Christmas blues :(

[Raki]

Empty your head, and fill it with dreams. Cha la, Head Cha la...SPARKING!

[SSJ2bardock]

Hey. I'm not gonna fight you over this anymore. Just let it go. Nobody really cares anymore.

I don't think any of you know what you're arguing about.

My points were: yada yada yada...

He just said he's not going to fight over this with you anymore and nobody cares........ so you come back by saying "I don't think you know what your arguing about"?

I think maybe you don't know what you're arguing about anymore. Just let this thread sink into the blackness that is Daizex Limbo.

[Wojak]

I think that we all have to stop, and think a bit.
Poor Rena Rune can't find anything better than Daizex. We should be grateful of that she has chosen Daizex.
Thus, because of this complicated matter, let's all vote Rena Rune as the new admin, to justfully rule us all, until our children will take over.
Judging by her posts, VegettoEX is selfish and evil, and she's right, hundreds of members can be wrong and a single one can be right. Especially since we all like it here, and the single one doesn't.
/End of sarcasm.

Rena:
Let's not think about how even though you post arguments, people just don't agree. Just because of that you post logic and stable argument's, that's not what it takes to change someone's mind, and that, my friend, is what growing up is, to realize things like that.
You can write essays about these matters, but you have to understand, that the members like it as it is in these forums.
They like the rules they agreed on, and maybe even like all the qualities you have described VegettoEX with.
That's the difference, get over it.

If you don't like MFG forums because of the powerlevel discussions, do us a favor and GO THERE, INSTEAD OF HERE and fuck with their admins for being so stupid allowing powerlevel discussions.
Or are you so scared because of that they are more in number than VegettoEX is? You know that MFG forums would ban you so fast you wouldn't have the time to blink.
At least VegettoEX has had a lot of patience with you.
See the positive instead of the negative.
Jin and Yang.
Peace.
Flower Power.

[The Time Traveller]

Jin and Yang.

You mean Yin Yang right?

[NeptuneKai]

Let's just assume we are as stupid as you say Ms."Rune". Let's say Mr.EX was unintellectual and mean and we're the closed minded nazi's you're trying to tell us we are.

What are you trying to accomplish? I think it's clear by now nobody is going to be changing their minds and there will be no Daizex revolution. I really don't see why you're carrying on this argument because there is no point. Everyone loves this place but you.

[Wojak]

Jin and Yang.

You mean Yin Yang right?

No, the good Mr. Jin that is married to the evil Mrs. Yang, they complete eachother. Yin Yang is their neutral, circular child. He is a bit rebellious, thus, he is not the correct description here.

[Peegles]

To be honest, people like this Rena dude just affirms my dislike towards most people with my condition/disability in general. (A mate of mine here informed me of this.)

If you can't click on some message boards, just go the fuck away and find others. Why bother wasting Christmas time on ten pages of some woe is me topic about how an online community is crap?

Get hammered and lighten up. Jeez. This is about as depressing as the upcoming DBZ movie.

[Rena Rune]

Alright, despite the quite frankly down right ignorant bandwagonings and appeals to ridicule over the last page or two, I'm going to give this forum one more chance. Dragonball forums in general are just so ungodly bad and filled with immaturity and a lack of basic respect that this isn't really worse than average.

I still think the way this board is run is and the attitudes here are very wrong, I found especially at the other forums I tried in my absence that there's nearly always a lot more people who don't like the way things are but never speak out publically(why would they, looking at this?), but I'm going to try and find a better way of convincing people so. Just because something is "Peaceful" and people seem happy with it doesn't make it right - tearing into someone for being upset about something DB related can't be anything but evident of a problem. If people bandwagon this easily, I'm unsure it's a good idea to take their word on how happy they are with something.

I'm sorry if I came on too strong to anyone, but my beliefs I expressed in this thread are genuine and something I've thought about an incredible amount. I would appreciate, at the very least, if people would not consider me immature just for having an opinion that conflicts with "authority", or for loosing my cool when it's just me against an entire messageboard that won't listen(try putting yourself in the underdog's shoes), this is wrong no matter which way you look at it.

Maybe if people can see someone who expresses their views against the status quo making more regular posts, it will change their minds and make it harder for them to pigeonhole. The posts over the last page especially though are very unfair and I hope not to find more like them in future. Wojack's post especially, maturity is not a rejection of appealing to people a forum should be run logically(that's just giving up, which used far too interchangably, given many people give up on causes as they get older it's an easy mistake), and I have run forums before and been quite a good admin, ask Tweaker. It's not as if I'm talking ass for no reason. I'm not immature, I don't start things for the sake of it, I genuinely believe what I say, I've reasons to do so and my time at other forums have reaffirmed me how "dangerous" bandwagoning and dodgy admins can be.

I want to get on with people, but if they're not going to at least afford some basic respect for someone who is by definition always going to be 10 miles outside he status quo(I am quite literally unable to "fit in" in the way some people describe, and it's a lot more than the mild autism someone already mentioned), then it's going to be very hard to do so. If people reply to this positively despite the earlier conflict, then it will be encouraging. I think the way of thinking many people have there is unethical and representive of a larger problem with internet forums, but I am willing to be respectful if other people are. Some times even if you think you're happy with something, there's still a way that's better for everyone, and it would be nice to work towards that in the future.

[SSJ2bardock]

Why are you so adamantly trying to change our minds? You keep saying the things we do hear are unethical and all that other jazz, so why try to change the way we think when you could just look for a forum where they think more like you?

It's not like Mike is some kind of Pied Piper that we're just following blindly. We act, think, and follow the rules here because we want to. It's really not that hard to understand.

[Zenkai Power]

*Insert a bunch of Stuff Rena said in his/her last post here that I've deleted so it doesn't make the page ridiculously longer than my post is already making it*

Okay Rena. I haven't been following this big argument... I just started reading this thread but I went a few pages back and read over some of what was said. I'm not against you. But I think you are kind of making a big deal out of nothing. You seem to be angry over the fact that the board doesn't have an off-topic forum or allow off-topic discussion? And you say that it's full of immaturity?

Well first of all. Let me say that I understand some reasoning behind not wanting an off topic forum. I've seen them. And a lot of time they are not full of meaningful discussion but are full of dumb posts, jokes and in-jokes and things of that nature. They are more difficult to moderate. I know of a forum where their off-topic threads nearly ruined the entire board because everyone just started posting in there and not in the main topic because not a lot was going on in the news (for what the board was about)... the resulting behavior led to threads about masturbation, trying to type while you are drunk and etc. The in-jokes made new people feel uncomfortable and unwelcome... some of the members actually ganged up on the new people because they were, New.

So anyway, many bannings later and some new rules instated, the board returned to normal. This is not to say such a thing would happen here, but from what I understand... though I may be wrong... there's not many people here to moderate the place ... and probably out of the fact that it is not NECESSARY to have off topic discussion is another reason... so they just didn't bother with it. You seem to be the only person who thinks it's a big deal.

You go on about how there is not another Dragonball board, but you can still talk about DRAGON BALL here right? Yes. Why would you want an off-topic board so badly if you don't seem to get along with the community... it's not like you can't go to some other kind of board for off-topic discussions... at least you CAN talk about Dragonball here right? So again what's the big deal?

Also. You seem to think the forum belongs to the people and the owner should be thankful that people visit. But really, should he? Or should you be thankful they have provided you and others a place to discuss Dragonball. This part is REAaaaaalllly important to understand here. I'm pretty sure they pay to have this website online. I'm pretty sure they have gone through the trouble of setting it up and designing it. And that means it's their rules. The community does not OWN the website or board. If the owner feels like just pulling the plug one day then so be it. That's their call. Therefore if you feel like making a Dragonball forum that meets YOUR standards then maybe you should go make one. See how many people show up... see how hard it is to build a community. And see if having an off-topic forum really makes that big of a difference.

I am not against you. I am a pretty casual poster and relatively new so I respect what you're saying. But I really don't think it's that big of a deal and I think you are letting personal feelings towards the webmaster(s) get in the way of expressing it.

I listened to what you had to say, I read it. I didn't ignore it. I didn't quote you piece by piece but I did acknowledge much of the points you brought up in previous posts. Soooo... just chill? You can talk about Dragonball all day long.

[Captain Awesome]

I think it's great you're giving this place another chance, however trying to change people's minds on the way things are run here is just going to run you into the same problems.

People aren't being apathetic, they aren't afraid to speak out, everyone just likes the way things are run here, if you don't that's really your own problem. People will form their own opinions, it's not up to you to "educate" them, so whether you're just trying to "raise awareness" or stir up a rebellion, you're really just going to run into the same problems you did earlier.

My advice, just try to talk about Dragonball for a while and you'll probably realise things really aren't so bad here .

[Kendamu]

Welcome back! I hope your second visit will be a bit more fun!

[Rena Rune]

I think it's great you're giving this place another chance, however trying to change people's minds on the way things are run here is just going to run you into the same problems.

People aren't being apathetic, they aren't afraid to speak out, everyone just likes the way things are run here, if you don't that's really your own problem. People will form their own opinions, it's not up to you to "educate" them, so whether you're just trying to "raise awareness" or stir up a rebellion, you're really just going to run into the same problems you did earlier.

My advice, just try to talk about Dragonball for a while and you'll probably realise things really aren't so bad here .

I disagree that people are that honest about their own opinions. After all if there is a problem with bandwagoning, hive mentality, aren't people going to think they like it anyway? And even if they do like it, I've met people that have been chased away from this place and have nowhere else to go like myself, MFG is a craphole and the Funi forums are too inactive, and maybe there's a way everyone can like it even more.

I'll try to alk about Dragonball from now on. But if I disagree with something, I won't hesitate to say so.

[NeptuneKai]

*A bunch of stuff*

One of us, One of us, GOOBLE GABBLE GOOBLE GABBLE.
One of us, One of us, GOOBLE GABBLE GOOBLE GABBLE.

In any event try to enjoy your stay.

[VegettoEX]

This thread serves no further purpose.