Dragon Ball Z Being Re-edited and Re-dubbed for HDTV

[Khalid Shahin]

True. The 100 episode thing is still a rumor, but the fact that the show being reduced isn't. Sorry, it is easy to think that both are true since the 100 episode thing came out first as a rumor and then the filler free thing was confirmed. If the 100 episode thing is proven to be false, then I would bet the show would end up being less than that if they are removing filler.

[Bussani]

True. The 100 episode thing is still a rumor, but the fact that the show being reduced isn't. Sorry, it is easy to think that both are true since the 100 episode thing came out first as a rumor and then the filler free thing was confirmed. If the 100 episode thing is proven to be false, then I would bet the show would end up being less than that if they are removing filler.

I see your point, but I doubt the show would be less than 100. Fitting just what happens in the manga into 100 episodes would be difficult, unless they really cut it down like you planned to with DSZ. But I think that would be removing stuff that was in the manga too.

[Chuquita]

Well, the original DB is 153 eps vs 16 volumes.
The dbz portion is 26 volumes.


So, I think if they were gonna cut it down without things being awkward they could make it to around 230 episodes.

[Khalid Shahin]

Well, the original DB is 153 eps vs 16 volumes.
The dbz portion is 26 volumes.


So, I think if they were gonna cut it down without things being awkward they could make it to around 230 episodes.

Dragon Ball did have some filler though.

[Chuquita]

Well, the original DB is 153 eps vs 16 volumes.
The dbz portion is 26 volumes.


So, I think if they were gonna cut it down without things being awkward they could make it to around 230 episodes.

Dragon Ball did have some filler though.

This is true.


I guess if there ever will exist a full filler guide, you could probably add up all the minutes filler took up and subtract it from the entire run time as a whole and come up with how many episodes a filler-less dbz would be.

[Khalid Shahin]

Well, the original DB is 153 eps vs 16 volumes.
The dbz portion is 26 volumes.


So, I think if they were gonna cut it down without things being awkward they could make it to around 230 episodes.

Dragon Ball did have some filler though.

This is true.


I guess if there ever will exist a full filler guide, you could probably add up all the minutes filler took up and subtract it from the entire run time as a whole and come up with how many episodes a filler-less dbz would be.

I went frame by frame in the first eight episodes of DBZ for Dragon Small Z, and I can tell you there is a lot of filler. To be fair though that is only the first eight episodes, I went at a fast pace, not too professional, and I removed some nonfiller stuff. But I think that they can easily make a 100 episode series and have good pacing, if not still drawn out. 100 episodes is by no means a stretch, or in this case a shrink. *crickets*

[Gozar]

Actually I don't think 100 Episodes is much of a stretch...

I typically compare things to Fruits Basket when figuring space. The Fruits Basket Anime was 26 Episodes and covered about 8 Volumes of the Manga. With that as a standard, 26 Volumes of the Z-Era would be roughly 80-85 Episodes.

[Khalid Shahin]

Actually I don't think 100 Episodes is much of a stretch...

I typically compare things to Fruits Basket when figuring space. The Fruits Basket Anime was 26 Episodes and covered about 8 Volumes of the Manga. With that as a standard, 26 Volumes of the Z-Era would be roughly 80-85 Episodes.

To be fair though DBZ takes place over a longer span of time. But I think that 100 episodes can easily be done and still have some things that aren't in the manga.

[Saiyan-Professor]

Actually I don't think 100 Episodes is much of a stretch...

I typically compare things to Fruits Basket when figuring space. The Fruits Basket Anime was 26 Episodes and covered about 8 Volumes of the Manga. With that as a standard, 26 Volumes of the Z-Era would be roughly 80-85 Episodes.

To be fair though DBZ takes place over a longer span of time. But I think that 100 episodes can easily be done and still have some things that aren't in the manga.

I would be happy if they would edit the filler, where it is problematic (keep the Garlic Jr. Saga but cut out the parts that conflict) and shorten the unnecessary flashbacks and staring contests. How many episodes do you believe that would come out to?

[Sebastian (SB)]

While I don't like that Toei is cropping the footage, I do like that they actually are adding artwork on the side, instead of just stretching the image. The remastering looks beautiful. It makes the animation look somewhat brand new. There's some bad (cropping, not sure whether "new music" will be remixes of Kikuchi's old themes or something entirely new), but a lot a good (new voice over quality, condensed version of said series, no filler, adding Bardock special into the series, nice remastering, etc.,). Overall, it seems like more of an effort than what FUNimation did with their season sets, so I'm glad I held off on those. I'm looking forward since I don't have DBZ anime, aside from the films.

[SSj_Rambo]

While I don't like that Toei is cropping the footage, I do like that they actually are adding artwork on the side, instead of just stretching the image.

I TOTALLY agree, that and the fact that they are manually positioning the cropping so as to retain as much necassary image as possible are the things that make this not really bother me.

And it's also important to remember that the series has already been released pretty much as beautiful and perfect as it is going to get (with the exception of it gets a Blu-Ray release). Anything else is just a bonus in my opinion.

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

While I don't like that Toei is cropping the footage, I do like that they actually are adding artwork on the side, instead of just stretching the image. The remastering looks beautiful. It makes the animation look somewhat brand new. There's some bad (cropping, not sure whether "new music" will be remixes of Kikuchi's old themes or something entirely new), but a lot a good (new voice over quality, condensed version of said series, no filler, adding Bardock special into the series, nice remastering, etc.,). Overall, it seems like more of an effort than what FUNimation did with their season sets, so I'm glad I held off on those. I'm looking forward since I don't have DBZ anime, aside from the films.

Again, Funi's release DID add to the sides, and did NOT stretch the image. Toei's cropping is only better in that they're going to be selective about what is cropped to help avoid those problematic scenes. And depending on what they're adding, they may re-animate even more problematic bits.

But Funi's release adds the same amount on the sides as Kai.

[Bussani]

While I don't like that Toei is cropping the footage, I do like that they actually are adding artwork on the side, instead of just stretching the image. The remastering looks beautiful. It makes the animation look somewhat brand new. There's some bad (cropping, not sure whether "new music" will be remixes of Kikuchi's old themes or something entirely new), but a lot a good (new voice over quality, condensed version of said series, no filler, adding Bardock special into the series, nice remastering, etc.,). Overall, it seems like more of an effort than what FUNimation did with their season sets, so I'm glad I held off on those. I'm looking forward since I don't have DBZ anime, aside from the films.

Again, Funi's release DID add to the sides, and did NOT stretch the image. Toei's cropping is only better in that they're going to be selective about what is cropped to help avoid those problematic scenes. And depending on what they're adding, they may re-animate even more problematic bits.

But Funi's release adds the same amount on the sides as Kai.

This is true. I don't know a lot about the process, but I think the bits 'added' on to the edges aren't redrawn or anything of the like -- they're just cropping from a film stock that is bigger than the 4:3 release was. So what's 'added' to the edges is just stuff that wasn't in frame when the 4:3 was created.

As Super Ghost says, they may redraw some parts when necessary.

[Velasa]

AKA, stuff that was never meant to be there in the first place. as opposed to... the top and bottom of the screen.

So it's a moot point by now. But the same way I don't believe in widescreen movies cropped into fullscreen, I'll never go for fullscreen tv shows cropped into widescreen. It's really not that much of a hardship to live with black on either side of the screen to get the intended aspect ratio. I'll never understand why it's nessicary to do.

[Bussani]

AKA, stuff that was never meant to be there in the first place. as opposed to... the top and bottom of the screen.

So it's a moot point by now. But the same way I don't believe in widescreen movies cropped into fullscreen, I'll never go for fullscreen tv shows cropped into widescreen. It's really not that much of a hardship to live with black on either side of the screen to get the intended aspect ratio. I'll never understand why it's nessicary to do.

Technically, if I'm right in imagining how the film stock works, none of it was 'meant to' be there. It was just cropped to 4:3 because that was the norm back then. In the process they still cut off some of the top and bottom of the original stock (if you look at one of Snaku's comparisons, there's actually extra video at the top as well as the sides). These days the normal for anime is a widescreen rario I think? So it sort of makes sense to re-crop it that way for HDTV, I guess.

The film stock probably was made with 4:3 in mind though, so they probably had some idea of what they would be keeping. Oh well.

[Velasa]

The animation directors and the animators knew that 4:3 was how it was going to be broadcast, so in that title-safe box is where everythimg important and all the composition decisions were kept. Anything else outside that was for artist refrence.

[Kendamu]

If it were to be animated like it was "intended to" then each scene should be framed exactly like the manga panels they're taken from. Thus, it should be nothing more than an animated comic like the clip below or I'm not watching it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xDamwlii5E

/Sarcasm

[Bussani]

The animation directors and the animators knew that 4:3 was how it was going to be broadcast, so in that title-safe box is where everythimg important and all the composition decisions were kept. Anything else outside that was for artist refrence.

I wonder how it was cropped originally. Did they just do like Funimation and crop out the middle, but in 4:3, or did they put more thought into it? Now I'm curious.

[Velasa]

It would have been animated so that the central title-safe image was what was intended to be seen. Pretty simple concept.

[Bussani]

I get that much, I just wonder if the 4:3 cropping was automatic or manual. Probably automatic, since the stock was made with 4:3 in mind.