Mid-air fights, something Toriyama created?

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 7:19 pm

Is the idea of characters fighting in mid-air something Toriyama came up with? Or were there any shounen anime before DB that did it? Naruto ep107 got me wondering.

Mugenmidget · Post by **Mugenmidget** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:26 pm

Astro Boy? =P

Neon Z · Post by **Neon Z** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:41 pm

Giant Robot shows, like Z Gundam, already had mid-air fight, though DB might be the first anime to have charachters, not mechas, fighting in mid-air.

Mugenmidget · Post by **Mugenmidget** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:37 pm

Neon Z wrote:Giant Robot shows, like Z Gundam, already had mid-air fight, though DB might be the first anime to have charachters, not mechas, fighting in mid-air.

Astro Boy was like SOOO before your shows.

Post by **SaiyaJedi** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 2:53 am

Mugenmidget wrote:
Neon Z wrote:Giant Robot shows, like Z Gundam, already had mid-air fight, though DB might be the first anime to have charachters, not mechas, fighting in mid-air.
Astro Boy was like SOOO before your shows.

Indeed... just as much as so many newer manga are essentially derivative of Toriyama's work, so many manga before DB were essentially derivative of Osamu Tezuka's.

Frobman · Post by **Frobman** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 5:53 am

Perhaps it was Astro Boy! Toriyama was a fan of it, as well as other manga artists! Can be possible!

Neon Z · Post by **Neon Z** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 4:05 pm

Mugenmidget wrote: Astro Boy was like SOOO before your shows.

I don't know much about Astro Boy... Anyway, wasn't it released like in 63 or something? Mazinger Z(another Giant Robot show with air battles) was released in the early 70s(71-73, I think), so the time gap between them isn't THAT big.

Mugenmidget · Post by **Mugenmidget** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 5:39 pm

Neon Z wrote:
Mugenmidget wrote: Astro Boy was like SOOO before your shows.
I don't know much about Astro Boy... Anyway, wasn't it released like in 63 or something? Mazinger Z(another Giant Robot show with air battles) was released in the early 70s(71-73, I think), so the time gap between them isn't THAT big.

I thought you were gonna play the Mazinger Z card. =P

And the gap is actually fairly substantial, but you're right in the fact that Mazinger Z probably had some influence as well.

Caracal · Post by **Caracal** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:00 pm

All I know about Astro Boy is that he's a robot boy, kinda like MegaMan.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:21 pm

In an ironic twist of fate since we're talking about it, I don't know if she was the main character, but I do know that Ms. Nozawa was a voice on the Japanese version of Astro Boy.

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:53 pm

If were on the topic of Masako Nozawa, a little fun fact, she was the voice of Doug Funnie in the Japanese dub of Nickelodeon/Disney's Doug. Who'd a thunk? I could actually picture that.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:26 pm

Super Sonic wrote:In an ironic twist of fate since we're talking about it, I don't know if she was the main character, but I do know that Ms. Nozawa was a voice on the Japanese version of Astro Boy.

She wasn't the main voice, but it was actually her first debut role. Pretty amazing.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 4:25 am

Sun_Wukong wrote:If were on the topic of Masako Nozawa, a little fun fact, she was the voice of Doug Funnie in the Japanese dub of Nickelodeon/Disney's Doug. Who'd a thunk? I could actually picture that.

How ironic that there were other connections between her and Nickelodeon. What I mean is that I read she voiced the main characters of two anime series that used to air on Nickelodeon called "Taiyô no ko Esteban" and "Fushigi na koala Blinky". "Mysterious Cities of Gold" and "Noozles" in the US and to anyone else who remembers those shows besides me.

Shenron_3000 · Post by **Shenron_3000** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:29 am

You know Akira Toriyama didn't plan any mid-air fights it just developed out of a quest for dragonballs. Toriyama brang the invention of flight in to dragonball first in the Tenshinhan Saga in which Ten can fly with telekineses only later on in the Piccolo jr saga does Goku learn Buku-Jutsu because he can't move his arms and legs.
I think Toriyama had experimented with the art of flight with Tenshinhan, possibly the feedback was so good """Akira Akira its so cool when Ten flies!""" he brang it back because he was so tired of making Goku kamehameha himself into the air that he let him fly!
This later became a common ability like walking and such.

Mugenmidget · Post by **Mugenmidget** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 12:49 pm

Caracal wrote:All I know about Astro Boy is that he's a robot boy, kinda like MegaMan.

And if you remember Megaman's hyper attack in Marvel vs Capcom, he turns into Mazinger Z basically.

Frobman · Post by **Frobman** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 1:03 pm

And Oolong transformed to a Mazinger like robot! I only watched Grandizer dubbed in a foreign language (arabic) long ago!

Dai · Post by **Dai** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 1:28 pm

Jerseymilk wrote:
Super Sonic wrote:In an ironic twist of fate since we're talking about it, I don't know if she was the main character, but I do know that Ms. Nozawa was a voice on the Japanese version of Astro Boy.
She wasn't the main voice, but it was actually her first debut role. Pretty amazing.

This still sort of confuses me. IMDb has Masako Nozawa listed as ''Astro Boy'', yet has somebody else (Mari Shimizu) listed as ''Atom''. Aren't these basically the same characters? Or is my limited knowledge of Astro Boy completely off?

Frobman · Post by **Frobman** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 1:30 pm

Dai wrote:
Jerseymilk wrote:
Super Sonic wrote:In an ironic twist of fate since we're talking about it, I don't know if she was the main character, but I do know that Ms. Nozawa was a voice on the Japanese version of Astro Boy.
She wasn't the main voice, but it was actually her first debut role. Pretty amazing.
This still sort of confuses me. IMDb has Masako Nozawa listed as ''Astro Boy'', yet has somebody else (Mari Shimizu) listed as ''Atom''. Aren't these basically the same characters? Or is my limited knowledge of Astro Boy completely off?

"Tetsuwan Atom" is Astro Boy's name in Japan. So they are the same characters!

Dai · Post by **Dai** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 1:33 pm

Well... Yeah. That's why I asked. There can't be two people voicing the same character.

Frobman · Post by **Frobman** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 2:25 pm

Dai wrote:Well... Yeah. That's why I asked. There can't be two people voicing the same character.

Explain Darth Vader! Dave Prowes, the actor and James Earl Jones the voice!

Of course maybe one did the voice first for a time, then another one took their place!