John on international response to the live-action movie

[JAPPO]

How am I supposed to have faith in this film when there's nothing aside from that chicken-leg screenshot to persuade me that ANY of the man's personality's been carried over into the movie?!

I just wanna say Fox's marketing department is probably the worst in the industry.

In fact, they never even released that photo. It was leaked (actually by me lol). They don't want to market the comedy aspect of the movie for some unexplainable reason.

But yeah, there's still comedy in the film. They just aren't promoting it. As for Goku acting like Goku, you have to realize that "Cool" line in the trailer was when he first meets Bulma. He wasn't exactly happy to meet her after he found his house blown up and his only family member killed.

Oh well. I can't blame anyone since this is pretty much Fox's fault for not showing fans what they WANT to see and just showing them action scenes.

[Conan the SSJ]

How am I supposed to have faith in this film when there's nothing aside from that chicken-leg screenshot to persuade me that ANY of the man's personality's been carried over into the movie?!

With ya' all the way, Chu.

[Snail]

Don't forget how the optimists and pro-movie folk are treated like senseless yes-mans with no standards.

Segregration amongst the Daizex community =

Is it time to bring out the song?

[Kaboom]

But yeah, there's still comedy in the film. They just aren't promoting it.

That's what I'm thinking too. A lot of the fan's biggest concerns about "faithfulness" have ended up being relieved. Piccolo ended up green, Goku and Gohan live in the countryside, and things like that. We've had things turn out to be faithful when folks were positive they'd be horribly missed before; who's to say they won't continue to turn out that way?

[Chuquita]

How am I supposed to have faith in this film when there's nothing aside from that chicken-leg screenshot to persuade me that ANY of the man's personality's been carried over into the movie?!

With ya' all the way, Chu.

Thank you. TTuTT


That is the biggest issue I have with this movie; there haven't been any lines from Chatwin or videoclips or screenshots (other than the one I mentioned) to suggest that Goku's personality has been kept intact and not replaced with something else.

I just wanna say Fox's marketing department is probably the worst in the industry.

In fact, they never even released that photo. It was leaked (actually by me lol). They don't want to market the comedy aspect of the movie for some unexplainable reason.

But yeah, there's still comedy in the film. They just aren't promoting it. As for Goku acting like Goku, you have to realize that "Cool" line in the trailer was when he first meets Bulma. He wasn't exactly happy to meet her after he found his house blown up and his only family member killed.

Oh well. I can't blame anyone since this is pretty much Fox's fault for not showing fans what they WANT to see and just showing them action scenes.

I really hope it is just marketing department issues. (I'm so flipping through that "Junior Novel" once it comes out next month in search of in-character Goku.)

Definitely grateful for the chicken-leg screenshot; it's the only bit of hope I have for in-character Goku being hidden behind door number 3 because the marketing department has some adverse reaction to him.

[JAPPO]

Putting aside the script for a moment, has no one noticed the bright, anime-like colors in certain scenes? I'm surprised they used them. It's like "Speed Racer" but easier on the eyes. I was pleasantly surprised to see them. Wasn't expecting it at all.

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

Putting aside the script for a moment, has no one noticed the bright, anime-like colors in certain scenes? I'm surprised they used them. It's like "Speed Racer" but easier on the eyes. I was pleasantly surprised to see them. Wasn't expecting it at all.

I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about, actually. Any specific examples?

[Olivier Hague]

A Japanese language article on Livedoor News expresses some concern over the international advance reception to the upcoming American produced Dragonball Evolution motion picture. The article claims that 70% of all international comments about the film have been negative. The article quotes harsh criticism of the film’s trailer from fans in the US, Canada, Mexico, South Korea, France, the UK, Belgium, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Australia, Brazil, and South Africa.

Yeah, I saw that thing on 2ch a while back. No sources given. 'Might well be (insightful? ^^) bogus.

The French quote (and the Japanese comments about it) made me laugh though. 'Really not sure we're quite there yet, really... but let's let them believe. ^^

This movie might fail solely because people want it to fail, not because it "will" be a bad movie.

Oh, I wouldn't worry about that. Really.

"Enjoying the Dragonball franchise" is exactly the problem. You're following it just because it bears some surface resemblence to Dragonball and is part of the franchise.

...So?

Er... So that makes you easily manipulable by the majors? ^^;

Don't forget how the optimists and pro-movie folk are treated like senseless yes-mans with no standards.

Considering your reply above, I can't even begin to imagine why.

Don't you know that Transformers was a GOD AWFUL MOVIE because it had Teenagers in High School in it!

It was god awful for a lot of reasons, but that's not the one that first came to my mind...

[Tsukento]

Don't you know that Transformers was a GOD AWFUL MOVIE because it had Teenagers in High School in it!

I'm kidding, I loved transformers, but I guess that's because I am not a rabid transformers elitist. I just watched it as a kid and loved beast wars, so I am not a true fan.

I'm in the same boat, but I can somewhat see what they're getting at. I came into the movie expecting to see a movie about giant robots and them beating the shit out of eachother, sorta like the animated movie. But instead, the movie features more time focusing on a typical high school teen life and following the life of the military with Transformers thrown into the mix.

I certainly didn't think it was as bad as they made it out to be, but it could have used a lot less focus on the humans as their stories really weren't that important by the time the movie ended.

Yeah, I saw that thing on 2ch a while back. No sources given. 'Might well be (insightful? ^^) bogus.

You may want to actually read comments from various locations that have pictures and videos posted up that AREN'T on JAPPO's site.

A huge number of people from various locations are either pissed, embarrassed or amused like hell by what we've all seen by now.

[Olivier Hague]

Yeah, I saw that thing on 2ch a while back. No sources given. 'Might well be (insightful? ^^) bogus.

You may want to actually read comments from various locations that have pictures and videos posted up that AREN'T on JAPPO's site.

You may want to read more carefully.
'Not sure where you got the idea that I was defending the movie, but I'm willing to bet it's not from any of my messages...

[Dan no saisei]

I dont like what i have seen about the Movie, but.... i would say that the movie is very mutch like the old DB Animemovies.
We all know them and like them, and they all did totaly change the fakts in the DB univers. For example; Movie 2 tells us where Shenlong lives/came from and in Movie 3 Chouzu was a Prince.

So yes Goku goes to highschool, the Capsules pop-up like a transformer and the Dragonballs where created by 7 mystics, but even if we all are bitching about the movie, wa all gona watch it, because we are DB fans, we may will not like the way they made the movie but we will accept it and hope they dont realease to mutch merchandise based on the movie and that we will get something better from japan soon....

[B]

No Krillin.

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

No Krillin.

Yes. Because he was there the whole time doing important stuff during the "Saga of Goku" and Daimao saga.

[B]

He was a catalyst of the Daimao Saga! :<

Anyway, I can live with lack of a couple of characters. This movie, as a whole, doesn't resemble Dragon Ball for the most part, in aesthetics or plot, and I'm okay with that. Call me a traitor or a fake fan, don't really care, fuck you and anyone else who chooses to do so. What irks me about this whole business isn't even the movie itself: it's people pushing their thoughts and beliefs on other people, and condemning those who don't. It's essentially a sub-version of what anti-Dragon Ball fans do with people who like the series.

If you hate all you've seen of this movie, nobody's telling you not to, at least, I'm not. But I'd prefer it if people didn't tell me how to think or feel about this.

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

He was a catalyst of the Daimao Saga! :<

The emotional response of "My best friend is DEAD" just doesn't resonate well, though, when you haven't met that friend for more than a few minutes. Setting up the Kuririn relationship just to kill him so the events match the manga would feel shallow, I think.

Anyway, I can live with lack of a couple of characters. This movie, as a whole, doesn't resemble Dragon Ball for the most part, in aesthetics or plot, and I'm okay with that. Call me a traitor or a fake fan, don't really care, fuck you and anyone else who chooses to do so. What irks me about this whole business isn't even the movie itself: it's people pushing their thoughts and beliefs on other people, and condemning those who don't. It's essentially a sub-version of what anti-Dragon Ball fans do with people who like the series.

If you hate all you've seen of this movie, nobody's telling you not to, at least, I'm not. But I'd prefer it if people didn't tell me how to think or feel about this.

Pushing thoughts or beliefs?

It's a movie. Dragon Ball isn't an ideology. =p

I'm just commenting on your logic, since you did decide to post it in a public forum for other people to see and comment on. =)

[B]

Pushing thoughts or beliefs?

It's a movie. Dragon Ball isn't an ideology. =p

EXACTLY! It's a movie, yet people are getting worked up about it, and when someone says "it looks alright lawl" they get verbally OJ Simspon'd. There's no point to it.

[Captain Awesome]

Every time I look in on one of these threads, it's full of pro-movie folk trying to invalidate other peoples opinions because they haven't seen the movie yet.

Everything I have seen thus far of the live action movie depresses me, it looks completely awful, but I can't say that, because I haven't seen the movie, and when I do see the movie and I don't like it, do I have to then provide a list of movies I have seen and how I rated them?, and then if that's not good enough, do I then have to go into detail about the two years of film study I did?.

I would really like to know how informed I need to be so that I can have an opinion.

[NeptuneKai]

Every time I look in on one of these threads, it's full of pro-movie folk trying to invalidate other peoples opinions because they haven't seen the movie yet.

Everything I have seen thus far of the live action movie depresses me, it looks completely awful, but I can't say that, because I haven't seen the movie, and when I do see the movie and I don't like it, do I have to then provide a list of movies I have seen and how I rated them?, and then if that's not good enough, do I then have to go into detail about the two years of film study I did?.

I would really like to know how informed I need to be so that I can have an opinion.

You don't get it. It's the other extreme. We have people like DTX who want to "DESTROY the LIVE ACTION MOVAY!!!!111eleven" and then we have the people who even if this movie bombs will declare how "people just didn't understand it's genius!" Goku could be a twelve year old girl with down syndrome and they would still proclaim it to be an epic retelling. I learned just not to participate in these threads for the most part due to that.

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

Every time I look in on one of these threads, it's full of pro-movie folk trying to invalidate other peoples opinions because they haven't seen the movie yet.

Everything I have seen thus far of the live action movie depresses me, it looks completely awful, but I can't say that, because I haven't seen the movie, and when I do see the movie and I don't like it, do I have to then provide a list of movies I have seen and how I rated them?, and then if that's not good enough, do I then have to go into detail about the two years of film study I did?.

I would really like to know how informed I need to be so that I can have an opinion.

You can have one. Fine by me. I'd like to have mine too, thanks. And mine is too mixed to be all that negative, so I'm going for "it may very well be good". =P

Also, it's not like people that don't like the movie aren't an overwhelming majority, and that there's bad logic from people dedicated to either end of this funny divide we have going here.

[omegacwa]

Also, I guess I am in the cult to, because I see plenty Dragonball in this movie.

You must have a very narrow definition of plenty, because I can only think of 8 things this movie has in common with the original:

1. They have the same names.
2. They search for the Dragon Balls.
3. Roshi trains Goku.
4. Gohan does not live in a city.
5. Goku and Chi-chi are involved.
6. Goku eats a drumstick.
7. Bulma has some nifty technology.
8. Piccolo is green.

Should I be impressed by this? Does that list even really compare to how many non-Dragon Ball elements there are in the film?t.

I don't hate or love the movie

But didn’t you already confess to being in the cult?

You are blatantly ignoring other facts to sway your opinion. I really don't want to delve into it, but there is much more than that.

Also, I am in the "cult" because I am not angry over the movie, and I am willing to defend it until I see it. If it turns out wretchedly bad, which I doubt cause I haven't seen a movie that was mainstream that was really bad in a while, let's just ignore the happening, then I will join you in the bashing, but until I have seen a horrible botching of the franchise to the point that it is unrecognizable, which as of yet has not happened to me, I will remain indifferent.

I think people have way to high standards for movies or something. Seriously, there are people who thought Transformers was bad? Seriously? That movie was a lot of fun, it's not like it was an oscar winning Drama, but that's not what it was supposed to be. Oh "The transformers weren't all blocky looking like the cartoon!" are you kidding, that would have looked horrible.

I think people need to see a bad movie, like an actual bad movie, then they might understand. As I grew up on movies, I understand what makes something good/bad, my dad is a huge movie buff so I was pretty much raised on movies. I have seen some really horrible stuff.

The reality is that Hollywood is a shitty place, with so many people trying to get there way that we are even lucky we got as much to look correct as we did.
Fact: James O'Barr's The Crow when first licensed to make a movie was in developmental hell. At one point it was almost green lit to be a musical starring Micheal Jackson. Seriously. Producers are stupid with there own agendas. As I said, we are lucky we got what we got so far. We should be grateful that James Marsters was on the cast cause he puled to have the movie be more accurate. James Wong apparently did to, sorry I don't have a source, but the thing is, what if we didn't have them, imagine with what we might have ended up with.

Example: At one point Kevin Smith and some other guy/producer were signed on to write the next Superman film back in the mid nineties. This producer guy told Kevin he could write whatever he wanted, but Superman couldn't fly, had to wear a black costume with no cape, and had to fight a giant mechanical spider. Kevin Smith rightfully backed out, and that other guy went on to make Wild Wild West.