Dragon Ball: Evolution- Speculation and Discussion

Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
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Post by Kingdom Heartless » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:10 pm

But yeah, I only joined in with my opinion when people were starting to insult people for not agreeing with their point of view. And what did I get for that? Told I didn't belong in this thread because I couldn't 'debate properly'. Oy..
Well, see, I find that stupid. I get the feeling that the movie is bringing out the ugliest side of the fandom, with people ripping on others for their opinions... I don't see the need for this forum to become IMDb, with all the eyeroll emoticons (no offense Bussani :wink: ) and the pretense that an opinion isn't worth as much if a person can't word it as prettily as someone else. I'm a terrible debater (In case you hadn't already noticed), and I still like to think that my opinion is worth a damn. Hell, I was put off IMDb because of comments like "it stands to reason you would also like Indiana Jones 4," and it seems we're going down the road where by June it will be like "it stands to reason you would also like Dragonball: Evolution." :P

But at the end of the day, I know I love Dragon Ball, and if people want to put down people for not hating the movie, then I feel that's showing poorer form as a fan of the series than anything.
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Post by Conan the SSJ » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:12 pm

JAPPO wrote:Since this is now "live-action movie general discussion thread"...

www.dragonballthemovie.com

There. Official site up. It's pretty boring. Just the trailer.
And they're only less than 3 months behind the US premier. >>
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Post by Bussani » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:25 pm

Chuquita wrote:I'm not sure how I feel about the logo being trapped in capslock
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Post by Bussani » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:32 pm

Kingdom Heartless wrote:no offense Bussani
None taken.

...Oh! And I agree with everything else you said as well. This movie definitely is bringing out the worst in people, just like Transformers did. And for the record, I'm a huge fan of G1 Transformers and I thought the Transformers LAM was an excellent and entertaining film, as did my other two long time G1 friends, despite one or two flaws. If this film entertains me as much as that one did, then I'll be pleased.

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Post by SSJ2bardock » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:30 pm

Chuquita wrote: I'm not sure how I feel about the logo being trapped in capslock, but its definitely of a higher quality than the previous logo.
Haven't Dragonball related logos always been all capitalized? I know Z's is, I'm pretty sure the Dragonball one is too.
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Post by bkev » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:33 pm

The tankoubon sure is...
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Post by Olivier Hague » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:44 pm

omegacwa wrote:You, Oliver Hague and Daburcor should take your overly negative opinions and make a topic where all you do is complain about how awful and evil the movie is! I have never seen such ridiculous over-reaction in my life, outside of religious fundamentalists and hardcore gang members.
Gee, thanks. I was obviously spamming this topic, too.
And "over-reaction"? Shit, I'm barely reacting to this movie. I thought it was a stupid idea to begin with, so I'm definitely not depressed, outraged or anything over what we've seen/heard so far. I just don't care. It amuses me, at most.
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Post by Chuquita » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:47 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote:
Chuquita wrote: I'm not sure how I feel about the logo being trapped in capslock, but its definitely of a higher quality than the previous logo.
Haven't Dragonball related logos always been all capitalized? I know Z's is, I'm pretty sure the Dragonball one is too.

*Does a quick google search*


Capslock DB logos: Viz standard releases and Tankobon
Caps + Lowercase: VizBigs and the Kanzenban


Its an even split. :mrgreen:
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Post by DominatorLost » Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:36 am

I don't know what's going on but I can't find this review, some help please?

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Post by MisterFlashdude » Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:41 am

DominatorLost wrote:I don't know what's going on but I can't find this review, some help please?
It's been removed because the person made it up.

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Post by DominatorLost » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:44 am

So I learned.

Seriously guys, there's no need to overreact to this, you're only making yourselves seem stupid, but then again I'm late on this.

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Post by Rena Rune » Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:29 am

I found some more good rebuttals to common arguments of crappy movies.


I've "toned down" some of the comments. :roll:
5. "Why do you review things you hate? If you don't like it, ignore it."

Why do I review crap? Simple: for pleasure. For the sheer joy of it. Every piece of crap you like is an immense world of delight waiting to be explored. Crap is a driving force, crap is inspirational: nothing urges me to set things right more than seeing them done wrong. I'm especially pleased when the crap is so bad it makes me angry — for anger is a pleasant sensation. To feel your bile rise and your blood boil, to feel a rush of fury — why, it's the pleasure of being alive, of feeling some actual emotion instead of the constant dull fuzz of the easily contented.

Why should I deny myself such pleasures? You preach abstinence, but that's because you're a Puritan. When you look at criticism, you see only whines and complaints; you fail to see the joy. Energy is eternal delight (as they say where I come from), and to damn something with energy is a more joyous and thrilling act than to ignore it, or say "it's nice", or fob it off with other half-hearted compliments.
6. "Art is subjective. If I like it, it's good. It's all a matter of opinion."

Yes, and your opinion isn't worth crap. In spite of the morass of subjectivity you'd drag us into, there are such things as artistic standards — common standards, shared among certain groups of people, people who know what they're talking about, people who express themselves better than others. Better according to whom? According to me. (It's all subjective, remember?) Objective standards might not exist in the realm of art, but these inter-subjective standards fulfil their role quite adequately. And they still allow plenty of room for argument and opinion.

In any case, your comment is made in bad faith. You've come in the level-headed guise of one advocating reason and common sense, but in truth your only aim is to justify your own juvenile opinions. "If I like it, it's good" is an excuse never to confront the flaws in the things you like, never to question your opinions, for fear you've built your fanboy life on piss-weak foundations.
7. "Some people like it, some don't. PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS. THERE ARE GOOD THINGS AND BAD THINGS ABOUT EVERYTHING. END OF STORY. I wish everyone would shut up!"

Yes, no one should ever express an opinion about anything, much less contrary opinions, you stupid arse. You've stepped into the middle of a argument like some grandstanding politico, trying save the day, putting the argument to rest with some shouted platitudes. You probably think you are quite the shotgun diplomat, but your act convinces no one. For under your performance, as plain as day, is a grieving, wounded fanboy, whining about the nasty people saying nasty things about what he likes. You never pipe up like this when you see wall-to-wall gush, which is all you want to see.
10. "You need to balance your opinion. Mention the good points as well as the bad."

Wrong. Something clearly messed up during your aesthetic development, and you've emerged with a country schoolmarm's ideal of beauty and proportion. Not to worry, I'll explain again slowly. There is no artistic imperative to balance one's criticism. The only motivation for "balance" is the opposite of art: politeness, courtesy towards the artist and his fans. Such courtesy is an offence against self-expression, calling on the critic to compromise himself so as to appease the proprieties and sensibilities of a few fanboys, who are all idiots anyway. The "balanced" critic is inevitably writing in chains, restricted to a formula: his reviews reek of insincerity and hackery, showing the severe strains of digging for faint praise.
This one a thousand times:
12. "You take things too seriously... lighten up. It's just entertainment...."

Your main problem, I suspect, is not that I take things too seriously — after all, you have no idea how much or little time I spend on this — but that I take them seriously at all. What you find offensive is that I consider the crap you like to be a subject of some importance and interest, that I apply certain critical standards to it, that I look at it in a context slightly wider than your lifetime's collection of navel lint....

In which case, you're damned right I take things seriously, you slack-jawed waste of space. Let me tell you a secret: the only people who ever did anything good, did it seriously. In particular, the only people who were ever entertaining took their entertainment seriously. The best comedians are always dead serious about comedy, studying it in depth, constantly exploring comic ideas, tirelessly working to improve their art — in fact, only serious people are ever funny. The real humourless bores are the slackers, the laid-back, the shallow, the trivial: people who spend their lives on their arses, sucking candy, swallowing the shit that's fed to them.

Serious people take an active interest and joy in the world; they participate in it, they strive to improve it, through their actions, through their art, through their presence. When serious people do things, they try to do them well; they don't settle for mediocrity in themselves, or in others. Unserious people — people like you — are the opposite: they settle for ignorance, they're content with crap, they're happy to be second-rate, and get second-rate treatment in return. Serious people make a serious contribution to the world, while you and other slackers contribute nothing but an ever-rising pile of human effluent.
You know, I might even enjoy Dragonball as a cheesy mystical Kung Fu flick. It doesn't change the fact that it's approach to the characters is wrong, and the arguments defending it are retarded.

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Post by SSJ2bardock » Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:35 am

Rena Rune wrote:You know, I might even enjoy Dragonball as a cheesy mystical Kung Fu flick. It doesn't change the fact that it's approach to the characters is wrong, and the arguments defending it are retarded.
The arguments are retarded why exactly? Because you don't agree with them right? Do you think you're some kind of debate master who can do no wrong because you really aren't. The only thing you've accomplished in this ginormous debacle that you started is making yourself look like a troll.
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Post by Rena Rune » Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:14 am

SSJ2bardock wrote:
Rena Rune wrote:You know, I might even enjoy Dragonball as a cheesy mystical Kung Fu flick. It doesn't change the fact that it's approach to the characters is wrong, and the arguments defending it are retarded.
The arguments are retarded why exactly? Because you don't agree with them right?
No, they're stupid for the reasons I stated. People who are genuinely extremely poor at debating always pull the "Because you don't agree with it" card. It's absurdly reductive, and is a flat out strawman.

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Post by SSJ2bardock » Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:33 am

You pulled the very same card yourself in this very same thread on me earlier, that's why I said it..... you must've forgotten that you did in your hypocrisy filled tirade.
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Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:I'm not going to let deviations from the source ruin my enjoyment of a potentially fun adventure/martial arts film that is a loose adaptation of a franchise I enjoy.
Probably one of the best posts I've ever seen in my time here.
Because you agree with it.
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Post by Pitzu » Fri Jan 16, 2009 11:07 am

I don't really want to read Rena's posts, so I'll just say this.

SHUT
THE
FUCK
UP

God dammit, I mean, learn what the hell a bastardization is before you go all apeshit insane on a MOVIE THAT ISNT EVEN OUT YET.'

Grow the fuck up.
Seriously.
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Post by SSJ2bardock » Fri Jan 16, 2009 11:14 am

You're going to get this thread locked with comments like that Pitzu, I fully realize that it's already on it's way, but flame bait like that is only going to speed up the process.

Just keep being polite like the rest of us and continue to let Rena Rune make a fool out of them self.
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Post by Chrono Trigger » Fri Jan 16, 2009 11:19 am

I don't see why everyone always has to suffer just because a few people insist on cursing each other out and being as sarcastic and snarky as humanly possible. It is possible to discuss this without it turning into something like that. :roll:
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Post by JAPPO » Fri Jan 16, 2009 11:28 am

The "holy movie text" is fun, comical and reminds me of an episode of the show. It's certainly better than that new "anime special."
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Post by Big Momma » Fri Jan 16, 2009 11:28 am

*Walks in*

*Looks around*

WHERE'S THE LOVE, PEOPLE!



So, anyway, I'm glad we finally have a site, now. I'm guessing the reason we didn't have a site yet is because we didn't have a domestic trailer. But now we do have one, so that's good.

I am very much looking forward to this movie, but the only concern I'm having is with the Hananh Montana movie. However, I haven't seen any advertising for that, either, and my sister is always watching Disney. So she would have been spleeing about it by now.

As much as I'd love for Chatku to beast out Miley in that opening weekend, I doubt that will happen. :(
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