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Post by NeptuneKai » Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:14 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote:
MisterFlashdude wrote: For all we know, he could be Flying Spaghetti Monster...
Was that a South Park reference? Damn atheists. :P
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Post by SSJ2bardock » Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:18 pm

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MisterFlashdude wrote: For all we know, he could be Flying Spaghetti Monster...
Was that a South Park reference? Damn atheists. :P
Flying Spaghetti Monster was around way before that South Park episode.
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Post by Olivier Hague » Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:11 am

Acid_Reign wrote:That picture single-handedly silences all “But the hair is impossible!!!” arguments. Thanks! :D
Are you serious? It's just spiky hair and it looks dumb.

Snail wrote:Anybody doubting the feasibility of Dragonball hair isn't taking a good look at asian culture hairstyles.
Go show a movie with hair styles like that in Western theaters...
In a parallel universe where everybody grew in the vicinity of Harajuku, that might work. In ours, it just wouldn't fly.

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Post by Snail » Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:25 am

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Snail wrote:Anybody doubting the feasibility of Dragonball hair isn't taking a good look at asian culture hairstyles.
Go show a movie with hair styles like that in Western theaters...
In a parallel universe where everybody grew in the vicinity of Harajuku, that might work. In ours, it just wouldn't fly.
Um..for starters..Wolverine?

I see wacky, over-the-top hairstyles sitting nice and snug upon our current asian, and caucasian trend-setters these days with a simple waltz through the mall, or street. Hell, I have a few close acquintances of whom have grown to sport these hairstyles. All from slight observation.

Most asian stars and celebs such as Hong Kong or Korean pop-stars don stylish-as-hell mophead-like hair. Nextly, we've got some japanese rock/metal groups of whom doll themselves up to the point of actually appearing like a kickass new Final Fantasy character of some sort. Furthermore, amongst the youngsters of North American pop culture, we've got Tokio Hotel (just one example..shudders...) present with a frontman of whom takes it to a whole nother' level. Not to mention the recent wave of punk-rock, emo-rock trends all complete with wild, exciting (or ridiculous) hairstyles.

So how wouldn't it fly? After all, we're living in a western culture of which idolises, and accepts films of which document the fictional tales of men and women in ridiculously colorful garments and tights saving the world. Then, you've got bands such as Slipknot of whom have achieved great acclaim with their efforts in the music industry, despite their over-the-top appearance. So why not..hair? :P

I mean..let's say the wardrobe, make-up, and hairstylists teams behind the Dragonball live action movie decided to push forward for a much more faithful look to the original source. Are there that many characters that would warrant a hefty load of hair wax, thinner, and spray? Goku, Vegeta, and..that's about it.

So..as 'dumb' as these hairstyles appear, it's effective, it's widely accepted, and it's necessary for our a number of our beloved cast of heroes from the DB-verse.

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Post by Olivier Hague » Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:51 am

Snail wrote:Um..for starters..Wolverine?
Well, I thought we were talking about Gokû's hairdo, here? 'Seems a bit more extreme to me.
we're living in a western culture of which idolises, and accepts films of which document the fictional tales of men and women in ridiculously colorful garments and tights saving the world.
I wouldn't go that far.

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Post by Anonymous Friend » Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:14 am

Snail wrote:
Olivier Hague wrote:
Snail wrote:Anybody doubting the feasibility of Dragonball hair isn't taking a good look at asian culture hairstyles.
Go show a movie with hair styles like that in Western theaters...
In a parallel universe where everybody grew in the vicinity of Harajuku, that might work. In ours, it just wouldn't fly.
Um..for starters..Wolverine?

I see wacky, over-the-top hairstyles sitting nice and snug upon our current asian, and caucasian trend-setters these days with a simple waltz through the mall, or street. Hell, I have a few close acquintances of whom have grown to sport these hairstyles. All from slight observation.

Most asian stars and celebs such as Hong Kong or Korean pop-stars don stylish-as-hell mophead-like hair. Nextly, we've got some japanese rock/metal groups of whom doll themselves up to the point of actually appearing like a kickass new Final Fantasy character of some sort. Furthermore, amongst the youngsters of North American pop culture, we've got Tokio Hotel (just one example..shudders...) present with a frontman of whom takes it to a whole nother' level. Not to mention the recent wave of punk-rock, emo-rock trends all complete with wild, exciting (or ridiculous) hairstyles.

So how wouldn't it fly? After all, we're living in a western culture of which idolises, and accepts films of which document the fictional tales of men and women in ridiculously colorful garments and tights saving the world. Then, you've got bands such as Slipknot of whom have achieved great acclaim with their efforts in the music industry, despite their over-the-top appearance. So why not..hair? :P

I mean..let's say the wardrobe, make-up, and hairstylists teams behind the Dragonball live action movie decided to push forward for a much more faithful look to the original source. Are there that many characters that would warrant a hefty load of hair wax, thinner, and spray? Goku, Vegeta, and..that's about it.

So..as 'dumb' as these hairstyles appear, it's effective, it's widely accepted, and it's necessary for our a number of our beloved cast of heroes from the DB-verse.
You're referencing Rock Stars, who for decades have been dressing outrageously. And Superheroes, who also, have been dressing like that for even longer. We've come to accept these things. and in fact, the movies for these have been scaled back.

Just because you see a style of dress and groom being tolerated, doesn't mean that it as been accepted. Not even taking into consideration that we're also discussing two different cultures.
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Post by Acid_Reign » Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:32 pm

Olivier Hague wrote:Are you serious? It's just spiky hair and it looks dumb.
Yes but there were people claiming that a realistic version of DB hair wasn’t even possible. I would not stick that guy as-is into the movie.
Go show a movie with hair styles like that in Western theaters...
In a parallel universe where everybody grew in the vicinity of Harajuku, that might work. In ours, it just wouldn't fly.
I agree, but at the same time, I don’t think it’s necessarily a deal-breaker

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Post by Kaboom » Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:39 pm

As far as Goku's hair goes, I think they found a nice balance between the cartoony proportions and the limitations of styling it from a real person's hair.
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Post by Kendamu » Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:41 pm

Anonymous Friend wrote:You're referencing Rock Stars, who for decades have been dressing outrageously. And Superheroes, who also, have been dressing like that for even longer. We've come to accept these things. and in fact, the movies for these have been scaled back.
Well, most people know Dragonball through the anime. Even in the West, one of the stereotypes of anime is that people have crazy hair colors and impossible hairstyles. So, when the commercial states something along the lines of, "...one of the most popular anime of all time comes to life..." or whatever, that should ready our inferior Western caveman minds ( :roll: ) in the West for something so outrageous as spikey hair that isn't symmetrical.

EDIT: Even now I don't think Chatku's hair is so horrible. They just needed to make it a bit darker and give him some bangs.
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Post by Olivier Hague » Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:30 pm

Acid_Reign wrote:there were people claiming that a realistic version of DB hair wasn’t even possible.
Bah, there was this picture of a Goten (I think?) cosplay that was pretty good, in that respect.
I just don't see that in a movie.
I don’t think it’s necessarily a deal-breaker
Neither do I, but it's one of the many "little things"...


EDIT: 'Found it. And this one, too.

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Post by Acid_Reign » Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:46 pm

Olivier Hague wrote:Bah, there was this picture of a Goten (I think?) cosplay that was pretty good, in that respect.
I just don't see that in a movie.
Well, obviously, I mean, it’s cosplay. Hollywood could do it better; they just don’t feel like it, apparently.
Neither do I, but it's one of the many "little things"...
Amongst what else? Just curious.

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Post by omegacwa » Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:38 pm

The only way the hair could be done like that cosplay picture is if the movie was ridiculously corny for kids with an entire CGI backdrop. Also it would have to be made for TV because no movie company would license it.

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Post by SSJ2bardock » Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:48 pm

omegacwa wrote:The only way the hair could be done like that cosplay picture is if the movie was ridiculously corny for kids with an entire CGI backdrop. Also it would have to be made for TV because no movie company would license it.
That's the same thing I thought when I saw it. Adapting the styles directly from the anime with large spikes and all would immediately give off an air of corniness to me.
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Post by Kendamu » Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:49 pm

omegacwa wrote:The only way the hair could be done like that cosplay picture is if the movie was ridiculously corny for kids with an entire CGI backdrop. Also it would have to be made for TV because no movie company would license it.
Hence why, somewhere in a $100-Million budget, we can expect that it can be done better than the cosplay!

Oh, and Dragonball was originally made for children, anyway. So why would a Dragonball movie made for children be such a bad thing?

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Post by MisterFlashdude » Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:57 pm

I'd say it's all about context. The movie's a serious, real world-esque approach to a silly children's story.
Make it playful, and crazy hairstyles are more than possible, and not at all unprecedented.

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Post by Chrono Trigger » Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:00 pm

Doing it like that didn't work for Speed Racer. Why would it be any different for Dragon Ball ?
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Post by MisterFlashdude » Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:03 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote:Doing it like that didn't work for Speed Racer. Why would it be any different for Dragon Ball ?
You're throwing out the baby with the bath water, as it were. Wasn't Speed Racer's visuals usually praised by critics?

I haven't seen the movie but that's only because I don't care about racing movies and my nostalgia for the series wasn't that strong.

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Post by omegacwa » Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:04 pm

I guess it couldn't have hurt to make the movie more, family friendly i guess. But didn't James Wong say the movie is very family oriented. So who knows, it really could be botched marketing on the part of Fox trying to make it seem "hardcore, dark, and crazy like the Dark Knight" when in actuality its quiet kiddy, funny and dragonball ridiculous.

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Post by Chrono Trigger » Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:06 pm

MisterFlashDude wrote:You're throwing out the baby with the bath water, as it were. Wasn't Speed Racer's visually usually praised by critics?

I haven't seen the movie but that's only because I don't care about racing movies and my nostalgia for the series wasn't that strong.
I meant that even if they did Dragon Ball in that "cartoony" style it would appeal to fans like us and the critics but it may not appeal to the mass audience (the people FOX are trying to appeal to) and the movie could still bomb. I'm not trying to make excuses for Fox I was just asking/saying...
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Post by Super Ghost Kamikaze » Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:07 pm

I actually really liked Speed Racer. But I don't think it'd work well for a Dragon Ball movie, and the cost of Speed Racer's visuals is what kept that film from making money. The budget was bigger than the audience.

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