I meant; after all, we have the Internet now, and FUNi could just e-mail/fax/courier whatever things are being done to the product to them. Toei (as with any other Japanese production company) needs to know what is being changed, and if they don't approve, they can't do it.

There are stipulations in their contract that dictate what they can and cannot do as licensee of the series. The uber-literal interpretation you're presenting was born as a means of people poorly trying to excuse FUNimation's half-ass mistakes (bad coverart, widescreen, etc.).

Then how do you explain One Piece's releases the first time around by 4Kids? Their changes were approved by the Japanese also. Do you really think Toei/Shueisha/Fuji TV had prohibited 4Kids to make the changes to One Piece the first time around? FUNimation isn't immune to mistakes being made to the Japanese's product, you know.

Yes, there's stuff in the contract that FUNi has to abide by. It's stuff that may not already be in the contract that they'd have to get approval for. And think about it, if the Japanese didn't let FUNi do certain things with its product, they wouldn't be there in the first place.

Aside from that, as stated, FUNimation's mistakes here just seem...well, half-ass. Still. Not earth shattering or deal breaking, just...dumb.

But I'm still going to buy the DVDs, warts and all. As will others, I'm sure. The general public is not as exacting as most of the people here on this forum. Whatever reflection you have of the general public because of it is yours alone.

Brakus · Post by **Brakus** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:04 pm

Tsukento wrote:Here's that original instrumental + dub opening mix I promised.

Had to go ahead and actually use the second animation from later episodes rather than the first episodes it appears in. For whatever reason, the quality of the intro was horribly close to VHS quality in the late 20s and 30s compared to the 60s (I used episode 64's opening credits).

Wow, with that re-edit you did, it makes the opening much more tolerable. Even with Vic's singing. Nice work!

Oddish · Post by **Oddish** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:11 pm

I think I really want this release. I've become addicted to that opening theme, and it's way cheaper than getting the singles.

Although, anyone know any decent (read: cheap) places to get it for Europeans? Preferably somewhere UK-based, so import tax wouldn't rape me.

Kanzenshuu

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