Dragon Ball Z Being Re-edited and Re-dubbed for HDTV

[Kaboom]

Notice that the shot from the ad is not full 16:9, but it looks like it will be pretty much the same thing as Funi's sets.

To be honest, my screencap might not be the exact same frame; like the Makankosappo itself, that shot moves very fast.

[Yi Xing Long]

But seriously, I think if Toei does this it will be even worse then FUNi. It would be stupid of them to crop it instead of just expand it.

If they do cut out all the filler, I will watch it religiously. If they don't, I would still watch it, although I hope they use this chance to fix it up.

... also, Kai? Am I missing how this could tie into Dragonball (apart from Kaio-sama, but that's a pretty odd way to reference him).

Well you see, I never understood in the first place how it would even be possible to add new animation to the sides of the frames without basically overhauling the entire series. Think about it: they no longer have the original animation cels, thus they cannot just slap a new background on it. If they were going to do this by hand it would probably be as expensive and time-consuming as re-animating the entire series from scratch. It is rather logical for them to crop it to display it in 16:9, but it would be better if they would present it pillar-boxed instead (like Casablanca in HD).

Notice that the shot from the ad is not full 16:9, but it looks like it will be pretty much the same thing as Funi's sets.

To be honest, my screencap might not be the exact same frame; like the Makankosappo itself, that shot moves very fast.

That would be a possibility, except that the frame matches up EXACTLY. I did not compare the other screen shot because it's obviously not the same frame. Take a look and you will see what I mean.

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

Unenjoyable filler

Speak for yourself.

ridiculously stretched out fight scenes

And yet, I watched it. =p

It very rarely actually hurts pacing, in my view. You have your insane outliers like the Freeza fight, but overall I don't think it's too big of an issue. Still, it's the most valid of the complaints.

various badly drawn episodes.

80s animation has a definite charm to it that, simply, this "new" stuff doesn't. The way I see it, the more you take out the human, artistic component...the less soul something ends up having in the end.

It's a bastardization. It's okay if you enjoyed the anime. I enjoyed it. But you can't deny when in comparison to its source material, it's a pile of shit.

I don't think so. The source material:

-Doesn't have the amazing score of the TV show(And I mean the Japanese score).

-Isn't as "dynamic"(obviously, being on a static page)

-Doesn't include great filler scenes that have become definite parts of Dragon Ball for me. The extra Saiyaman goodness, human characters doing stuff, and the driving episode. And you know what? I like the Garlic Jr. arc.

-Doesn't have the voices we all know and love.(And by "we" I mean the Japanese fans again.)

[Kaboom]

That would be a possibility, except that the frame matches up EXACTLY. I did not compare the other screen shot because it's obviously not the same frame. Take a look and you will see what I mean.

Yeah, I see what you mean. As for the other one (Goku and Piccolo flying), it pauses on that shot for several seconds, with the only thing changing being Piccolo's cape and the background motion lines. The main point of reference is the top of Goku's head and his feet compared to Kinto'Un.

[NeptuneKai]

-Doesn't have the amazing score of the TV show(And I mean the Japanese score).



-Doesn't have the voices we all know and love.(And by "we" I mean the Japanese fans again.)

These two could be applicable for dub fans aswell though. I don't know why you're making them sub exclusive.

[DBZOceanHD]

Well you see, I never understood in the first place how it would even be possible to add new animation to the sides of the frames without basically overhauling the entire series. Think about it: they no longer have the original animation cels, thus they cannot just slap a new background on it. If they were going to do this by hand it would probably be as expensive and time-consuming as re-animating the entire series from scratch. It is rather logical for them to crop it to display it in 16:9, but it would be better if they would present it pillar-boxed instead (like Casablanca in HD).

I guess if they were going to re-animate it, they may as well do the whole thing, which would be an extremely expensive exercise. It's just ... people have complaining about FUNi's Orange Bricks for years and now that Toei had possibly done the same thing, it just seems like a cop out.

[Casual Matt]

I think SJ was being lazy and that TOEi will actually stretch the picture.

To be honest, that'd be ten times worse than cropping it.

QFT.

Toei would have to be nuts to stretch the picture.

Looks like the screenshots in the scan are cropped like the Season Sets are... god damn it Toei.

It's all good though. TOEI did it so its totally "A" OK.

Betting on this being 90% of the forum's reaction.

I hope there are more independently thinking individuals here than people who will mindlessly suck Toei's big corporate willy and then turn around and give FUNi flack for doing essentially the exact same thing.

Of course if there's no toothpasting or whatever people call it when the colours bleed into the lines while everything's shaking, then that'll automatically but Toei at least one step above FUNi, but I digress.

I'm not sure how I feel about this project. By the time it comes out I'll probably have all of Dragon Ball Z on DVD anyway so it's not really likely that I'll give too much of a shit, being the stingy purist to the original anime that I am. And of course my enthusiasm is watered down even further with the foreknowledge that Tenshinhan will not be voiced by Hirotaka Suzuoki for obvious reasons, and this one of my favorite scenes will most definitely be poorer for it.

The removal of unnecessary filler and whatnot sounds good. I mean if Goku didn't have to stand around for an entire episode before fighting Jheese and Butta, then that would be a significant improvement. But let's not forget that FUNimation basically did something like that back when they were partnered with Saban. Of course that was balanced out by some truly awful dialogue and absolutely retarded edits, many of which were totally unrelated to violence or tits and had more to do with apple trees and tears.

So basically this is going to have stuff cut down like the original FUNi-Saban dub, re-recorded dialogue like the video games, and cropped footage like the FUNi Season Sets. Now, call me crazy and/or cynical but I fucking hate all three of those things.

However the final product could still be good. Of course in order for that to happen, they'll have to be careful what they do and do not cut out, do the cropping in a way as to be careful what is and isn't cropped out, and get some major voice directing talent just to make sure Norio Wakamoto doesn't totally phone in his performance like he has been doing these past few years. Don't get me wrong, I love the Japanese cast, but they just haven't sounded as into it in the recent games. I'm not saying they'll definitely sound that bad while redubbing the show, but if nobody watches them do their lines, then they very well could.

So if there's anybody out there with any enthusiasm left, let me just say that the biggest thing this will accomplish is dividing the fanbase yet again. Now we'll have a whole new subgroup of Dragon Ball fans who praise this new revamp and bash anything else to go along with the current group of manga purists, fans of the Japanese version, fans of the American FUNi version, fans of the Canadian Ocean Dub, etc. I can practically hear a piece of the fandom breaking off as we speak, or maybe that's just the sound of my brain realizing that Toei is only doing this because all their Dragon Ball DVDs are out and they need some new way to milk the inexplicably still plump udders of the Dragon Ball cash cow.

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

-Doesn't have the amazing score of the TV show(And I mean the Japanese score).



-Doesn't have the voices we all know and love.(And by "we" I mean the Japanese fans again.)

These two could be applicable for dub fans aswell though. I don't know why you're making them sub exclusive.

I wasn't being exclusive, so much as defining what I'm talking about. Dub fans are perfectly fine to enjoy the english score and voices if they want, it's just not what I was thinking about and referring to when I was talking about the show's BGM and voice acting. =p

[B]

stuffz

Sorry, it still sucks. It's okay to say you like something that sucks, guys. I enjoyed the voices and score as well.

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

stuffz

Sorry, it still sucks. It's okay to say you like something that sucks, guys. I enjoyed the voices and score as well.

It's also okay to say something doesn't objectively suck.

[XanatosVanBadass]

I'm coming into the thread a tad late, but I thought I'd offer my two cents. Personally, I am looking forward to this DBK project and this is coming from someone who has spent much money on the FUNi season sets. I guess the way I see it is they are two versions of the shows, classic DBZ, and revised Kai. I wouldn't mind owning both, however, I will wait and see exactly what this Kai thing is going to be like before I make a final jugement.

I mean, so long as they don't replace Ki blasts with walky-talkies I'll be good!

[SSj_Rambo]

I decided to try and touch up that image a little bit, so that the text in the center is a little more readable; don't know if it helped though.



@ SatoSky: I'm lovin' the nice Anderson Silva avatar!! PS: GSP vs Silva; who'd you put your money on?!

[JAPPO]

So they're basically just doing what FUNimation did and shortening the episode length.

Amazing.

[Innagadadavida]

Wait, wait, wait, wait! Can we please get some information first? Are they or are they not cropping?

If so, what was with the rumor of artists from Toei being recruited to expand the footage?

[Yi Xing Long]

Wait, wait, wait, wait! Can we please get some information first? Are they or are they not cropping?

If so, what was with the rumor of artists from Toei being recruited to expand the footage?

There has been no confirmation on any new animation being added (except for a hint at a new OP and ED animation), that was just a rumor, along with the "100 episodes" rumor.

[MajinVejitaXV]

So they're basically just doing what FUNimation did and shortening the episode length.

Amazing.

So...benefit of the doubt for Fox = Infinite.

Benefit of the doubt for Toei = FUCK NO, MUST JUDGE ON SPECULATION AND A LOW RESOLUTION CLIPPING ALONE.



-Corey

[Kaboom]

So...benefit of the doubt for Fox = Infinite.
Benefit of the doubt for Toei = FUCK NO, MUST JUDGE ON SPECULATION AND A LOW RESOLUTION CLIPPING ALONE.

The reverse could be said in a lot of other cases.

Besides, this rings true to what I've said before. DragonBall: Evolution is an all-new project of FOX's doing only based on the series. FUNi and now Toei's actions are actually affecting the series itself. Apples and oranges, really.

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

So they're basically just doing what FUNimation did and shortening the episode length.

Amazing.

So...benefit of the doubt for Fox = Infinite.

Benefit of the doubt for Toei = FUCK NO, MUST JUDGE ON SPECULATION AND A LOW RESOLUTION CLIPPING ALONE.



-Corey

I'm not exactly sure what JAPPO's view on the Live Action Movie has to do with this point, in particular. Everyone wants to use it against him, though.

You could have just simply said that the guy was judging on speculation and low-resolution cropped magazine images. The movie bit wasn't necessary. =/

[Kaboom]

You could have just simply said that the guy was judging on speculation and low-resolution cropped magazine images. The movie bit wasn't necessary. =/

Apparently, any opportunity, however slight, to take cheap shots at DBE or Jappo simply must be taken nowadays.

[MajinVejitaXV]

I'm not exactly sure what JAPPO's view on the Live Action Movie has to do with this point, in particular. Everyone wants to use it against him, though.

You could have just simply said that the guy was judging on speculation and low-resolution cropped magazine images. The movie bit wasn't necessary. =/

I disagree. Jappo has taken every opportunity to kick people in the nuts for judging the live action film from footage, script excerpts and still frames. Yet, he turns around and judges this project from a low resolution magazine ad and (unsubstantiated in many cases) hearsay. I think it's a valid comparison that points out his hypocrisy.

The reverse could be said in a lot of other cases.

Show me footage, official word from Toei and actual still frames that are confirmed to be from this project and I'll put the Fox film on the same level as this in terms of granting benefit of the doubt. As it stands, we've got a ton of info and visuals from the movie but hardly anything from this project.

-Corey