Dragon Ball: Evolution- Speculation and Discussion

Snail · Post by **Snail** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:18 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:
Wow, was this really necessary?

Wow, were some of the alterations within the film necessary? More specifically, fished faced saiyans? Give me a fucking break.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:22 am

Here we go again.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:23 am

Snail wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:
Wow, was this really necessary?
Wow, were some of the alterations within the film necessary? More specifically, fished faced saiyans? Give me a fucking break.

You can express your opinion without resorting to IMDB and YouTube-level remarks.

Also, fish-faced saiyans? No... the Oozaru is one of the most faithful designs.

Snail · Post by **Snail** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:27 am

I'm venting with a colorful arrangement of words. It's nothing personal.

I'm simply saying: I hate certain aspects of this film, and I hate the fact that some of these changes are deemed 'creative' by some. It's atrocious really. I m o of course.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:27 am

Snail wrote:Wow, were some of the alterations within the film necessary? More specifically, fished faced saiyans? Give me a fucking break.

Maybe not, but there's no reason to act so offended. It's not like Mr. Wong did something to personally harm or insult you. He just made a movie based on a cartoon, and took some perfectly legitimate and intriguing creative liberties in the process. But if such low-brow reactions are even going to start permeating through supposedly high-class fansites like Daizex... I can see why it may have been smart for him to disregard the fandom's opinions.

Also, movie Oozaru is quite definitely a monkey, not a fish.

Snail · Post by **Snail** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:31 am

JAPPO wrote: Also, fish-faced saiyans? No... the Oozaru is one of the most faithful designs.

I was under the impression that the Oozarus would revert into the fish-faced beings after the moon is no longer full.

Please tell me I'm wrong sir.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:34 am

Snail wrote:I was under the impression that the Oozarus would revert into the fish-faced beings after the moon is no longer full.

Please tell me I'm wrong sir.

Supposedly no, they don't typically revert at all; Oozaru seems to be some sort of 'true' Saiyan form that they grow into at a certain age (one HELL of a puberty, that). It seems Goku manages to force himself back into his regular humanoid self.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:35 am

Snail wrote:
JAPPO wrote: Also, fish-faced saiyans? No... the Oozaru is one of the most faithful designs.
I was under the impression that the Oozarus would revert into the fish-faced beings after the moon is no longer full.

Please tell me I'm wrong sir.

That doesn't make a bit of sense.

ImmortalSandwich · Post by **ImmortalSandwich** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:35 am

SSj Kaboom: Wow well when you put it that way, it doesn't sound as bad.. I guess this is a lot like the American Godzilla movie in a sense. I keep looking at all this different stuff and thinking "Oh my god this is not Dragon Ball.. It's something else with the DB's name slapped on the cover.", but really, I guess there's enough for it to still be Dragon Ball.. I guess..

I don't know, all this is really speculation at this point. Maybe I'm wrong and the movie is going to be awesome. I guess I'll just have to watch it with an open mind. Maybe if I pretend I've never seen the original DB before, I can forget about all the changes and respect it for what it is, weather it's good or bad.. I'll try it anyway.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:38 am

ImmortalSandwich wrote:Maybe if I pretend I've never seen the original DB before, I can forget about all the changes and respect it for what it is, weather it's good or bad.. I'll try it anyway.

I don't think anyone would need to go THAT far... It's a 'DragonBall Movieverse.' If you've seen the Spider-Man flicks and compare them to the original comics they're based on, or similar properties, it's really no different from that.

Snail · Post by **Snail** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:39 am

JAPPO wrote:
Snail wrote:
JAPPO wrote: Also, fish-faced saiyans? No... the Oozaru is one of the most faithful designs.
I was under the (wrong) impression that the Oozarus would revert into the fish-faced beings after the moon is no longer full.

Please tell me I'm wrong sir.
That doesn't make a bit of sense.

I gave the bit of news you introduced to the thread moments ago a quick skim, and jumped straight to conclusions. Furthermore, creating a ruckus amongst the thread shortly afterwards out of angst. If Christian Bale can lather up an outburst of unecessary comments, so can Snail.

Apologies will be handed out after the break.

ImmortalSandwich · Post by **ImmortalSandwich** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:44 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:
ImmortalSandwich wrote:Maybe if I pretend I've never seen the original DB before, I can forget about all the changes and respect it for what it is, weather it's good or bad.. I'll try it anyway.
I don't think anyone would need to go THAT far... It's a 'DragonBall Movieverse.' If you've seen the Spider-Man flicks and compare them to the original comics they're based on, or similar properties, it's really no different from that.

Yeah but if I go spend my money to see a Dragon Ball movie, there's certain things I want to see, and this movie doesn't sound like it has any of them. In fact it sounds like it has a lot of things I don't want to see. But like I said, I think I can handle just forgetting about that, and watching it expecting nothing at all. That way after I watch it, my opinion won't be biased, and I can maybe avoid hating it for the simple fact that I'm a DBZ fanboy, which is my first reaction to these sorts of things.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:49 am

Snail wrote:
JAPPO wrote:
Snail wrote: I was under the (wrong) impression that the Oozarus would revert into the fish-faced beings after the moon is no longer full.

Please tell me I'm wrong sir.
That doesn't make a bit of sense.
I gave the bit of news you introduced to the thread moments ago a quick skim, and jumped straight to conclusions. Furthermore, creating a ruckus amongst the thread shortly afterwards out of angst. If Christian Bale can lather up an outburst of unecessary comments, so can Snail.

Apologies will be handed out after the break.

We're fucking done professionally.

I like you, you're a nice guy, but you don't fuck around a forum.

Snail · Post by **Snail** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:50 am

" WHAT DON'T YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND?! "

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:53 am

ImmortalSandwich wrote:Yeah but if I go spend my money to see a Dragon Ball movie, there's certain things I want to see, and this movie doesn't sound like it has any of them. In fact it sounds like it has a lot of things I don't want to see. But like I said, I think I can handle just forgetting about that, and watching it expecting nothing at all. That way after I watch it, my opinion won't be biased, and I can maybe avoid hating it for the simple fact that I'm a DBZ fanboy, which is my first reaction to these sorts of things.

"Hey Bussani, if you pay us we'll show you a Dragon Ball movie we made."
"Huh. Is it any good?"
"Well we made a bunch of needless changes, but you'll have to see and decide for yourself."
"Okay sure."

I mean, it's a movie. It's Dragon Ball, even if it turns out to be Dragon Ball in name alone. I see the cinema as a fun day out, no matter what I'm seeing, and to me this is just a weird thing to add to the already huge amount of Dragon Ball stuff out there. I'll gladly pay just for the experience.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:57 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:That's quite 'DragonBall.' Show that with different names and a different title, and people will say, "What a ripoff of DragonBall." A few things have been condensed, switched around, or adapted, but there's still plenty, both in terms of story and visuals, to capture the feel and sense of mystical adventure and action that DragonBall had. It's coming to us in a new medium, with a new take on it. No, it's not just like the Dragonbible manga, and I don't know why some folks still expect it to be. There's no law against taking some creative license.

What's with the use of the term "Bible"? It's being used to refer to the script, to the manga, to my dick for all I know. People are throwing it around every two seconds, which is a bit annoying.

Look, if you want to juggle things around to make it look the best you can for yourself, that's fine. My point is that there comes a time when "creative license" and "making their own mythos" ultimately starts to dilute the original story. If you're so tied up in cheering for this movie, then there's probably nothing I can say. Truthfully though, is there anything truly gained by turning Goku into a generic yawn of a lovelorn teenage sap? Or turning Bulma into a gun-toting badass? Or the Namekians into a warmongering people (seriously, where the fuck did that come from?)? It just seems like changing shit for the sake of changing it. I honestly think they looked at everything that has been popular in the past decade for the target demographic and just jumbled it all together. Yeah, DragonBall is in there somewhere (Goku's still a fighter, there's still DragonBalls and oh look an Oozaru, etc.), but it's obscured by a ton of stuff that seems directly culled from other places and cheaply tacked on.

I say this completely honestly, and without any hesitation: This movie is going to be horrible. It's almost as bad as the horrible idea of making a Donnie Darko sequel (which, surprise, Chatwin is also in...though at least Fox had the common sense to pull the theatrical run on that one...).

Only to Bulma, until Goku tells her what they're really called. If you're going to make cracks, at least try to keep ALL the facts straight...

If you're going to quote me, keep the context. I had an emoticon that designated I was kidding. Why you're being so damned defensive of this film is beyond me. It honestly seems like a film of this caliber would cause the community to come together and...well, laugh. Then again, I've thought that of other things before too and been sadly mistake (the dub, season sets, etc.)

-Corey

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 4:03 am

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:That's quite 'DragonBall.' Show that with different names and a different title, and people will say, "What a ripoff of DragonBall." A few things have been condensed, switched around, or adapted, but there's still plenty, both in terms of story and visuals, to capture the feel and sense of mystical adventure and action that DragonBall had. It's coming to us in a new medium, with a new take on it. No, it's not just like the Dragonbible manga, and I don't know why some folks still expect it to be. There's no law against taking some creative license.
What's with the use of the term "Bible"? It's being used to refer to the script, to the manga, to my dick for all I know. People are throwing it around every two seconds, which is a bit annoying.

Look, if you want to juggle things around to make it look the best you can for yourself, that's fine. My point is that there comes a time when "creative license" and "making their own mythos" ultimately starts to dilute the original story. If you're so tied up in cheering for this movie, then there's probably nothing I can say. Truthfully though, is there anything truly gained by turning Goku into a generic yawn of a lovelorn teenage sap? Or turning Bulma into a gun-toting badass? Or the Namekians into a warmongering people (seriously, where the fuck did that come from?)? It just seems like changing shit for the sake of changing it. I honestly think they looked at everything that has been popular in the past decade for the target demographic and just jumbled it all together. Yeah, DragonBall is in there somewhere (Goku's still a fighter, there's still DragonBalls and oh look an Oozaru, etc.), but it's obscured by a ton of stuff that seems directly culled from other places and cheaply tacked on.

I say this completely honestly, and without any hesitation: This movie is going to be horrible. It's almost as bad as the horrible idea of making a Donnie Darko sequel (which, surprise, Chatwin is also in...though at least Fox had the common sense to pull the theatrical run on that one...).

Can't argue with this. Movie makers are often idiots and use cliche elements all the time. It's predictable and unoriginal.

Still won't stop me from going.

Not that I think you're trying to stop me, I'm just saying.

Bura · Post by **Bura** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 4:04 am

Chuquita wrote:
JAPPO wrote:It's not Goku, it can be any Saiyan.

***MAJOR SPOILERS***

The saiyans are different in the movie. Instead of being able to turn back into a human after they become an Oozaru, they can NOT turn back in the movie because it is their true self. The exception is Goku due to other reasons.
If that's their default form in this movieverse...

Are you saying that in a proverbial "What if" sequel, Vegeta would look like an oozaru all the time?!

Holy crap... Bulma will marry a big monkey?!
What will become of Trunks?! I doubt he'll be handsome anymore once he turns 18 and with that into some sort of monkey/humanoid freak D;
Nappa won't be bald... will there even be a Nappa at all?!
Will there even be a Vegeta with this?!

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 4:09 am

Bura wrote:
Chuquita wrote:
JAPPO wrote:It's not Goku, it can be any Saiyan.

***MAJOR SPOILERS***

The saiyans are different in the movie. Instead of being able to turn back into a human after they become an Oozaru, they can NOT turn back in the movie because it is their true self. The exception is Goku due to other reasons.
If that's their default form in this movieverse...

Are you saying that in a proverbial "What if" sequel, Vegeta would look like an oozaru all the time?!
Holy crap... Bulma will marry a big monkey?!
What will become of Trunks?! I doubt he'll be handsome anymore once he turns 18 and with that into some sort of monkey/humanoid freak D;
Nappa won't be bald... will there even be a Nappa at all?!
Will there even be a Vegeta with this?!

And here I was worried about them changing Vegeta's gender. I NEVER saw this 'oozaru all the time' thing coming. o__O;;;

And would that make oozaru-Trunks' fur purple?!

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 4:10 am

Bura wrote:Nappa won't be bald... will there even be a Nappa at all?!

Nappa will be a giant hairless monkey.

With a mustache.

Honestly, I never expected the story to reach the Saiyajin arc kind of stuff anyway, but who knows?