On-Topic thread of Awesomeness!

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:36 pm

Pitzu wrote:See, that says 'No, this isn't a direct adaption, we EVOLVED it, as in CHANGED it into a RETELLING OF WHAT GOKU WOULD BE IF HE WAS RAISED IN SOCIETY'

If you can't understand that, I'm sorry for you

Which is a BAD thing. DragonBall's greatest point is it's characters. The lovable dimwit Goku not "completely normal doesn't fit into a group at school and has a crush on Chi-Chi" Goku. What do people really expect? Fans to jump with joy over an adaption of Goku that is the opposite of all of his personality traits?

You know, supporters have been complaining for months that people against it have been jumping down the movies throat without any proof. I'll admit it's been like that since day 1. But now we have proof that this movie is nothing like DragonBall and the best people can come up with is "It's an adaption, not meant to be like the original. Live with it."...That's just a pathetic defense. This is a franchise that many people here have loved for a decase and beyond. To see it bastardaized in such a way is disgraceful.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:41 pm

So we just can't call it an alternate universe? That's just too far outta the box?

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:44 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote:So we just can't call it an alternate universe? That's just too far outta the box?

Apparently so. The sole reason I'm so "okay" with the movie, much less excited, is because I've been regarding it as a "DragonBall Movieverse" since practically day one. Some things are different, but there's clearly enough retained to make it recognizable.

Yeah, I know, "then why name it DragonBall at all." I think I'm already dizzy.

Pitzu · Post by **Pitzu** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:45 pm

Gozar wrote:
Pitzu wrote:See, that says 'No, this isn't a direct adaption, we EVOLVED it, as in CHANGED it into a RETELLING OF WHAT GOKU WOULD BE IF HE WAS RAISED IN SOCIETY'

If you can't understand that, I'm sorry for you
Which is a BAD thing. DragonBall's greatest point is it's characters. The lovable dimwit Goku not "completely normal doesn't fit into a group at school and has a crush on Chi-Chi" Goku. What do people really expect? Fans to jump with joy over an adaption of Goku that is the opposite of all of his personality traits?

You know, supporters have been complaining for months that people against it have been jumping down the movies throat without any proof. I'll admit it's been like that since day 1. But now we have proof that this movie is nothing like DragonBall and the best people can come up with is "It's an adaption, not meant to be like the original. Live with it."...That's just a pathetic defense. This is a franchise that many people here have loved for a decase and beyond. To see it bastardaized in such a way is disgraceful.

Wait
You're praising Dragonballs Characters?

Wow, I'd agree if they had CHARACTER.
THEY NEVER DEVELOPED
THEY ALL STAYED THE EXACT SAME THE ENTIRE SERIES

Goku stayed naive and socially awkward
Bulma stayed whiney and bitchy, even after Trunks was born
Gohan had the same personality from birth to teenage years

The only person to actually have a change in personality is Vegeta.

I say Chatku has MORE personality than Goku, that Movie Bulma ISN'T as much of an annoying bitch as manga/anime bulma.

I don't like Dragonball for the characters, because they're pretty bland.
I like it for the Story, and thats why I'm a film supporter.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:47 pm

I wonder if FOX named the movie Eternal Eclipse or some shit and left everything else about the movie the same (story,character names etc..) what would people say then? Would they still NOT recognize it as Dragon Ball? (Ok now I'm just being a sarcastic ass.)

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:48 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote:I wonder if FOX named the movie Eternal Eclipse or some shit and left everything else about the movie the same (story,character names etc..) what would people say then? Would they still NOT recognize it as Dragon Ball? (Ok now I'm just being a sarcastic ass.)

"What is this? What a ripoff! Why didn't they just make a DragonBall movie?!"

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:52 pm

Pitzu wrote:I like it for the Story, and thats why I'm a film supporter.

Ah, yes... The old Dragonball story of a highschool kid with no friends, pining for the popular girl dating the dumbass jock... Until his grandpa's killed and he begrudgingly accompanies a leather-clad chick with laser-sighted pistols on her transforming ATV to save the world...

Seriously, I'm getting filled with such nostalgia that I could.. well, I could just vomit.

Pitzu · Post by **Pitzu** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:53 pm

MisterFlashdude wrote:
Pitzu wrote:I like it for the Story, and thats why I'm a film supporter.
Ah, yes... The old Dragonball story of a highschool kid with no friends, pining for the popular girl dating the dumbass jock... Until his grandpa's killed and he begrudgingly accompanies a leather-clad chick with laser-sighted pistols on her transforming ATV to save the world...

Seriously, I'm getting filled with such nostalgia that I could.. well, I could just vomit.

...

A kid and his friend searching for magical balls that grant wishes, fighting evil-doers along the way.

THAT story.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:54 pm

Pitzu wrote:
Gozar wrote:
Pitzu wrote:See, that says 'No, this isn't a direct adaption, we EVOLVED it, as in CHANGED it into a RETELLING OF WHAT GOKU WOULD BE IF HE WAS RAISED IN SOCIETY'

If you can't understand that, I'm sorry for you
Which is a BAD thing. DragonBall's greatest point is it's characters. The lovable dimwit Goku not "completely normal doesn't fit into a group at school and has a crush on Chi-Chi" Goku. What do people really expect? Fans to jump with joy over an adaption of Goku that is the opposite of all of his personality traits?

You know, supporters have been complaining for months that people against it have been jumping down the movies throat without any proof. I'll admit it's been like that since day 1. But now we have proof that this movie is nothing like DragonBall and the best people can come up with is "It's an adaption, not meant to be like the original. Live with it."...That's just a pathetic defense. This is a franchise that many people here have loved for a decase and beyond. To see it bastardaized in such a way is disgraceful.
Wait
You're praising Dragonballs Characters?

Wow, I'd agree if they had CHARACTER.
THEY NEVER DEVELOPED
THEY ALL STAYED THE EXACT SAME THE ENTIRE SERIES

Goku stayed naive and socially awkward
Bulma stayed whiney and bitchy, even after Trunks was born
Gohan had the same personality from birth to teenage years

The only person to actually have a change in personality is Vegeta.

I say Chatku has MORE personality than Goku, that Movie Bulma ISN'T as much of an annoying bitch as manga/anime bulma.

I don't like Dragonball for the characters, because they're pretty bland.
I like it for the Story, and thats why I'm a film supporter.

That has got to be the most ignorant statement I've ever heard. It sounds like you're just a typical Anime elitist who hates DragonBall. Though I doubt that's actually the case.

DragonBall may not be full of character development. However the characters do change over time. Yeah Goku's always socially awkward...That's because he's never around society for long periods of time. What do you expect? Though his character over time becomes far more merciful. He goes from his younger days of killing random red ribbon soliders in the blink of an eye. To someone who shows mercy to a galactic tyrant. So what if his general personality stays the same? Is that so uncommon in real life?

As for Bulma, by the Buu Era she settles down a great deal. Actually has developed from a flirt with men to having found love. Bulma isn't even bitchy in the Buu Era.

Gohan. How is he the same? He has a stronger sense of justice. Lost his fears of battle for the most part and takes pride in who he is.

All "Chatku" is is the stereotypical design of a teen angst character. The exact same thing we've seen with about 500 other different characters.

But it doesn't really matter what you think of the DB characters anyway. Regardless of your negativity, they are who they are. Chatku is not Goku. DragonBall Evolution is not DragonBall. The only similarity is character names and the actual concepts of the Dragon Balls.

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:54 pm

Pitzu wrote:...

A kid and his friend searching for magical balls that grant wishes, fighting evil-doers along the way.

THAT story.

Oh, damn... That story, right... I guess I should've been significantly more vague...

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:55 pm

Pitzu wrote:
MisterFlashdude wrote:
Pitzu wrote:I like it for the Story, and thats why I'm a film supporter.
Ah, yes... The old Dragonball story of a highschool kid with no friends, pining for the popular girl dating the dumbass jock... Until his grandpa's killed and he begrudgingly accompanies a leather-clad chick with laser-sighted pistols on her transforming ATV to save the world...

Seriously, I'm getting filled with such nostalgia that I could.. well, I could just vomit.
...

A kid and his friend searching for magical balls that grant wishes, fighting evil-doers along the way.

THAT story.

That's not a story. That's a concept. The story is what the characters do with it.

Pitzu · Post by **Pitzu** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:57 pm

Gozar wrote:
Pitzu wrote:
Gozar wrote: Which is a BAD thing. DragonBall's greatest point is it's characters. The lovable dimwit Goku not "completely normal doesn't fit into a group at school and has a crush on Chi-Chi" Goku. What do people really expect? Fans to jump with joy over an adaption of Goku that is the opposite of all of his personality traits?

You know, supporters have been complaining for months that people against it have been jumping down the movies throat without any proof. I'll admit it's been like that since day 1. But now we have proof that this movie is nothing like DragonBall and the best people can come up with is "It's an adaption, not meant to be like the original. Live with it."...That's just a pathetic defense. This is a franchise that many people here have loved for a decase and beyond. To see it bastardaized in such a way is disgraceful.
Wait
You're praising Dragonballs Characters?

Wow, I'd agree if they had CHARACTER.
THEY NEVER DEVELOPED
THEY ALL STAYED THE EXACT SAME THE ENTIRE SERIES

Goku stayed naive and socially awkward
Bulma stayed whiney and bitchy, even after Trunks was born
Gohan had the same personality from birth to teenage years

The only person to actually have a change in personality is Vegeta.

I say Chatku has MORE personality than Goku, that Movie Bulma ISN'T as much of an annoying bitch as manga/anime bulma.

I don't like Dragonball for the characters, because they're pretty bland.
I like it for the Story, and thats why I'm a film supporter.
That has got to be the most ignorant statement I've ever heard. It sounds like you're just a typical Anime elitist who hates DragonBall. Though I doubt that's actually the case.

DragonBall may not be full of character development. However the characters do change over time. Yeah Goku's always socially awkward...That's because he's never around society for long periods of time. What do you expect? Though his character over time becomes far more merciful. He goes from his younger days of killing random red ribbon soliders in the blink of an eye. To someone who shows mercy to a galactic tyrant. So what if his general personality stays the same? Is that so uncommon in real life?

As for Bulma, by the Buu Era she settles down a great deal. Actually has developed from a flirt with men to having found love. Bulma isn't even bitchy in the Buu Era.

Gohan. How is he the same? He has a stronger sense of justice. Lost his fears of battle for the most part and takes pride in who he is.

All "Chatku" is is the stereotypical design of a teen angst character. The exact same thing we've seen with about 500 other different characters.

But it doesn't really matter what you think of the DB characters anyway. Regardless of your negativity, they are who they are. Chatku is not Goku. DragonBall Evolution is not DragonBall. The only similarity is character names and the actual concepts of the Dragon Balls.

Teen angst.

You got this all from one trailer?
I'm astounding at your deductive ability.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:58 pm

Pitzu wrote:Teen angst.

You got this all from one trailer?
I'm astounding at your deductive ability.

HAHAHAHHAHAHA!!! I give a decent length post and you brush by all of the important stuff and pick that out? Come on man.

As for the teen angst. I'm going by this potential script preview.

Rena Rune · Post by **Rena Rune** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:59 pm

"What friends?" he replies. "I don't fit into any group."
"You're special, Goku," Gohan explains.
"Sometimes... they push me so far I want to explode. I could tear them apart with one hand."
"I don't train you to fight with boys."
"Then why am I doing this? Teach me something useful. Teach me how to be normal."

What. Since when was Goku in any way content to be "Normal". He likes fighting strong guys and monkeying about the place. Much of the humour in Dragonball was derived from how different Goku was.

I know the movie supporter brigade will bash me for this, but this isn't just a "different" Goku, it's an inferior one. We have enough characters like this already.

"Just because my name is Chi-Chi doesn't mean I'm an idiot."

This is an autistic teenager level of writing

Come on.

I dislike that Oozaru Goku doesn't kill Gohan, but Piccolo. It's just another Kung Fu vengence story now. It's more interesting the other way around, but I guess it's too heavy for a western audience. If you don't introduce them to new things they'll never learn to appreciate them -_-

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:02 pm

Gozar wrote:Regardless of your negativity, they are who they are. Chatku is not Goku. DragonBall Evolution is not DragonBall. The only similarity is character names and the actual concepts of the Dragon Balls.

I guess the Dub can't be considered Dragon Ball either since it has as many changes as the movie...If not more.

Seriously though Goku meets Bulma, They go hunting for Dragon Balls, They meet Roshi, They meet Yamcha in the desert, Piccolo blows some shit up, throw a tournament in there, blah blah blah. Sounds pretty much the same give or take some details. Like I said...Alternate Universe!

Pitzu · Post by **Pitzu** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:03 pm

Gozar wrote:
Pitzu wrote:Teen angst.

You got this all from one trailer?
I'm astounding at your deductive ability.
HAHAHAHHAHAHA!!! I give a decent length post and you brush by all of the important stuff and pick that out? Come on man.

As for the teen angst. I'm going by this potential script preview.

Trailer + Potential Script =/= Movie.

All the film haters I see are judging it based off a trailer and what someone on a forum said.
Its just stupid to me.

I'm going to make this prediction, right here, right now.

I say this.

The movie will be decent.
It won't suck, but it won't be great.
It'll be the Dragonball equivalent of The Punisher, a decent adaption that didn't really capture the character of the punisher, instead having him be whiny and a pussy for 90% of the film.
Not a bad movie, but not the greatest.

Guess what, FANS of the comic still love it.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:04 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote:
Gozar wrote:Regardless of your negativity, they are who they are. Chatku is not Goku. DragonBall Evolution is not DragonBall. The only similarity is character names and the actual concepts of the Dragon Balls.
I guess the Dub can't be considered Dragon Ball either since it has as many changes as the movie...If not more.

Seriously though Goku meets Bulma, They go hunting for Dragon Balls, They meet Roshi, They meet Yamcha in the desert, Piccolo blows some shit up, throw a tournament in there, blah blah blah. Sounds pretty much the same give or take some details. Like I said...Alternate Universe!

Correct. I consider the Dub to be an different universe. Same with the Movies. The only stuff I'll defend in the Dub is the dialogue that's in character.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:06 pm

Pitzu wrote: The movie will be decent.
It won't suck, but it won't be great.
Not a bad movie, but not the greatest.

Probably will be. But not a DragonBall Movie. It doesn't matter if it's a GREAT movie. That doesn't mean it's even a passable DB Movie.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:07 pm

Pitzu wrote:The movie will be decent.
It won't suck, but it won't be great.

I'd bet my own life it'll be better than "The Forbidden Kingdom".

Pitzu · Post by **Pitzu** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:08 pm

Gozar wrote:
Pitzu wrote: The movie will be decent adaption.
It won't suck, but it won't be great.
Not a bad one, but not the greatest adaption.
Probably will be. But not a DragonBall Movie. It doesn't matter if it's a GREAT movie. That doesn't mean it's even a passable DB Movie.

There, bolded new words to fit in with reference to The Punisher