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Post by SSJ2bardock » Sat Dec 20, 2008 3:39 pm

Alas, I have returned with well thought out responses! (Well sort of)

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Tweaker wrote:What makes this a spam thread? This board simply lacks a "General Discussion" section, and the topic was marginally related to Dragon Ball through her inability to obtain the figures she wanted.

Geez, not that hard to figure out. o_O
I dunno if it was "marginally" related, I mean it was about the fact that Angolz seem to take weeks to ship, very specifically, Dragonball figures, but I think you get the point.
But that's problem, I didn't get the point. Couldn't this have been much better off if you had said something like "Is anyone else having shipping issues?" in your first post, it was just sort of like a yada yada yada and nothing else.
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SSJ2bardock wrote:Yes it was marginally Dragonball related, but it lacked a purpose or a question. It was sort just like "Hey, this happened to me today....." which has no point at all.
Being social? Whenever anything happens to us, should we just keep it to ourselves? That attitudes really what's wrong with modern society, people should communicate more about their ups and downs instead of random crap like the weather. This board nitpicks way too much...
But this is not the place to banter about your "ups and downs", which on this forum is just as random as the weather. This is a Dragonball forum, not a place to discuss your daily life because quite frankly, I don't think too many people care.

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Post by Rena Rune » Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:22 pm

You do realise being a total and utter prick is a lot more off topic than talking about Dragonball toys I couldn't get on a Dragonball forum, don't you?

You know if you don't like someone talking about their "ups and downs", then don't reply. It's much better than being a cock and acting like you're somehow cleaning up the board by doing so.

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Post by VegettoEX » Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:29 pm

Rena Rune wrote:You do realise being a total and utter prick is a lot more off topic than talking about Dragonball toys I couldn't get on a Dragonball forum, don't you?

You know if you don't like someone talking about their "ups and downs", then don't reply. It's much better than being a cock and acting like you're somehow cleaning up the board by doing so.
You know, being extremely rude toward everyone else really isn't helping any case you try to make.

I do agree with the following:
SSJ2bardock wrote:But that's problem, I didn't get the point. Couldn't this have been much better off if you had said something like "Is anyone else having shipping issues?" in your first post, it was just sort of like a yada yada yada and nothing else.
I completely didn't get the point of the thread, either. It honestly just seemed like, "Oh hey guys, here's some crap I'm going through". Being that we don't allow general off-topic conversation on this forum, that alone seems pretty obvious to me.

It's not until you started getting defensive and in the midst of all the name-calling that you clarified what you were actually getting at, and how it was related to the topic at hand for this forum.
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Rena Rune wrote: This board nitpicks way too much...
Yet you still decide to be an active part of the community and insist on bitching.
I share the same wonderings.
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Post by Rena Rune » Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:38 pm

VegettoEX wrote:
Rena Rune wrote:You do realise being a total and utter prick is a lot more off topic than talking about Dragonball toys I couldn't get on a Dragonball forum, don't you?

You know if you don't like someone talking about their "ups and downs", then don't reply. It's much better than being a cock and acting like you're somehow cleaning up the board by doing so.
You know, being extremely rude toward everyone else really isn't helping any case you try to make.

I do agree with the following:
SSJ2bardock wrote:But that's problem, I didn't get the point. Couldn't this have been much better off if you had said something like "Is anyone else having shipping issues?" in your first post, it was just sort of like a yada yada yada and nothing else.
I completely didn't get the point of the thread, either. It honestly just seemed like, "Oh hey guys, here's some crap I'm going through". Being that we don't allow general off-topic conversation on this forum, that alone seems pretty obvious to me.

It's not until you started getting defensive and in the midst of all the name-calling that you clarified what you were actually getting at, and how it was related to the topic at hand for this forum.
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Rena Rune wrote: This board nitpicks way too much...
Yet you still decide to be an active part of the community and insist on bitching.
I share the same wonderings.
Yes, because it's okay for other people to be rude to me. As long as they're doing on the sides of what sort of is close to the rules kind of, it's perfectly justified. I'm almost never in any way abusive to someone until they are somehow abusive, elitist or bigoted to begin with.

Agreeing with that last comment is extremely rude in of itself. It was mean spirited. Agreeing with a mean spirited remark is just ganging up with a bully. Unless on the off chance you're autistic, it's not normal social behaviour for someone to jump in agreeing with the person being a prick just because they agree with them.

Despite you and a few others being unforgivably arrogant, I stayed because there were SOME people worth staying for. I'm not hanging around because I don't mind this being your board after all.

Unless you have severe social difficulties you should see how unfriendly some people are being. "What's it to us" is the kind of BS you'd expect from an anonymous *chan forum. You don't seem to be capable of any level of empathy, and I don't mean that as an insult. In the other thread you showed a lack of ability to see other people's reasoning or even understand why they were upset. If you are autistic you should consult someone who is very empathic before making these kind of comments which just come off as ganging up on someone.

Eitherway this is a crappy way to treat a new member. This thread was on topic. I was already upset as is, yet people felt the need to make it worse, because apparently a very strict level of being on topic when there isn't even a fucking off topic board is more important than not making someone feel shittier. Sometimes people have very big problems and small things can be important to them - it's best to be sensitive.

At the end of the day this is going to reflect badly on the forum because people aren't going to come if people are this unfriendly and the fucking admin of all people encourages them.

Now this thread IS off topic, it could have been about DB related Christmas presents or mishaps. When an admin is harming rather than helping a discussion, maybe it's time he reassess his actions for once.

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Post by Tweaker » Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:49 pm

To add to the general sentiment of this thread, I don't see how it's at all relevant to this thread or any post Rena makes, for that matter, to bring up any board-related complaints she has. Okay, she has a problem with word filters or whatever--how does that make this topic any less valid? How does that justify being complete dicks in lieu of trying to be sympathetic, helpful, or even add some sort of purpose in this topic? There's a difference between confusion and dickery, and I'm pretty shocked to see how much of this community is dipping into the latter.

I respect this board for being respectful. Let's not throw that to the side, dudes. It's not cool. :(

So let's think of the things we can talk about there:

- Hybrid Figures; difficulty in obtaining them?
- Difficulties anyone else has had with shipping Dragon Ball merchandise?
- Overall qualms with product shipping?

I mean, that's three points right there, each of which are more interesting and productive to talk about than bitching about how you don't understand the topic. There's no reason for this topic to be as deep in the hole as it is--let's turn it around. :)

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Post by Rena Rune » Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:52 pm

Thank you. I hate the idea that people need to be handed what to say on a platter, people should be at least socially intelligent enough to let a conversation flow from any point, but it had to be done.

If you're not going to show your sympathies(now it sounds ridiculous) or talk about something relevant to Dragonball figures and sites that stock them, then it'd be best to give this a miss. I mean where else was I going to post this thread, really. Socialising is about not keeping everything to yourself.

Anyway the figures I'm not getting in time for Xmas are Hybrid Son Goku, Super Vegeta, Piccolo, and Perfect Cell. I'm hoping I might see some in Forbidden Planet, maybe they'll have Trunks, or Gohan, or Buu or SSJ4 Goku.

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Post by VegettoEX » Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:56 pm

I'm not saying that everyone else is being completely just (I actually don't even understand some of the responses... what, with all the irrelevant images, and all...). However, at the same time, the only comments that have crossed the line into childish name-calling ("total and utter prick" and a derogatory use of "autistic" to try and prove social competence) are coming from... well... only a single person.

People asked what the point was, you got upset, somehow managed to clarify those concerns, but ramped it up and caused an unnecessary scene.

It seems like every time you don't get your way or have problems expressing yourself, you stammer you feet and play the abused, red-headed stepchild going on a crusade against the establishment. It lost its cuteness a long time ago, and you have somehow already made a caricature of yourself that others are emotionally responding to.

I'd love for the thread to be on-topic, but like others said, we couldn't tell what the topic was. Now that you and others have delved in and realized that you're trying to express disgust that a certain provider isn't getting your items to you on-time, that's great. Discuss away.

On a side note, we don't have an off-topic board because of all the problems I have seen off-topics boards provide over... well... longer than some people here have been alive, nevermind posting on the internet. We've had a couple threads about it over the years; here's a real short one from 2005 that sums it up, though.
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Post by Rena Rune » Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:23 pm

It seems like every time you don't get your way or have problems expressing yourself, you stammer you feet and play the abused, red-headed stepchild going on a crusade against the establishment. It lost its cuteness a long time ago, and you have somehow already made a caricature of yourself that others are emotionally responding to.
Excuse me. You are completely and utterly uncompromising. Quite frankly, how dare you call ME a child when you only seem to accept things going your way, ever. Nowhere in the other thread did you show a smidgeon of compromising with the other side, the same in this thread, and with regards your paltry reasoning for not having an off topic forum.

What you say, goes. Real adults don't act like this, they communicate with others and try and reach a solution taking both sides into account.

The difference between you and me, aside from me being a much fairer person, is that you simply are in a position where you don't need to stamp your feet and complain about "the establishment". Why does "The establishment" have any meaning here? You're not competent enough as an admin to be taken seriously. You can't even run an off topic board! It may be YOUR forum, but you can't OWN the social structure that's grown up on your forum - you should be thankful you have anyone bothering to go to your forum, you wouldn't have one without them.

YOU are at fault here. It is only proper to raise some noise when someone is acting this immaturely. The problem is you rather shallowly equate maturity to be the way someone talks, and how much they keep to the rules. Neither of these things, I assure you, are a basis for maturity. Just because I may come off as more abrasive, and you sound authoritive, does not change the fact that you lack a basic respect for other people's viewpoints. I may not have much respect for yours but I've EXPLAINED why instead of ultimately falling back on circular reasoning like you do.

Writing off disobedience as immaturity is immature in of itself. It's a simple solution to say that the other person in an argument is being childish and base your entire argument off that.

Either way, if an off topic board isn't working; it's because you aren't running it right. Same as any kind of forum.
This is a community for readers of the website and fans to come and discuss various things that are covered on this website. These topics happen to include DragonBall and anime music videos.

This website does not cover other things, and therefore we do not discuss them.

In general practice, forums that have "off-topic" sections always have those grow to be the main focus of gathering and conversation, far exceeding the actual, original intent of the forum. This also fosters an environment where structure is less important than people being idiots for the sake of being idiots for the sake of attention for the sake of they're complete dolts.

That's not what Daizenshuu EX is about, and we will never have that kind of community.
You really are an uncompromising man. You don't listen to anyone but youself. The minute you open up your forum to the public, you're going to set up many relationships that should be honoured instead of spat upon. Nobody can force you, but that's the true test of how good a man you are.

I repeat, this is no way to treat a new member, or any member in fact. Once again this thread is off topic, which is more your fault than mine.

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Post by Rena Rune » Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:34 pm

These are the super friendly helpful comments I got before I even reacted to anyone.
Um... I'm sorry?
What was the point of this thread?
No seriously, what is the point of this thread...
A troll, spam, etc. thread.
(Just for the record, I didn't say it was spam)

Yes it was marginally Dragonball related, but it lacked a purpose or a question. It was sort just like "Hey, this happened to me today....." which has no point at all.
Yes, Innagadavida, I'm one of your "assholes".

But I agree with SSj2bardock, if your stuff won't arrive in time, what's it to us.
Note that these threads ARE spam and ARE off topic, and are borderline insulting in places.

Then scroll up to the top of this. Of course I'm sure the answer will be "I don't see a problem", with no reasoning to back it.

If things are going to keep on like this, I better just find another Dragonball forum(but not before I try to set things straight here). It's tough to find a mature dragonball forum, thus my reluctance to leave because at least SOME people here have a mental age of over 6, so if anyone has any suggestions to PM me, if it's a good forum I won't have any troubles.

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Post by MajinVejitaXV » Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:55 pm

Rena Rune wrote:Unless you have severe social difficulties you should see how unfriendly some people are being. "What's it to us" is the kind of BS you'd expect from an anonymous *chan forum. You don't seem to be capable of any level of empathy, and I don't mean that as an insult. In the other thread you showed a lack of ability to see other people's reasoning or even understand why they were upset. If you are autistic you should consult someone who is very empathic before making these kind of comments which just come off as ganging up on someone.
A.) Your comments about 4chan and the like are amusing as hell, given your non-stop usage of their terms (read: "weaboo").

B.) Mentioning a condition like autism in this manner is asinine. Simply because you opened a thread that left people scratching their heads and then got angry because of this doesn't mean we're all dicks/retards/autistic/whatever.

Honestly, instead of coming into this community and trying to make contributions and be a useful member, you seem to be intent on insulting the members here and the staff right out of the gate. Then you bitch and moan that things aren't tailored to your liking and that people are being "unhelpful."

You seem to have no concept of how social interaction works and seem to have a fairly negative biased opinion of the people here. Perhaps you should rethink whether you want to be a member of this community. After all, for years people have posted here from all over the world and I've rarely if ever seen someone as argumentative for the sake of arguing as you have been.

On topic, my apologies for your difficulties in getting your figures.

-Corey

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Post by Rena Rune » Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:04 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
Rena Rune wrote:Unless you have severe social difficulties you should see how unfriendly some people are being. "What's it to us" is the kind of BS you'd expect from an anonymous *chan forum. You don't seem to be capable of any level of empathy, and I don't mean that as an insult. In the other thread you showed a lack of ability to see other people's reasoning or even understand why they were upset. If you are autistic you should consult someone who is very empathic before making these kind of comments which just come off as ganging up on someone.
A.) Your comments about 4chan and the like are amusing as hell, given your non-stop usage of their terms (read: "weaboo").

B.) Mentioning a condition like autism in this manner is asinine. Simply because you opened a thread that left people scratching their heads and then got angry because of this doesn't mean we're all dicks/retards/autistic/whatever.

Honestly, instead of coming into this community and trying to make contributions and be a useful member, you seem to be intent on insulting the members here and the staff right out of the gate. Then you bitch and moan that things aren't tailored to your liking and that people are being "unhelpful."

You seem to have no concept of how social interaction works and seem to have a fairly negative biased opinion of the people here. Perhaps you should rethink whether you want to be a member of this community. After all, for years people have posted here from all over the world and I've rarely if ever seen someone as argumentative for the sake of arguing as you have been.

On topic, my apologies for your difficulties in getting your figures.

-Corey
I know enough about social interaction to know you gave yourself a pat on the back and felt all special for sucking up to the admins.

If you haven't noticed 90% of my posts have nothing to do with complaining about things here. My first complaint was regarding the insanity that was the Tien filter. Now, do you see most forums doing this? No. So at the very least it can be called into question. The second is the general unfriendliness of people here and the misplaced importance in a strict idea of what's "On Topic". Nobody, as of yet, has proved me wrong.

I honestly cannot think of any other explanation for VegettoEX's behaviour. I've worked with autisic people before, have aspergers myself, and I thought I recognised a pattern.

Do me a favour while you're at it. Read over your post. It contains no argument. You are in fact arguing for the sake of arguing. I argue over things that matter very much to me, not for the sake of a fight. If you're doing that too - given what you're arguing for you, it kind of makes you an asshole.

All you've said is "you have no idea how social interaction works", and other baseless remarks. You've taken things I've said, reversed them, but provided no reasoning as to how they apply to me and not you. When I said them, I explained why I thought that. Note how my post is notable longer than yours, and notice what exactly is different in terms of content.

"Aren't tailored to your liking". What a pathetic excuse for elitism and abrasiveness. Yet another clown using appeal to one's maturity in place of a real argument. Since you guys like rules so much; can we add one to this discussion? No mention of anyone's maturity, comparing someone to a TEEN REBEL, anything of that sort. It's just weighted terminology.

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Post by Chrono Trigger » Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:13 pm

Rena it's cool that you feel so strongly about all of this but I have to ask, do you honestly think you're going to change anybodies opinion? Honestly?
I completely respect your opinion, and I respect you. I enjoyed discussing this with you, even if I don't completely agree.

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Post by The Tori-bot » Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:22 pm

Rena Rune wrote:Unless you have severe social difficulties you should see how unfriendly some people are being. "What's it to us" is the kind of BS you'd expect from an anonymous *chan forum.
I'm hurt.

Nah, not really. Because I don't take offence in what a faceless sequence of words says on an Internet message board. (Not trying to be an ass, that's just the way my cookie crumbles, and I can understand if someone would be offended by something similar to the stuff going on here.)

Not to dig this hole any further, but we have no emotional connection to you. As I said, I sympathise (mabye I should un-tiny text-ify that while I'm here...), but what do you want us to say? This is your problem, and, as I think somebody has already said, if you had set this up as a thread on shipping problems and the like, and used your first post as an example, then there would have been no arguing and name-calling. It was just a kind of "This sucks, and it annoys me" post, so there wasn't really any discussion to be had. We feel sorry for you, but since we don't actually know you, you can't expect us to be that shook-up or much interested.

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Post by MajinVejitaXV » Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:25 pm

Rena Rune wrote:My first complaint was regarding the insanity that was the Tien filter.
Which you just bypassed. Notice there are no death squads at your door, nor are you banned or warned or anything else.
I've worked with autisic people before, have aspergers myself, and I thought I recognised a pattern.
Well, whoopty-fucking-doo. I've known people with AS too. We should start a club! We're special! >_<
"Aren't tailored to your liking". What a pathetic excuse for elitism and abrasiveness.
I agree completely. And that's why, personally, I think you're not worth the space your profile takes up on this server and the bandwith you consume.

I'm a member of this community and have been for years. I'm glad to be a member and I enjoy interacting with the people here. I feel your posts do nothing but bring the quality of this community down, albeit marginally as you're one member of a couple thousand. Your spin and bullshit is embarrassing and I'm going to treat you like any other child, by ignoring you until you lose interest and go away.

Goodbye.

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Post by Innagadadavida » Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:29 pm

This is quickly turning into T I E N 2.0.

Maybe we should just let it go. People who posted off-topic, including myself should just drop it. Rena Rune, it's too bad that people reacted the way they did, but sometimes you just need to let things go. You're building a reputation because of your hardcore defensiveness.

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Post by kei17 » Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:33 pm

I just think those who are adverse to the webmaster should immediately withdraw from the site and find the place you like.
There are many many DBZ related websites on the Internet and there's no reason to stay in one website you don't like.

Regarding this topic, Rena Rune, what you wrote first in this topic is not worth discussing and not even what we can discusss.

In 2ch, we have a buzzword realy fits this situation.
「ここはお前の日記帳じゃないんだ、チラシの裏にでも書いてろ、な?」 means, "Here's not your fucking diary, just write off such a thing on the under side of fliers, okay?"

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Post by MajinVejitaXV » Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:34 pm

kei17 wrote:I just think those who are adverse to the webmaster should immediately withdraw from the site and find the place you like.
There are many many DBZ related websites on the Internet and there's no reason to stay in one website you don't like.

Regarding this topic, Rena Rune, what you wrote first in this topic is not worth discussing and not even what we can discusss.

In 2ch, we have a buzzword realy fits this situation.
「ここはお前の日記帳じゃないんだ、チラシの裏にでも書いてろ、な?」 means, "Here's not your fucking diary, just write off such a thing on the under side of fliers, okay?"
This may be the best post in the history of the forum.

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Post by Raki » Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:49 pm

Rena Rune wrote:Excuse me. You are completely and utterly uncompromising.
You're not competent enough as an admin to be taken seriously. You can't even run an off topic board! It may be YOUR forum, but you can't OWN the social structure that's grown up on your forum - you should be thankful you have anyone bothering to go to your forum, you wouldn't have one without them.
This is his forum. When you e-sign the User Agreement, you agree to follow the rules of this forum. Not to mention the additional rules on the main site concerning the forum.

VegettoEX is one of the most respect men in the anime community. I think he's more than competent enough to run this forum. I'm sure if he wanted an off topic board, one would be here. But there is really no need for it being as people would talk about other stuff more and Dragonball would be left behind. People come back to Daizex cause they want to. Personally I like it here. Besides the Anime Network's forum, this is the most mature and well run in the anime community. Some anime sites and their forums are quite piss poor if you ask me. If you don't like, go to Funi's forum.
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Post by Kingdom Heartless » Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:59 pm

Oh yikes...
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Post by kei17 » Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:22 pm

Rena Rune wrote:You're not competent enough as an admin to be taken seriously. You can't even run an off topic board! It may be YOUR forum, but you can't OWN the social structure that's grown up on your forum - you should be thankful you have anyone bothering to go to your forum, you wouldn't have one without them.
It seems unfortunately that them does not includes you..
He can keep here thanks to his own effort and people who can observe the rules he set up.
To be frank, we don't need you here, the ego-driven.

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