Dragon Ball Z Being Re-edited and Re-dubbed for HDTV

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:05 pm

I just can't understand how some people can be so negative about this sort of thing. It's new Dragon Ball stuff. NEW DRAGON BALL STUFF. After 20 years, we're still seeing something new, even if it's just a remastering or editing or whatever.

I just don't get it. Even if it sucks, we'll still have the original.

Edit: Once again, what NeptuneKai says. People have opinions, everyone's opinion is different, that's fine. When it's an opinion like "I like this show" that can't be argued with, it can't be wrong. It's personal. But that doesn't mean you're not allowed to point out when someone's logic doesn't make sense.

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:09 pm

PrincessVegeta wrote:
NeptuneKai wrote:I find it just awesome and funny how some dub fans are getting defensive over preserving their version of the show without any "stupid" changes or cuts. We may be starting this whole "dub vs. sub" debate back into full force only this time with "original vs. abridged".

Anyhow I'm still super psyched about this project and it's fast approaching! I'm actually more excited to see the dub. Cell games onward shows Funi can follow a Japanese script. All the VA's are at the top of their game too. If the orange bricks are any indication they may just leave the music alone as well. This just might be the ultimate dub some of us were waiting for.
abridged is a disgrase to the entire dubbed dragonball franchise... enough said.

Uh... do you mean the TFS Abridged or the abridging of the series itself? Because if it's the latter, I hardly see how abridging the series to get rid of filler and trim some things down is a disgrace to anything, let alone the dub.

However, if you mean the former... well, that's why we (and by "we" I mean fans of the Japanese version) love it.

Now, look here lady--

NeptuneKai wrote:(and that's a man)

...

Are you trying to screw with our minds?

Female name, female avatar... your logic mystifies me.

Tweaker · Post by **Tweaker** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:11 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:Which is why you have to pick the smart opinion to side with.

I disagree with this sentiment. I believe the only opinion you should side with is one you can justify well enough from your point of view to where anyone can understand it. Even if they can't, they're still entitled to it; it doesn't mean people have to take it with anything more than a grain of salt, though. ;P

Also, re:authority... since when is anyone an authority on anything? Am I an authority on Dragon Ball by making a smart sounding post using Dragon Ball-related terms in it? Only you define the worth of someone else's words to yourself; the only time you can judge it otherwise is when it affects a community as a whole.

But this is just going in circles now.

Once again, what NeptuneKai says. People have opinions, everyone's opinion is different, that's fine. When it's an opinion like "I like this show" that can't be argued with, it can't be wrong. It's personal. But that doesn't mean you're not allowed to point out when someone's logic doesn't make sense.

An opinion can't be right or wrong--it's an opinion. A belief. An interpretation of subjective observation. Call it what you will, but it is not and does not intend to present itself as fact. This is why you can't really be right or wrong when it comes to an opinion; you just have people support it or condemn it. The world keeps on turning~

As for pointing out when someone's logic doesn't make sense... that's exactly what I did. I just pointed out that the pointed-out logic wasn't particularly logical and oh god TIME PARADOX. But I guess we both tried to do the same thing in a roundabout way. =P

Also, for the record, "logic" remains consistent no matter what the context is in the argument; what you're referring to is "reasoning." It's a very important difference that you should keep in mind, because it's based on individual interpretation; conversely, logic is consistent. That's why it's a great basis on which to debate.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:13 pm

The Tori-bot wrote:

Are you trying to screw with our minds?

Yes PrincessVegeta is Gokuden who came to this forum boasting about his bootlegs and when people called him a moron he cried and left (or was banned I'm not certain which.) Now he pops in as a woman to try and give his input without people judging him by his "Gokuden" name but nobody takes him seriously anymore regardless.

jda95 · Post by **jda95** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:13 pm

I don't see how he/she could not like the removal of filler. I would certaintly enjoy a 7 episode Goku/Freeza fight.

Rena Rune · Post by **Rena Rune** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:14 pm

God you guys never learn.

Don't worry, now I've posted in this thread, Mike will ignore absolutely everything in the thread except for me, so you can say what the fuck you like without fear of moderation action.

And now, back to being gone.

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:14 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:
The Tori-bot wrote:

Are you trying to screw with our minds?
Yes PrincessVegeta is Gokuden who came to this forum boasting about his bootlegs and when people called him a moron he cried and left (or was banned I'm not certain which.) Now he pops in as a woman to try and give his input without people judging him by his "Gokuden" name but nobody takes him seriously anymore regardless.

Not to derail this topic, but... how was this conclusion (that PrincessVegeta is this Gokuden person) reached?

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:14 pm

Yeah, okay, great. From now on we'll all just sit around shouting 'opinions' at each other and taking them with grains of salt without commenting on how they don't make sense. Because they're opinions, and because of that even if they don't make sense, it's wrong for us to point it out.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:17 pm

Tweaker wrote: I disagree with this sentiment. I believe the only opinion you should side with is one you can justify well enough from your point of view to where anyone can understand it. Even if they can't, they're still entitled to it; it doesn't mean people have to take it with anything more than a grain of salt, though. ;P

I don't understand what you're saying. You should only side with the opinion you can understand and justify in your own mind despite any logic? And they should stick with said opinion even if people have proven it to be illogical?

Tweaker wrote: Also, re:authority... since when is anyone an authority on anything? Am I an authority on Dragon Ball by making a smart sounding post using Dragon Ball-related terms in it? Only you define the worth of someone else's words to yourself; the only time you can judge it otherwise is when it affects a community as a whole.

Perhaps I used the wrong word. I was looking more for a term like "credibility"

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:17 pm

The Tori-bot wrote:
NeptuneKai wrote:
The Tori-bot wrote:

Are you trying to screw with our minds?
Yes PrincessVegeta is Gokuden who came to this forum boasting about his bootlegs and when people called him a moron he cried and left (or was banned I'm not certain which.) Now he pops in as a woman to try and give his input without people judging him by his "Gokuden" name but nobody takes him seriously anymore regardless.
Not to derail this topic, but... how was this conclusion (that PrincessVegeta is this Gokuden person) reached?

Matching IP addresses.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:18 pm

Bussani wrote:I just can't understand how some people can be so negative about this sort of thing. It's new Dragon Ball stuff. NEW DRAGON BALL STUFF. After 20 years, we're still seeing something new, even if it's just a remastering or editing or whatever.

I just don't get it. Even if it sucks, we'll still have the original.

That was a sentiment I made earlier, but now the fear is that with this new one coming out they'll stop releasing DVDs of the original.

Personally, if the new one doesn't turn out to be total garbage they can put the original on ice and I won't care. Less is more when it comes to filler.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:20 pm

Kendamu wrote:
Bussani wrote:I just can't understand how some people can be so negative about this sort of thing. It's new Dragon Ball stuff. NEW DRAGON BALL STUFF. After 20 years, we're still seeing something new, even if it's just a remastering or editing or whatever.

I just don't get it. Even if it sucks, we'll still have the original.
That was a sentiment I made earlier, but now the fear is that with this new one coming out they'll stop releasing DVDs of the original.

Personally, if the new one doesn't turn out to be total garbage they can put the original on ice and I won't care. Less is more when it comes to filler.

I guess it would be a shame if the original version wasn't available on DVD anymore, but...haven't we had enough releases of the original already? Bah, I just don't see it happening. They might go a few years without releasing it, then decide they can make more money by releasing the original, untrimmed version on ultra gold-ray fuzzy disk or something.

Kienzan88gt · Post by **Kienzan88gt** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:28 pm

I'm very excited to be able to see Dragon Ball Z on Japanese TV (You have to love KeyholeTV

). I'm pretty sure that DBZ won't be an hour long, because right after 9 AM on Sundays, One Piece comes on at 9:30 AM. Now I love Dragon Ball, but they won't fill up One Piece's time slot

, I'd prefer a half hour length like other shows get. So, I'm very much looking forward to Dragon Ball Z in HD, new Dragon Ball, why wouldn't anyone not be excited about this?

SaiyaMel · Post by **SaiyaMel** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:31 pm

I'm excited about this. For now, all my attention here is fixed on this thread.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:36 pm

Kendamu wrote:I read it more as in we'll get the same songs, but they'll reanimate the opening and ending because it says that the opening and ending will be "redone."

Well, the article says "complete renewal of the opening and ending songs".
Considering the overall "remastering / redubbing" context, it could simply mean new recordings of the same songs, but...

Bussani wrote:
Tweaker wrote:Oh jeez, I hope not. The original openings were awesome as-is; to arbitrarily change that might upset more than just a few people.
"You changed it, now it sucks."
No offense, but you guys can be really picky. There's nothing wrong with the original Chala Head Chala or the special version of it. Do they really have to recreate it again for people to be satisfied?

I... don't follow you. What are you saying, exactly?

JAPPO wrote:So let me get this straight. They are condensing and adapting the series... sounds like something else.

Wow.
"Nice try" would be a wild exaggeration, and I'm simply not that kind anyway...

Kendamu wrote:Essentially, besides a few touch-ups and some re-dubbing, they're chopping out the filler.

That's not confirmed. It's just a likely theory based on a rumor, so far.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:37 pm

Kienzan88gt wrote:I'm very excited to be able to see Dragon Ball Z on Japanese TV (You have to love KeyholeTV ).

What?

*searches KeyholeTV on Google*

*stumbles upon some amazing results*

I... love... you!

Kienzan88gt · Post by **Kienzan88gt** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:41 pm

Kendamu wrote:
Kienzan88gt wrote:I'm very excited to be able to see Dragon Ball Z on Japanese TV (You have to love KeyholeTV ).
What?

*searches KeyholeTV on Google*

*stumbles upon some amazing results*

I... love... you!

good job finding it, I think everyone should know about KeyholeTV, it's a legal way of watching shows from Japan. It may be in low quality but at least you'll be able to watch a show live, which is always fun

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The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:55 pm

Kienzan88gt wrote:
Kendamu wrote:
Kienzan88gt wrote:I'm very excited to be able to see Dragon Ball Z on Japanese TV (You have to love KeyholeTV ).
What?

*searches KeyholeTV on Google*

*stumbles upon some amazing results*

I... love... you!
good job finding it, I think everyone should know about KeyholeTV, it's a legal way of watching shows from Japan. It may be in low quality but at least you'll be able to watch a show live, which is always fun .

There was another program I used to use to watch stuff when it was on in America, Australia and some other countries, it only had the BOOORING Japanese channels.

Also, This is pretty damn awesome.

Super Sayian Prime · Post by **Super Sayian Prime** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:11 pm

If Funimation picks this up it'll probably be marketed as "The Definitive Director's Cut Of DragonBall Z! They way manga artist Akira Toriyama envisioned it! DragonBall Z Refreshed Season One coming soon to Blu-Ray.". But considering they didn't pick up the Dragon Box footage, I'm puzzled if they'll pick this up.

Also, the audio is likely being done for HD purposes. The original audio wasn't even in Stereo, so trying to do good on would be interesting.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:14 pm

Super Saiyan Prime wrote:If Funimation picks this up it'll probably be marketed as "The Definitive Director's Cut Of DragonBall Z! They way manga artist Akira Toriyama envisioned it! DragonBall Z Refreshed Season One coming soon to Blu-Ray.". But considering they didn't pick up the Dragon Box footage, I'm puzzled if they'll pick this up.

Also, the audio is likely being done for HD purposes. The original audio wasn't even in Stereo, so trying to do good on would be interesting.

Funimation will never admit someone called Akira Toriyama created Dragon Ball. Except in credit text, because everyone knows kids can't read.