Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:44 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
Rocketman wrote:
Bussani wrote:With great (hidden or otherwise) power comes great responsibility. Reluctant hero is another standard shounen character really.
Goku's never been reluctant. And you have Piccolo and eventually Vegeta, both who wanted to destroy the world, more eager to defend it than Gohan.
That's part of his character. Need I remind you that he said he didn't like fighting right to Cell's face? It's part of his character development. In the Cell games, he learns that he needs to drop his restraints and just fight, and then we he gets too full of himself and makes things worse

This is the exact same mistake Vegeta made, even. It's a Saiyajin thing.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:44 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:That's part of his character.

Which is why I don't like him as the main hero and resent the attempts to force him into that position.

Deep Thought · Post by **Deep Thought** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:00 am

I never said that Gohan was that great, I only implied that he was better than Vegeta.

Also, almost any normal person would think like Gohan, as I don't think much people get off to beating the shit out of people for their entire lives. Even soldiers don't defend their country for their ENTIRE LIVES. Who does?

Ignoring their alien heritages, let's examine the characters. Goku is an exception, because he's literally mentally retarded. Vegeta is a battle-obsessive lunatic, and Piccolo is a freak (as in, he'd be so rejected from human society that he effectively can't do anything but fight and train). We don't know much about Tien, and Kurrin, Yamcha, and Gohan actually act sane.

@Rocketman: You act like Gohan was the hero of the Buu Arc. Let's establish this right now:

Surprisingly, in DBZ, sometimes strength doesn't equal importance.

Sure, Mystic Gohan is technically the strongest character, but does he DO anything?

Nope, not at all.

He gets absorbed by Super Buu and we basically never hear from him again.

Is that importance? No.

Just like with Gotenks? What did he ultimately do, besides damage Buu slightly and get absorbed? Nothing.

What did Goku do? Oh, god:

- He was the main thing that got the Tournament-ball rolling. Without him, the Buu Saga would be leagues different. Of course, I guess you could say that about Gohan, as well.

- He proposed fusion, and got the ball rolling with that.

- He distracted Fat Buu without getting killed/absorbed in the process like everyone else.

- He arguably lead to the destruction of the Z Sword.

- He fused with Vegeta to put Buu at bay.

- Most importantly. HE BEAT BUU, THE VILLAIN.

Is that importance? Yes.

There is definitely a difference between panel hogging and being useful and important. Case in point with Vegeta.

Let me ask you these questions:

- Since Vegeto is the strongest character in the Buu Saga, is he by far the most important?

- When you think of "hero of the entire Buu Saga," does Gohan come to mind, or Goku?

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:40 am

Deep Thought wrote:- Since Vegeto is the strongest character in the Buu Saga, is he by far the most important?

Yes. Vegetto is always the most important.

- When you think of "hero of the entire Buu Saga," does Gohan come to mind, or Goku?

Vegetto.

Goku was too goddamn retarded throughout the whole thing.

Scarz · Post by **Scarz** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:25 am

Deep Thought wrote:Also, almost any normal person would think like Gohan, as I don't think much people get off to beating the shit out of people for their entire lives.

Your right. At least not for their entire lives. Personally I love fighting (legal or otherwise) could be because there something wrong with me, I dunno. When Gohan revealed that he didn't like fighting, it was a huge disappointment but it was interesting to see at least one character on the show that didn't like fighting unless he had too. I never thought he was a pussy or pansy because of it. Fighting is dirty, disgusting, and sometimes down right shameful or unnecessary. Toriyama decisions to let Gohan drop the training and become a professor was probably the right choice in the end. Hell, aren't all kids meant to grow up to be disappointments or at least unable to live up to their parents huge expectations. Except for Chichi, she got what she wanted.

As for DBM I hope "professor" Gohan gets a chance to fight. Before the recent comments I almost forgot he was even there.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:34 am

Exactly. Gohan gave up training, but when the world was in danger he didn't have much of a choice. He had the potential power inside him, to ignore it and do nothing would be wrong.

I guess from my point of view it isn't where you get the power that's important, it's what you use it for.

Deep Thought · Post by **Deep Thought** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:47 pm

This is exactly what I'm saying.

Think about it in Gohan's shoes:

- You've been fighting and training and basically nothing else for five years. Sure, Gohan got a two year "break" but I hardly call worrying about your father's life status as "taking a break." If anything, it would just add more stress.

- Gohan put his life in danger (and when I mean putting your life in danger, I mean nearly dying) at least 6 times [Uncle Raditz, Nappa, Vegeta, Recoome, Freeza (and I'm being generous by condesening him into one imo), and Cell].

Just saying that it's pretty sane to spend a long ass time not training.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:58 pm

Deep Thought wrote:This is exactly what I'm saying.

Think about it in Gohan's shoes:

- You've been fighting and training and basically nothing else for five years. Sure, Gohan got a two year "break" but I hardly call worrying about your father's life status as "taking a break." If anything, it would just add more stress.

- Gohan put his life in danger (and when I mean putting your life in danger, I mean nearly dying) at least 6 times [Uncle Raditz, Nappa, Vegeta, Recoome, Freeza (and I'm being generous by condesening him into one imo), and Cell].

Just saying that it's pretty sane to spend a long ass time not training.

After all that, I would train more. You know, to avoid being almost killed. But that's just me.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:02 pm

Bussani wrote:After all that, I would train more. You know, to avoid being almost killed. But that's just me.

I agree, having fun and enjoying your teenage years is overrated

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:21 pm

Deep Thought wrote:Just saying that it's pretty sane to spend a long ass time not training.

Not when you're supposed to be the Protector of Earth.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:52 pm

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-92.html

New page. Goddamn, he got beat up pretty badly. I wonder who fights next.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:06 pm

The thing as a whole isn't grabbing me like it used to. Sure, a lot of the universes look interesting, but we're on page 92 now and, other than the Vegetto vs Broly crap and Recoome vs Nail, all the fights have been Hideously Overpowered Universe crushing Somewhat Interesting But Underpowered Universe.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:14 pm

Patience! The time will come. For now, we wait.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:22 pm

I love seeing base form Vegeta kick ass.

Rocketman wrote:The thing as a whole isn't grabbing me like it used to. Sure, a lot of the universes look interesting, but we're on page 92 now and, other than the Vegetto vs Broly crap and Recoome vs Nail, all the fights have been Hideously Overpowered Universe crushing Somewhat Interesting But Underpowered Universe.

I agree it would not be so bad if they would release more pages a week. At least when boring stuff is going on in Naruto or Vagabond I get 17 pages or so of it which means in a week or two they would have moved on to the good stuff. I guess we will have to settle for this unless we start a fund to pay those guys to get more pages out.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:42 pm

At least it's not like Hunter x Hunter, which gets released whenever the artist feels like it.

They'll run out of small fry to destroy eventually.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:51 pm

Bussani wrote:At least it's not like Hunter x Hunter, which gets released whenever the artist feels like it.

That sounds like Toyble’s AF manga.

They'll run out of small fry to destroy eventually.

According to the chart someone posted previously, we have a while to go before anything interesting happens.

Scarz · Post by **Scarz** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:32 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:I guess we will have to settle for this unless we start a fund to pay those guys to get more pages out.

The creators can easily except donations with the use of paypal. I've done it before when I design web pages for clients. I would certainly donate money myself if that would help to get more pages up weekly. But Sometimes I think its unfair to ask for more since the comic is free. But as Rocketman said it's very important to maintain the interest of the reader or eventually he or she will stop reading the fancomic. And no one wants to lose readers, doesn't matter if the comic is free or not.

I wanted to start my fancomic now for months but its getting hard to find time in my schedule to do it. It's makes me wonder about the DBM artist's schedule. Not to get into his personal business of course. Obviously he's not getting paid for this comic so I wonder if he has job? Part-time or full time? Dose he goes to school or take college courses?

I can draw one comic page a day (two depending how quickly I finish the first page), but that's my job. Monday through Thursdays (sometimes Friday if I'm really close to the deadline), I usually start from 10 am and stop around 6 pm (or 6 am if I'm really, REALLY close to the deadline). Now if I wanted to draw a fancomic (and I still do) with the same effort I do with my commissioned comics, I have to plan it accordingly. Which would mean two pages a day probably on the weekends when I'm free. But do I really want to sacrifice my entire weekend? (I shutter to think of the games I won't be playing)

Okay so let's say I used Friday and Saturday to draw the fancomic. That's Four pages at most. But then I have to ink them. In my opinion Gogeta Jr does some great line work for the comic so I don't know how long it takes him to ink one page. As for me, I'm a terrible inker so it would probably take me a few hours to ink all four pages in one sitting.

If I continue doing this for let say an entire month, stick to my plan and only work on it during the weekends, (again 2 or 1 pages a day), I would have some where between 8-16 pages a month if all goes well. It seems to be exactly what the artist is doing so far.

Sorry for the whole blah blah about nothing. I'm just trying to get into the mindset of the artist.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:51 am

Scarz wrote:...I can draw one comic page a day (two depending how quickly I finish the first page), but that's my job...

What comic or manga do you illustrate?

Scarz · Post by **Scarz** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:45 am

Saiyan-Professor wrote:
Scarz wrote:...I can draw one comic page a day (two depending how quickly I finish the first page), but that's my job...
What comic or manga do you illustrate?

I just got into the business as a freelance penciler last year so I'm afraid I don't have tons of comics under my belt yet. I freelance for Archie Comics every now and then, mostly poster stuff. I illustrate children's book and comics but they have yet to be published (I haven't gotten the thumb up to put some of the sample pages I did on my site so I'm not even sure If I could tell you the book titles

, call me paranoid) . I'm also the writer and penciler to a web comic series for Kids Comic Con called Captain KC. (The first 6 pages are online now. I don't how long it will be until they post the second and third issues). And the rest, well, let's just say I also draw for the "mature audiences only" variety for online comic websites and I prefer not to say which.

finnishjuoppo · Post by **finnishjuoppo** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:52 am

jjgp1112 wrote:http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-92.html

New page. Goddamn, he got beat up pretty badly. I wonder who fights next.

LoL that was some epic fight