Dragon Ball Z Being Re-edited and Re-dubbed for HDTV

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:21 am

Zenkai Power wrote:
Gozar wrote:
Tanooki Kuribo wrote:I've noticed in all the promo's for this series there is really nothing past the Freeza arc. Confused I'am sure it's nothing, just saying...
Have we gotten confirmation that it will in fact be the entire series?...But it's probably just because the Saiya-jin and Freeza Saga's intertwine with each other.
Maybe TOEI is doing this in "seasons" and for now it only goes up to the end of Freeza. They'll release another "season" of KAI later?

I was just under the assumptionm that they're just advertising for the part that would be showing in the immediate future rather than being like, "Hey, kids! Watch Buu in HD!... a year from now! In the meantime... uhh... NAPPA!" Instead, it's more like, "Hey, kids! Vegeta and Freeza are gonna whoop all over our heroes pretty soon so watch!"

linkdude20002001 · Post by **linkdude20002001** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:47 pm

Do you guys think Toei might decide to translate and subtitle Kai themselves to release on Direct2Drive and Crunchyroll as a part of their OnDemand service? http://www.toei-anim.com/ondemand/ I would certainly love Toei if they did that. You'd probably be able to watch each new episode an hour after it airs on TV in Japan (if you pay) and a week later if you aren't. I'd certainly pay. ^_^

snaku · Post by **snaku** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:47 pm

linkdude20002001 wrote:Do you guys think Toei might decide to translate and subtitle Kai themselves to release on Direct2Drive and Crunchyroll as a part of their OnDemand service? http://www.toei-anim.com/ondemand/ I would certainly love Toei if they did that. You'd probably be able to watch each new episode an hour after it airs on TV in Japan (if you pay) and a week later if you aren't. I'd certainly pay. ^_^

I'd pay too.

Daijuken · Post by **Daijuken** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:14 pm

snaku wrote:
linkdude20002001 wrote:Do you guys think Toei might decide to translate and subtitle Kai themselves to release on Direct2Drive and Crunchyroll as a part of their OnDemand service? http://www.toei-anim.com/ondemand/ I would certainly love Toei if they did that. You'd probably be able to watch each new episode an hour after it airs on TV in Japan (if you pay) and a week later if you aren't. I'd certainly pay. ^_^
I'd pay too.

Me three. Too bad I'm leaving Japan in 2 days.

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:01 pm

Daijuken wrote:
snaku wrote:
linkdude20002001 wrote:Do you guys think Toei might decide to translate and subtitle Kai themselves to release on Direct2Drive and Crunchyroll as a part of their OnDemand service? http://www.toei-anim.com/ondemand/ I would certainly love Toei if they did that. You'd probably be able to watch each new episode an hour after it airs on TV in Japan (if you pay) and a week later if you aren't. I'd certainly pay. ^_^
I'd pay too.
Me three.

Gosh, I hope that, so I can be lazy

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:15 pm

Here's some interesting stuff.

http://ghostlightning.wordpress.com/200 ... dbz-in-hd/

In the article is a YouTube video of some in-between animation being done for Kai. On the page they were talking about the "expandnig the frames" stuff that Toei and Wasted Wisher have been speaking of. It's making me wonder about the validity of the TV advertisement we've gotten so far (in comparison to the final product). It's also making me wonder if improvements will be made to "triangle crap" scenes from the original DBZ.

EDIT: This also means that Vegeta's hair and armor from his first appearance can be color-corrected without too many problems.

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:38 pm

Kendamu wrote:Here's some interesting stuff.

http://ghostlightning.wordpress.com/200 ... dbz-in-hd/

In the article is a YouTube video of some in-between animation being done for Kai. On the page they were talking about the "expandnig the frames" stuff that Toei and Wasted Wisher have been speaking of. It's making me wonder about the validity of the TV advertisement we've gotten so far (in comparison to the final product). It's also making me wonder if improvements will be made to "triangle crap" scenes from the original DBZ.

EDIT: This also means that Vegeta's hair and armor from his first appearance can be color-corrected without too many problems.

Definitive proof, finaly

I think it's a mix of selective cropping and redrawing.

Zenkai Power · Post by **Zenkai Power** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:09 pm

Kendamu wrote:Here's some interesting stuff.

http://ghostlightning.wordpress.com/200 ... dbz-in-hd/

In the article is a YouTube video of some in-between animation being done for Kai. On the page they were talking about the "expandnig the frames" stuff that Toei and Wasted Wisher have been speaking of. It's making me wonder about the validity of the TV advertisement we've gotten so far (in comparison to the final product). It's also making me wonder if improvements will be made to "triangle crap" scenes from the original DBZ.

EDIT: This also means that Vegeta's hair and armor from his first appearance can be color-corrected without too many problems.

OHHHHH... I get what they did now. Thanks to that video. They didn't just ADJUST COLORS. They took each frame and opened it in say, that tablet, and they RE-DREW AND COLORED OVER EACH FRAME!! So it's like tracing the original cels on your computer and then filling in the lines with new digital colors. In other words, it's the same art but it's been touched up frame by frame so it's actually new digital art "on top" of the old art... so it will look brand new and old at the same time. As far as adding things to the edges of the frames... I'm betting in some instances they will add objects or what-not to "frame" the scene more cinematically. Kind of like what Disney did with their Sleeping Beauty DVD.

That's much cooler than I thought. If he is doing "in-between" animation it has to be all the frames because those would be frames that would go by really quickly. That's crazy that they're doing that.

So in a way. They are re-animating the series. This likely means they can make the SSJ hair look much more awesome in the Freeza saga. They could digitally make it more yellow or glow or whatever. They could potentially do a lot of cool things if they are doing more than just adjusting colors and cropping it, which it appears that's what they're doing.

snaku · Post by **snaku** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:55 pm

Kendamu wrote:Here's some interesting stuff.

http://ghostlightning.wordpress.com/200 ... dbz-in-hd/

In the article is a YouTube video of some in-between animation being done for Kai. On the page they were talking about the "expandnig the frames" stuff that Toei and Wasted Wisher have been speaking of. It's making me wonder about the validity of the TV advertisement we've gotten so far (in comparison to the final product). It's also making me wonder if improvements will be made to "triangle crap" scenes from the original DBZ.

EDIT: This also means that Vegeta's hair and armor from his first appearance can be color-corrected without too many problems.

Woah, so perhaps the commercial wasn't indicative of the final product?

DemonRin · Post by **DemonRin** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:33 pm

snaku wrote:Woah, so perhaps the commercial wasn't indicative of the final product?

Or the cropping is going to be selective.
Because, to be honest, the few scenes we got to see in that 15 minute commercial were all scenes where only unimportant information got lost in the cropping. in one, you lost some bare ground and sky, in another you lose a bit of Son's arm, in another you lose their stomachs.
The best solution is that it will be a mix of selective re-framing (not exactly cropping, since they are re-framing the shots) and some extending where the cropping won't work.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:42 pm

snaku wrote:Woah, so perhaps the commercial wasn't indicative of the final product?

How unexpected of Toei!

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 4:11 am

Kendamu wrote:Here's some interesting stuff.

http://ghostlightning.wordpress.com/200 ... dbz-in-hd/

In the article is a YouTube video of some in-between animation being done for Kai. On the page they were talking about the "expandnig the frames" stuff that Toei and Wasted Wisher have been speaking of. It's making me wonder about the validity of the TV advertisement we've gotten so far (in comparison to the final product). It's also making me wonder if improvements will be made to "triangle crap" scenes from the original DBZ.

EDIT: This also means that Vegeta's hair and armor from his first appearance can be color-corrected without too many problems.

Really good news, I'm happy to see that there's even more effort being put into this than we thought from the Trailer. This can help ease the comparisons to FUNi's Season Sets.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:19 am

I don't have VLC Media Player on this computer at the moment, so could somebody please view this .mkv "Dragonball Kai promo" and tell me if it really is just the one that is already out? It seems to be fan-subbed by Genki's group, Saiyajin Corporation.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WZMK5N7Z

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:24 am

SSj_Rambo wrote:I don't have VLC Media Player on this computer at the moment, so could somebody please view this .mkv "Dragonball Kai promo" and tell me if it really is just the one that is already out? It seems to be fan-subbed by Genki's group, Saiyajin Corporation.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WZMK5N7Z

It's the same one, subbed in French.

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:37 pm

Zenkai Power wrote: So in a way. They are re-animating the series.

Just those few scenes.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:02 pm

sangofe wrote:
Zenkai Power wrote: So in a way. They are re-animating the series.
Just those few scenes.

Does HDTV have a different frame rate than standard TV? Maybe new in-between animation is being done because it's supposed to be in HD.

SHINOBI-03 · Post by **SHINOBI-03** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:08 pm

Kendamu wrote:
sangofe wrote:
Zenkai Power wrote: So in a way. They are re-animating the series.
Just those few scenes.
Does HDTV have a different frame rate than standard TV? Maybe new in-between animation is being done because it's supposed to be in HD.

We got an HD TV. I tried to watch an episode of Gintama on it ((it's 4:3)), but the image was cropped at the top and the bottom and I couldn't read the subtitles.

So as you can see, if you played a 4:3 video on a 16:9 TV, you'll get it cropped. Well, that's with our TV by the way. ((Samsung HD series 6))

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:12 pm

SHINOBI-03 wrote:
Kendamu wrote:
sangofe wrote: Just those few scenes.
Does HDTV have a different frame rate than standard TV? Maybe new in-between animation is being done because it's supposed to be in HD.
We got an HD TV. I tried to watch an episode of Gintama on it ((it's 4:3)), but the image was cropped at the top and the bottom and I couldn't read the subtitles.

So as you can see, if you played a 4:3 video on a 16:9 TV, you'll get it cropped. Well, that's with our TV by the way. ((Samsung HD series 6))

Try zooming the image out to 4:3 with pillarboxes on the sides. You'll probably be able to see the whole image.

Anywho, how about that whole frame rate thing?

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:14 pm

SHINOBI-03 wrote:We got an HD TV. I tried to watch an episode of Gintama on it ((it's 4:3)), but the image was cropped at the top and the bottom and I couldn't read the subtitles.

So as you can see, if you played a 4:3 video on a 16:9 TV, you'll get it cropped. Well, that's with our TV by the way. ((Samsung HD series 6))

Um, no it wouldn't. o_O

I'm guessing you were either watching a DVD with burned fansub videos on it (it's happened to me prior to Fullmetal Alchemist being licensed), or you haven't got your setting right.

4:3 videos NORMALLY show up just fine, just with empty spaces on the sides.

SHINOBI-03 · Post by **SHINOBI-03** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:23 pm

Tsukento wrote:
SHINOBI-03 wrote:We got an HD TV. I tried to watch an episode of Gintama on it ((it's 4:3)), but the image was cropped at the top and the bottom and I couldn't read the subtitles.

So as you can see, if you played a 4:3 video on a 16:9 TV, you'll get it cropped. Well, that's with our TV by the way. ((Samsung HD series 6))
Um, no it wouldn't. o_O

I'm guessing you were either watching a DVD with burned fansub videos on it (it's happened to me prior to Fullmetal Alchemist being licensed), or you haven't got your setting right.

4:3 videos NORMALLY show up just fine, just with empty spaces on the sides.

Well, It is "a DVD with burned fansub videos on it". I tried to adjust the screen in every possible way, but I couldn't get it as I want it to be.
There is an option for a 4:3 view, but it only cropped the sides even more.

That's why, before I burn a DVD, I make all the 4:3 videos to 16:9 by flatting them.