Not all outsiders hate Dragonball (external reviews)

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:16 pm

Kid Trunks wrote:
Kendamu wrote:Anyway, I just thought that it might bring a bit of joy into your lives to know that Dragonball in America isn't always looked down upon; even if the so-called anime elite turn their nose up to it and categorize it right alongside Pro Wrestling while enjoying the smell of their own farts.
But why is it that Dragonball is looked down upon? I've seen a few people saw that in a few places, but I don't get it. And what kind of anime do the "elitists" watch? Is it all those real serious animes like Elfen Lied and such?

Because it's trendy to hate it.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:22 pm

Kid Trunks wrote:
Kendamu wrote:Anyway, I just thought that it might bring a bit of joy into your lives to know that Dragonball in America isn't always looked down upon; even if the so-called anime elite turn their nose up to it and categorize it right alongside Pro Wrestling while enjoying the smell of their own farts.
But why is it that Dragonball is looked down upon? I've seen a few people saw that in a few places, but I don't get it. And what kind of anime do the "elitists" watch? Is it all those real serious animes like Elfen Lied and such?

I always assumed it was because DB's not about angsty tweens (see Viz's favorite acquisition) or "deep" political drama (see "serious" anime series); both of which bore me to tears.

Apparently in order to be "cool", your characters have to have dark depressing backgrounds and they have to brood a lot. Also, anything remotely light-hearted is, to these guys, unacceptable.

But I've never personally run into any elitists in rl (rarely do I ever see any other fans in rl) and when I have seen them its always on general message boards.

But OT, its nice to see a positive review.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:28 pm

I love Cowboy Bebop, but that seems to be one of the big ones that "Elitists" moved on to when DBZ became redundant to them.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:32 pm

I have much love for Bebop too, but I don't go around and trash shows I enjoyed prior to it the way elitists do.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:35 pm

Duo wrote:I love Cowboy Bebop, but that seems to be one of the big ones that "Elitists" moved on to when DBZ became redundant to them.

A lot of people got into that show whether they liked Dragonball or not. It's one of my all-time favorites. Sure, some of the "elite" got into it, too, but I've never seen any hardcore Bebop fans (as in they post on a Bebop forum daily) openly bash Dragonball. Seems that the hardcore Bebop fans had the required varying tastes in entertainment to truly enjoy the show as it was a big mix of light-hearted and serious stuff of varying genres. With that kind of outlook, how can a hardcore Babop fan not be open to Dragonball?

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:39 pm

I hate those people that act like DBZ is some kiddy bullshit and that they moved on after "being exposed to better anime." Just read reviews of DBZ from certain Anime sites.

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:43 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:I hate those people that act like DBZ is some kiddy bullshit and that they moved on after "being exposed to better anime." Just read reviews of DBZ from certain Anime sites.

linx plz

jda95 · Post by **jda95** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:44 pm

I must say, I have found a few anime that are 'better' (as in with a better plot, animation, etc.) than DB, but DB is and always will be my favorite anime. It has flaws, yes, but I don't like DeeBeeZee bashing.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:55 pm

http://www.denbeste.nu/Chizumatic/revie ... allZ.shtml

http://www.themanime.org/viewreview.php?id=245

http://www.nihonreview.com/anime/dragonball-z/

All it is is just people trying to be "mature" and "hardcore."

B · Post by B » Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:59 pm

I would say that Naruto is hated more than DBZ, or at least equally.

Basically, the anime the "elitists" watch are anything not shonen/filled with fantasy fighting. Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo, Code Geass, Azumanga Daioh, and the like are a couple that immediately pop into mind. Things like Dragon Ball, Naruto, or One Piece are seen as childish and weak in the narrative department.

Eh, those kind of people can't comprehend opinion and really just want to piss people off anyway, so I pay no mind to them.

Also, something I noticed is that a current fan-favorite anime right now is Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagaan. Anyone else who likes that show see it's similarites with Dragon Ball, and yet people eat it up?

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:14 pm

Yeah, they just like those "realistic" anime to appear mature.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 8:14 pm

Kid Trunks wrote:
Kendamu wrote:Anyway, I just thought that it might bring a bit of joy into your lives to know that Dragonball in America isn't always looked down upon; even if the so-called anime elite turn their nose up to it and categorize it right alongside Pro Wrestling while enjoying the smell of their own farts.
But why is it that Dragonball is looked down upon? I've seen a few people saw that in a few places, but I don't get it. And what kind of anime do the "elitists" watch? Is it all those real serious animes like Elfen Lied and such?

Everyone else has already explained it, but I thought I'd add that, as we all probably know, most people in the west only know Dragon Ball through the dub. A lot of anime fans were introduced to anime through it and thus consider it a newbie sort of anime, but also because funimation made the dub so different to the original a lot of people see it as being even less mature than it is.

I mean...Dragon Ball isn't a mature show, really. But it's not like the so called hardcore anime the elitists watch are any more mature. It's mostly all made for kids at the end of the day, elitists are just in denial.

Oh, and I suppose Dragon Ball doesn't take much deep thought to understand. I mean, we sit around putting tons of thought into it here, but you don't need to think about it that much to enjoy it. They might think something like Evangelion is deeper because of all the symbolism and vagueness and open endedness (though I'm also an Eva fan, so yeah).

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:01 pm

Not quite outsiders, but on a few forums I started topics on favorite villain deaths in anime or villains in general. A lot of people responded that some of their favorites were Cell's and Buu's.

Omiclock · Post by **Omiclock** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:29 am

jjgp1112 wrote:http://www.denbeste.nu/Chizumatic/revie ... allZ.shtml

http://www.themanime.org/viewreview.php?id=245

http://www.nihonreview.com/anime/dragonball-z/

All it is is just people trying to be "mature" and "hardcore."

Oh my God, these are some of the most annoying reviews I have ever read. I'm sorry, but why does every goddamn review of Dragon Ball (Z, because it's almost always Z) complain for hours about its length? Yeah, we get it, Dragon Ball is pretty long, but there are longer things. Why is an anime considered some kind of overly-long, century spanning epic if it has more than 16 episodes these days?

And calling Dragon Ball "unoriginal" is, quite frankly, ridiculous. It was completely fresh and new in its time, and that's why it still influences so many manga and anime today, some such as One Piece and Naruto VERY, VERY STRONGLY. Just because you watched the FUNimation dub of Dragon Ball Z as a kid and weren't really ready to analyse things too deeply and then you watched all of the original Japanese Naruto or something DOESN'T MEAN DRAGON BALL IS UNORIGINAL. It just means you saw something intentionally similar first, even though Dragon Ball came out over a decade prior to it.

Honestly, it's just considered "the cool thing" to bash Dragon Ball. It baffles me how clearly professional and very well-informed reviewers who obviously know their stuff when it comes to modern stuff get Dragon Ball completely wrong. You see like, anime reviewers who are so purist that they insist on calling Light from Death Note "Raito", and yet they refer to the entire series as "Dragon Ball Z", use dub names and obviously watched nothing before the Saiyajin arc. Honestly, I can't stand it.

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:32 am

Take it easy. No one actually reads these reviews.

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:40 am

So, uh.

Why do we care, exactly?

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:58 am

jjgp1112 wrote:http://www.nihonreview.com/anime/dragonball-z/

You just know EXACTLY what kind of attitude and atmosphere you're gonna get the very second you see Haruhi Suzumiya slapped onto the site's banner.

Zenkai Power · Post by **Zenkai Power** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:14 am

I find it amusing you guys get so worked up over reviews that, like mentioned above, virtually no one reads written by "nobodys" for the most part in the first place... thinking people don't like/support/respect dragon ball yet it's probably one of the most financially successful anime/manga franchises ever and has influenced plenty of other manga artists right?

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:41 pm

Omiclock wrote:And calling Dragon Ball "unoriginal" is, quite frankly, ridiculous. It was completely fresh and new in its time, and that's why it still influences so many manga and anime today, some such as One Piece and Naruto VERY, VERY STRONGLY. Just because you watched the FUNimation dub of Dragon Ball Z as a kid and weren't really ready to analyse things too deeply and then you watched all of the original Japanese Naruto or something DOESN'T MEAN DRAGON BALL IS UNORIGINAL. It just means you saw something intentionally similar first, even though Dragon Ball came out over a decade prior to it.

You know I kinda have to disagree. I think Hokuto No Ken influenced the combat in later Dragon Ball/the Z arcs heavily. Hokuto No Ken, the anime, came out in 1984 and the anime ended before the Dragon Ball anime was even in the Piccolo Daimao arc. It's one of those things that I really can't explain clearly but I just know that Dragon Ball's combat was inspired more from Hokuto No Ken at the time.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:48 pm

B wrote:Also, something I noticed is that a current fan-favorite anime right now is Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagaan. Anyone else who likes that show see it's similarites with Dragon Ball, and yet people eat it up?

I only saw the first episode on Sci-Fi awhile back. I liked it, but not enough to find out when it normally comes on. People probably like it because it's new, fresh, not 291 episodes, and it isn't Dragonball, One Piece, or Naruto but fills the void in their lives for something that has similarities to it.

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