Dragon Ball Z Being Re-edited and Re-dubbed for HDTV

[Son Wukong]

I like the new colors. They look all fresh. X3

They sure do, the whole atmosphere feels kinda nice.

Funimation's cropping never really bothered me, but it would be nice if Toei did it a different way.

It didn't bother me either and the reason I didn't bought the orange boxes was because I had a little hunch Toei would also make a move pretty soon.
And I can easily say for myself that no matter which way Toei is going with Kai, the urge to buy the dragonboxes/ R2 with the 4:3 won't disappear.
I'm just excited like the rest is.

[snaku]

Hey guys, I miss anything?



Totally wasn't expecting to find anything as I was digging through the massive unreadable mess of 2ch last night. I almost fainted after I downloaded the commercial and played it for the first time.

I'm not going to praise or condemn the show yet, as we know Toei's advertising is notoriously deceptive. I like the selective re-framing done in the commercial. It makes the cropping no where near as distracting, in a negative way, as it was in the Orange Bricks. I'm also glad they mentioned it'll be closer to Toriyama's version; at least we know for sure they'll be trimming out the filler a little bit, if not completely.

I remain cautiously optimistic.

[fps_anth]

I think I'm just gonna copy and paste some of my posts from Arlong Park I posted while DaizEX was down...

It looks like they are completely re-framing the series. Unlike FUNimation, who cropped the same amount from the top and bottom of the screen for all 291 episodes of the series, it looks like KAI will have different cropping depending on the scene.



As we can see, the first shot has cropping done at the top and bottom of the frame. And it looks damn good. The second shot has all the cropping done at the bottom of the screen. It as well looks damn good.



I think it's obvious that the screen being cropped at the top and bottom of the frame looks horrible at certain points in the series. We've seen it with FUNi's releases. Now, those same horrible looking scenes will (hopefully) be fixed with this new method of cropping.

Awesome

No one should be complaining about this. We may be getting some cropped footage, but let's look at the big picture here:

-New OP
-No Filler
-Dialogue is re-recorded
-Presented in true HD

If the footage does end up being cropped, let's consider the points about and just live with it? I know that I could care less about cropping at this point *coughFUNicough*

/endcopypasta

[B]

The coloring job is fantastic.

No more switching between red and orange! It's orange!

[SonEric84]

The selective cropping has me skeptical.

[Pain]

This just looks bad, upon first inspection. I mean, they are blending Dragonball's "Older Art Style" with the shitty "Pokemon Background Art Style". It's just not working for me. They should have just re-made the entire series. I seriously hope the actual episodes look better than this promo. The SCREENSHOTS looked better.

[VegettoEX]

This just looks bad, upon first inspection. I mean, they are blending Dragonball's "Older Art Style" with the shitty "Pokemon Background Art Style". It's just not working for me. They should have just re-made the entire series. I seriously hope the actual episodes look better than this promo. The SCREENSHOTS looked better.

I don't understand this post at all.

You say it looks bad in terms of art style, but the art style is exactly the same as it was in 1989. Have you never liked the early "Z" art style? How do screenshots of the art style (what does that even mean, anyway?) make it any different than images from the commercial?

I'm just thoroughly confused .

[Pain]

This just looks bad, upon first inspection. I mean, they are blending Dragonball's "Older Art Style" with the shitty "Pokemon Background Art Style". It's just not working for me. They should have just re-made the entire series. I seriously hope the actual episodes look better than this promo. The SCREENSHOTS looked better.

I don't understand this post at all.

You say it looks bad in terms of art style, but the art style is exactly the same as it was in 1989. Have you never liked the early "Z" art style? How do screenshots of the art style (what does that even mean, anyway?) make it any different than images from the commercial?

I'm just thoroughly confused .

Well I was simply saying that I don't like the "new look" of Dragonball Kai. It just looks out of place. And the screenshots just seemed to look better than the animation in the promo , I guess. Call me crazy, but the backgrounds of Dragonball Kai just look bad, to me. It's like all of this talk about "Kai" has just been over-exaggerated. But I guess the final product will look better.

EDIT: When I referred to Dragonball's art style, I was simply saying that it was just old, in general. It just doesn't look good with the re-drawn junk in it.

[Saiyan-Professor]

Maybe I lack the refined eye as others seem to possess but I do not necessarily see the difference between Kai and Funimation’s “Orange Bricks”. To me the big changes is editing out of the filler and shortening of the series. I am just going to view it as “Dragonball Z Compendium”, a good way to familiarize one self with the series before jumping into the original full-length edition. I am waiting to see if they are going to update the entire sound track to resemble modern-day anime. If so then I will rejoice.

[B]

Well I was simply saying that I don't like the "new look" of Dragonball Kai. It just looks out of place. And the screenshots just seemed to look better than the animation in the promo , I guess. Call me crazy, but the backgrounds of Dragonball Kai just look bad, to me. It's like all of this talk about "Kai" has just been over-exaggerated. But I guess the final product will look better.

EDIT: When I referred to Dragonball's art style, I was simply saying that it was just old, in general. It just doesn't look good with the re-drawn junk in it.

It looks exactly the same(it's the same footage, 0_o), it's just been brightened up a bit. I don't see the problem. Roshi's shirt is a lighter shade of green, so what? Adjust your computer's contrast if you don't like it.

Maybe I lack the refined eye as others seem to possess but I do not necessarily see the difference between Kai and Funimation’s “Orange Bricks”. To me the big changes is editing out of the filler and shortening of the series. I am just going to view it as “Dragonball Z Compendium”, a good way to familiarize one self with the series before jumping into the original full-length edition. I am waiting to see if they are going to update the entire sound track to resemble modern-day anime. If so then I will rejoice.

It's not a huge difference, but there is one. FUNimation basically stuck too black bars on the top and bottom of their footage, toting it as widescreen. Toei is actually cropping out top and bottom footage, but ADDING to the sides, as you can see in that last shot of the Turtle Sage Gang with the logo in the middle, to fit the HD aspect ratio.

You're still LOSING footage in Kai, but you're also gaining some more, unlike FUNimation.

[TheGreatness25]

Wait. Didn't they say they were not going to crop and they were just going to add footage to the sides? Yeah... I can see that worked out splendidly. Though the selective cropping is nice, they kinda lied about it too.

But again, the thing is that in FUNimation, it was very rare where they'd cut off heads and feet and it actually mattered. Sure, a few times it was kind of...bugging me, but the entire problem was that it was cropped to begin with. I'd say like 98% of the time on FUNimation's sets, it didn't crop off anything significant. But it was just annoying to know that there was a chunk of the picture missing. And that's what's going on here. So basically, if I splice a bunch of Season Set footage together, it'll resemble this new show? I mean if I were to put it online, spliced together in pure Japanese audio with no subs, people would think it's part of the new show? Because it's damn near the same thing. Yes, missing lines and white lines when they should be black, whatever. But pretty much, same thing.

[B]

Well, I'm going off that video screenshot. You can clearly see about half of Krillin's body is gone, since he's short. The final product might be different.

Though I'm by no means a defender of Toei Animation(they do lots of stupid shit), they're being a lot smarter about the cropping than FUNi. You can see in that shot of Goku hitting the gorund with Gohan, a little bit of the bottom is gone, and a little bit of the top. In the group shot, it's just a lot of the bottom, whiel the top is left untouched. Toei's making sure not to gt rid of anything semi-imortant, such as hair.

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

Wait, we gained footage on the sides of the Funi release too? Aren't we just getting the same thing, but with the bars moved around and re-framed to provide a picture that doesn't cause problems as often?

I mean, that's pan-and-scan, isn't it? Isn't that usually....a "bad" thing, as far as purists are concerned? When given the choice between the original aspect ratio with original scenes and a pan-and a cut-up, new aspect ratio release, don't purists usually go for the former?

Is it the timing? Is there something I'm missing? Is it that a modicum of attention is being paid attention to HOW it's cropped the reason?

I'm sorta confused as to why this is better than any pan-and-scan movie.

[B]

Maybe because this isn't being presented in "widescreen", AFAIK. It'd be cool if this is being adapted for actual widescreen, though.

And I've got no idea about purists, but missing parts of the sky and the bottom of someone's feet do not mean shit to me. My complaint about the bricks isn't that FUNi removed footage, it's that they placed black bars over footage. It's not actual widescreen.

[Tanooki Kuribo]

The background music reminds me of One Piece. Eh, maybe it's just me.

[Taku128]

Wait, we gained footage on the sides of the Funi release too? Aren't we just getting the same thing, but with the bars moved around and re-framed to provide a picture that doesn't cause problems as often?

I mean, that's pan-and-scan, isn't it? Isn't that usually....a "bad" thing, as far as purists are concerned? When given the choice between the original aspect ratio with original scenes and a pan-and a cut-up, new aspect ratio release, don't purists usually go for the former?

Is it the timing? Is there something I'm missing? Is it that a modicum of attention is being paid attention to HOW it's cropped the reason?

I'm sorta confused as to why this is better than any pan-and-scan movie.

Because it's being reedited to remove all of the filler. A pan and scan movie is the same movie as the widescreen version with part of the picture missing. This is a completely new product. It's using the footage from DBZ to reconstruct the manga, without any of the bits Toei added to the original anime to keep them behind the manga. If it was just the anime with pan and scan widescreen it would be different, but it isn't.

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

Maybe because this isn't being presented in "widescreen", AFAIK. It'd be cool if this is being adapted for actual widescreen, though.

And I've got no idea about purists, but missing parts of the sky and the bottom of someone's feet do not mean shit to me. My complaint about the bricks isn't that FUNi removed footage, it's that they placed black bars over footage. It's not actual widescreen.

Wait, what about that image from the Cell games with Gohan that was all split up between the Funi single, the Dragon Box, and the Remastered Set? Didn't the Remastered Set have more to the sides than the Dragon Box and the zoomed-in single?

Because it's being reedited to remove all of the filler. A pan and scan movie is the same movie as the widescreen version with part of the picture missing. This is a completely new product. It's using the footage from DBZ to reconstruct the manga, without any of the bits Toei added to the original anime to keep them behind the manga. If it was just the anime with pan and scan widescreen it would be different, but it isn't.

...That seems like a bit of a stretch to me, somehow. How does removing scenes(whether or not you LIKE the scenes) and slapping a new name on it make it a new product, exactly? I mean, it's still the same footage. So the standards of cutting footage should still apply?

[TheGreatness25]

Nope, the FUNimation release has added footage on the sides too. That's what they were touting about for so long.

I don't mean to rip off this picture, but it's just as comparison.







(Credited to FUNimation and TOEI, as well as whoever made the translated video)

It's nice that it's cropped selectively, but again, FUNimation's releases rarely cropped anything important really. Either way, when it comes to the Ginyu Force, either Burter's head will be chopped off, or Guldo's will :-p

[Saiyan]

It's not a huge difference, but there is one. FUNimation basically stuck too black bars on the top and bottom of their footage, toting it as widescreen. Toei is actually cropping out top and bottom footage, but ADDING to the sides, as you can see in that last shot of the Turtle Sage Gang with the logo in the middle, to fit the HD aspect ratio.

You're still LOSING footage in Kai, but you're also gaining some more, unlike FUNimation.

But in the scene you're talking about, Funimation "added" footage to the sides too. It's the same exact framing, only Kai's is shifted upwards. It's pretty much the same exact thing as what Funimation did with the footage, in terms of their gained sides, like on some pictures someone took a few pages ago.




So there really isn't any gained footage, as of right now.

EDIT: Ooh, posted at the same time lol.

[TheGreatness25]

And the exact same picture too! lol I got one more though. Why didn't my come up? O_O

I just LOVE how so many fans were absolutely bashing and destroying FUNimation's cropped sets... And Toei turns around and does damn near the same thing three years later.