Dragon Ball: Evolution- Speculation and Discussion

[jda95]

Thank You MIKE!

That's what I have been trying to say this whole time. You articulated it just the way I would have wanted to.

Yes it was a very good post.

I actually saw Mortal Kombat just recently and it was pretty damn awesome in a "this is so bad it's good" kind of way.

The first MK movie was allright, but the second was pretty poor.

[Chrono Trigger]

The first MK movie was allright, but the second was pretty poor.

At the time it came out the first Mortal Kombat was great. It captured the spirit of the games perfectly. Sure it wasn't as violent as it should have been but it was still good. I don't know what the hell happened with the second one but in comparison the first one is almost flawless. If Evolution was done in the same way there would be a lot less arguments.

[Xyex]

I actually saw Mortal Kombat just recently and it was pretty damn awesome in a "this is so bad it's good" kind of way.

Dude, you can't be serious. The original Mortal Kombat movie kicked major fucking ass. If Evolution is even half as good as that it'll still be an awesome movie.

Unless, of course, you mean MK:A. In which case, if Evolution is half as good as that... well, at least it'll still be better than The Magic Begins. >.>

[Rena Rune]

Rena Rune, if you don't like the people OR the admins on this board, then I don't know... leave?

I love how the board troll is saying this. Mike gives you a free pass to do whatever you want. It's not a case of what I like or dislike. The fact is, you, Mike, and the others are in the wrong. I do not like anyone, anywhere thinking like this, no matter how many of the board members claim they're happy with flat out bullying and ignorance. If I choose to stick with this line of argument as long as I can, it's my own perogative, and it's not your place to decide what's important to me anymore than it is for me to tell you, you absolutely can not like the movie.

Here are some wonderful quotes from Jappo:

You want to feel better about yourself by putting me down. That's understandable. I don't feel bad because I did nothing wrong, but continue to bash me if it'll help your problems.

I regret nothing I've said. Rena shouldn't be allowed near a computer if this is how she acts all the time.

EDIT: Delete please

Yeah that's what I thought.

Condescending, smarmy, ultimately insulting, and to Tweaker as well as me.

Not to mention volatile posts like this -

Wow. Because some fans aren't bitching like you we are "gullible"? Maybe some fans don't give a shit about minor details and just want to enjoy the movie for what it is, not for what some people want it to be.

Emphasis on the "Minor" details, and the complete strawman. This is just trolling.

I love how people utterly ignore this. This is why, as I explained already, I think this is one of those cases where it DOES come down to the fact that my opinion opposes yours.

I honestly don't believe Mike is competent enough to even NOTICE that these are deeply condescending and insulting posts. If he is, why does he not deal with these comments publically, to show they are not acceptable? This is not the first thread Jappo has done this in.

Her ego, it's bigger than.... than.... Vegeta's!

What kind of purpose do these comments serve, seriously? It takes a massive amount of arrogance, or the ability to be completely oblivious to make volatile statements like this when accusing someone else of being an aggressor.

THIS is a baseless insult. But apparently since it doesn't have the word "fuck" in it, it's not. And I guarantee if I kept my cool, you'd find another excuse.

Dammit, if any of you were to look at Mike or Jappo rationally you'd see what I see too. What Mike is doing is insane, picking entirely on one member in the middle of an argument with many different heated comments. And did everyone miss Jappo's scuffle with Tweaker a few pages back? Why is it okay to be a condescending, smarmy troll, but not to get angry and say "fuck"?

[Innagadadavida]

Her ego, it's bigger than.... than.... Vegeta's!

What kind of purpose do these comments serve, seriously? It takes a massive amount of arrogance, or the ability to be completely oblivious to make volatile statements like this when accusing someone else of being an aggressor.

THIS is a baseless insult. But apparently since it doesn't have the word "fuck" in it, it's not. And I guarantee if I kept my cool, you'd find another excuse.

You are correct. That comment served no purpose. I was trying to make a joke at the expense of you, considering that the whole thread was against you, which was very shitty of myself. I apologize. It was completely uncalled for and did nothing to end this whole argument which is what we all should strive for.

[Rena Rune]

Her ego, it's bigger than.... than.... Vegeta's!

What kind of purpose do these comments serve, seriously? It takes a massive amount of arrogance, or the ability to be completely oblivious to make volatile statements like this when accusing someone else of being an aggressor.

THIS is a baseless insult. But apparently since it doesn't have the word "fuck" in it, it's not. And I guarantee if I kept my cool, you'd find another excuse.

You are correct. That comment served no purpose. I was trying to make a joke at the expense of you, considering that the whole thread was against you, which was very shitty of myself. I apologize. It was completely uncalled for and did nothing to end this whole argument which is what we all should strive for.

This is the correct answer.

Good job

(sorry if that came off bad, it wasn't meant to).

What we should strive for is to calm everyone down, including me. But when I'm the one person that's getting all the bad stick from even the admin, is it really fair?

[SSJ2bardock]

You went on to give a ridiculous defense based on length

Clearly my defense is ridiculous in comparison to the almighty RuneTroll

You ARE actually wrong on this one, and it's not a matter of opinion. The language I use does NOT nullify any coherent points I have made.

I don't know what country you're living in but in the United States if Barack Obama were to get up and make his state of the Union speech using the "N word" and cursing profusely then yeah actually it would nullify whatever he's saying and that's the same mentality people have towards someone who uses 4chan slang on the internet. But then again, as you stated in the above quote I have no choice in this matter because I am clearly wrong

giving me no chance to rebuke your quite frankly insulting accusations.

I've insulted you on the internetz because the internetz is serious fucking business.

Clearly you have a personal interest in me as an opponent you keep throwing shit at(one of the reasons I'm still around) even after I've clearly lost interest you as one. Quite frankly, knock it off.

Mike you have a rival!

What we should strive for is to calm everyone down, including me. But when I'm the one person that's getting all the bad stick from even the admin, is it really fair?

Yes, I'd say it's more than fair that Mike hasn't banned you yet. You're the source of almost every problem we've had here since you joined, there's no debating that.

[JAPPO]

Rena Rune, you are absolutely right about everything.

[SSJ2bardock]

Rena Rune, you are absolutely right about everything.

Your sarcasm is over 9000!

....... sorry about that, I had to!

[Tweaker]

What people don't realize is that all of these instigative, provocative comments do not help. When you see Rena--who you define as the cause of all of this argument--create what is absolutely a reasonable compromise, then you go with it to end the shitstorm, not take stabs to try and prolong it. I read Rena's post in its entirety and there was absolutely nothing wrong with it, and yet I see people coming in and making selective quotes, making one liners full of faux-wit, and overall mutual dick stroking to a massive degree.

This is not how you resolve a conflict. I stand firmly by the notion that Jappo's comments--both towards me and Rena--were totally out of line and totally unacceptable, and he should be help responsible for that. Mike, if you can come out and call out Rena the way you did, then it's only fair that you call out Jappo as well. There is no excuse for the way he outright came at me the way he did with such disrespect--I expected more out of a member of this forum. That is not cool, and it certainly is not encouraging to someone with a legitimate interest and a sound enough mind to contribute well towards this community. I don't want to toot my own horn, but I hardly think I'm among the lesser intelligent inhabitants of this message board. I'm not unreasonable, and I don't provoke conflict with the people here. I like the people here.

I understand that you're the admin and that your say goes, Mike, but I think a bit of common courtesy and understanding of this situation would do a lot to help resolve this conflict. Rena isn't dumb, I'm not dumb, and you're not dumb. Nobody here is dumb--just conflicted. This is nothing we can't all work out together. Let's give it a shot, dudes.

[Rena Rune]

Clearly my defense is ridiculous in comparison to the almighty RuneTroll

You have no right to call anyone a troll expect yourself.

I don't know what country you're living in but in the United States if Barack Obama were to get up and make his state of the Union speech using the "N word" and cursing profusely then yeah actually it would nullify whatever he's saying and that's the same mentality people have towards someone who uses 4chan slang on the internet. But then again, as you stated in the above quote I have no choice in this matter because I am clearly wrong Laughing

You goddamn moron. This is only because the masses are unable to distinct between style and substance in of itself.

Heck, you could make the same argument for the fact that he's simply black, which is an element of style. Wouldn't it be better for them to put forward a white candidate? If this is true, the fault lies with the public for being so goddamn racist, and the other have to work around this.

Yes, I'd say it's more than fair that Mike hasn't banned you yet. You're the source of almost every problem we've had here since you joined, there's no debating that.

Jesus christ I've had enough of you. You're sitting there laughing, provoking someone you know is poor at dealing with being provoked. And then have the almost supernatural nerve and arrogance to suggest the person you're targetting is in the wrong? There's no debating that? Of course there isn't when you're a delusion little muppet who honestly believe's Jappo's comments were called for.

It is completely unfair for me to have to take this shit, and for you to then bitch at me for reacting to it. How childish can you get? Your comments have been consistently nothing but shitflinging.

This is why it's such a bad idea that Mike is an admin here. Mike could not give a shit if you were talking about raping children in this thread. He will ignore it, and focus on me. Your actions as a leader in a social environment affect the attitudes people carry elsewhere.

Now you're going to carry that smarmy, sick little attitude and go to some other forum at some other point, and the attidue ends up spreading.

If I'm the source of every problem here, am I also to blame for your near sociopathic lack of ethics and ability to put yourself in someone else's shoes? How does that work exactly. Obviously there are a lot of problems in this forum I have NOTHING to do with.

[Chrono Trigger]

Nobody here is dumb--just conflicted. This is nothing we can't all work out together. Let's give it a shot, dudes.

Exactly. So can we please just drop it and talk about the topic at hand?

[Jerseymilk]

Clearly you have a personal interest in me as an opponent you keep throwing shit at(one of the reasons I'm still around) even after I've clearly lost interest you as one.

I'm the only one that makes this fuss because I'm a rare individual.

It's a theory. *shrug* >>

="Rena Rude"]deal with the real trolls like Jappo before they aggrivate people

and you've only aggrivated it by focusing almost entirely on the aggrivated member.

You are aggrivating instead of alleviating,

It's spelled "aggravated" by the way. Just for future reference because I'm sure you'll be using it a lot again after you read this.

[Rena Rune]

What people don't realize is that all of these instigative, provocative comments do not help. When you see Rena--who you define as the cause of all of this argument--create what is absolutely a reasonable compromise, then you go with it to end the shitstorm, not take stabs to try and prolong it. I read Rena's post in its entirety and there was absolutely nothing wrong with it, and yet I see people coming in and making selective quotes, making one liners full of faux-wit, and overall mutual dick stroking to a massive degree.

This is not how you resolve a conflict. I stand firmly by the notion that Jappo's comments--both towards me and Rena--were totally out of line and totally unacceptable, and he should be help responsible for that. Mike, if you can come out and call out Rena the way you did, then it's only fair that you call out Jappo as well. There is no excuse for the way he outright came at me the way he did with such disrespect--I expected more out of a member of this forum. That is not cool, and it certainly is not encouraging to someone with a legitimate interest and a sound enough mind to contribute well towards this community. I don't want to toot my own horn, but I hardly think I'm among the lesser intelligent inhabitants of this message board. I'm not unreasonable, and I don't provoke conflict with the people here. I like the people here.

I understand that you're the admin and that your say goes, Mike, but I think a bit of common courtesy and understanding of this situation would do a lot to help resolve this conflict. Rena isn't dumb, I'm not dumb, and you're not dumb. Nobody here is dumb--just conflicted. This is nothing we can't all work out together. Let's give it a shot, dudes.

I'm unsure Mike is "dumb", but this is the third time he's done this, so I have a hard time seeing him have any ability to admin. I'm unsure what's the point of having such a standard as a "good admin". I mean man, I don't actually like to fight with people. But this is too much, and I'm giving him every chance. I'm not even asking he doesn't lecture me at all, just makes it even and fair across the board. The fact that I'm not banned doesn't help if he's only going to do this every time anyway, it's worse, it's making me into a punch bag

Again I do not care how many people support this line of action, or how many people think it's awesomecool to think concepts like logic and reason and basic ethics do not apply to them. If you consider me abusive and abrasive, then at least please try and be "Better" than I am, and try and show some basic respect. If you do it, then I will too. I'm not going to respect people that are making me into a scapegoat - why would I?

[Tweaker]

Nobody here is dumb--just conflicted. This is nothing we can't all work out together. Let's give it a shot, dudes.

Exactly. So can we please just drop it and talk about the topic at hand?

Dropping a subject doesn't resolve it, dude--it just brushes it to the side. Nothing has been resolved and everyone still holds the same kind of malice towards each other. Do you really want to just go through all this again next month?

[Rena Rune]

Nobody here is dumb--just conflicted. This is nothing we can't all work out together. Let's give it a shot, dudes.

Exactly. So can we please just drop it and talk about the topic at hand?

No, because that's an artificial way to end the argument. Mike will only do the same thing again in another thread, Jappo will, that goddamn troll SSJBardock2 as well. People need to actually resolve this.

I am fully prepared to be a productive member here, and I have no reason to bitch about Mike if he does his job right. Again, owning a forum does not absolve you from basic ethics. Doing things "his" way can still be mean and unfair.

[SSJ2bardock]

Nobody here is dumb--just conflicted. This is nothing we can't all work out together. Let's give it a shot, dudes.

Exactly. So can we please just drop it and talk about the topic at hand?

We tried that and in theory it should work, but when somebody is constantly quoting people with an opposing opinion and profanely tells them that they're flat out wrong people tend to become "aggravated".

that goddamn troll SSJBardock2

[Rena Rune]

Nobody here is dumb--just conflicted. This is nothing we can't all work out together. Let's give it a shot, dudes.

Exactly. So can we please just drop it and talk about the topic at hand?

We tried that and in theory it should work, .

You haven't tried anything. You've been nothing but abusive and unresponsive. You are not a part of this discussion until you can learn to drop it. You ARE flat out wrong. This is not acceptable conduct on any forum, no matter how you feel about my aggression.

Your entire last post was nothing but mockery and provocation, yet you have the nerve to act like you're one of the reasonable ones. Nowhere do I make posts like that. I have the respect, if push comes to shove, to call someone an asshole instead of trying to mock their whole existence.

[Chrono Trigger]

Dropping a subject doesn't resolve it, dude--it just brushes it to the side. Nothing has been resolved and everyone still holds the same kind of malice towards each other. Do you really want to just go through all this again next month?

I guess you're right but it doesn't seem like people are trying to work it out or agree to disagree or let bygones by bygones. It's just back and forth.

[Rena Rune]

Dropping a subject doesn't resolve it, dude--it just brushes it to the side. Nothing has been resolved and everyone still holds the same kind of malice towards each other. Do you really want to just go through all this again next month?

I guess you're right but it doesn't seem like people are trying to work it out or agree to disagree or let bygones by bygones. It's just back and forth.

I hate to say it but that's why the idea of "Logic" exists in a debate. When you have a set standard to check arguments by, the idea is that eventually a flaw will be found, and the argument will not be consistantly cyclical. Ideas like "this is how we do things here, fuck off" are a rejection of the idea of mature discussion in of itself. SSJ2Bardock's entire posting style is a rejection of mature discussion. I would have no problem engaging him if every one of his points wasn't a mockery of what I'm trying to say.

The other problem is the lack of moderation, too. As for bygones, man, Mike seems the need to bring up my ENTIRE forum history in every post. What the fuck, seriously?