Dragon Ball: Evolution- Speculation and Discussion

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:35 pm

MisterFlashdude wrote:It was... bad. I don't mean bad as an adaption of Dragonball, but just a bad movie...

That's what I was afraid of. It could be a terrible adaption for all I cared, so long as it was good. But it doesn't sound like it is.

Why does the "highest form of airbending" light things on fire?

Do they actually call it 'airbending' or refer to it in that way? I was assuming splitting ki into different elements was more symbolic than physical, but I haven't read the novel or seen the film so I don't know.

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:37 pm

Bussani wrote:
Why does the "highest form of airbending" light things on fire?
Do they actually call it 'airbending' or refer to it in that way?

They literally call it airbending, yes.

Edit: "No body wuvs me..."

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:44 pm

MisterFlashdude wrote:
Bussani wrote:
Why does the "highest form of airbending" light things on fire?
Do they actually call it 'airbending' or refer to it in that way?
They literally call it airbending, yes.

God damnit, why? Airbending isn't even a word outside of Avatar.

See, I can see it. I can understand using ki to move the air. It's pointless to make a kamehameha work that way, but I can somehow forgive it. But actually calling it airbending?

I guess it somehow super heats the air to light the candles. Maybe it turns the air to plasma?

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:24 am

Kingdom Heartless wrote:Yeah, they would not let one of their most beloved game franchise become a laughable movie.

Oh.....right.

As you mentioned, SMB is indeed that. But I'd have to point out the work done to the English dub of Pokemon's first movie is so laughably bad.

You get Pokemon name errors, changing Mewtwo's views that Pokemon created by man are just as deserving to live as those created by God to "Grrr, I hate humans! Must take over the world!", music that has NOTHING to do with Pokemon, morals that are completely hypocritical (Pokemon shouldn't fight...yet the whole premise is about training them to beat the shit out of each other), and throwing in the most ridiculously bad puns whenever they can.

Super Sayian Prime · Post by **Super Sayian Prime** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:13 am

bkev wrote:There's a parody poster/comic thing somewhere, and the tagline for the pokemon movie was: "Gotta catch 'em all... ... before it's too late." So yeah, the pokemon will bring apocalypse or something. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if Hollywood did that at one point.

That was an Anime News Nina strip. That Pokemon movie was to star Shia LaBeouf...

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:33 am

By the way, I'm not seeing "Rule" listed on the official soundtrack. Is it not on the disc?

Post by **VegettoEX** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:49 am

Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:By the way, I'm not seeing "Rule" listed on the official soundtrack. Is it not on the disc?

Probably not...

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:32 pm

Bussani wrote:...God damnit, why? Airbending isn't even a word outside of Avatar.

See, I can see it. I can understand using ki to move the air. It's pointless to make a kamehameha work that way, but I can somehow forgive it. But actually calling it airbending?

I guess it somehow super heats the air to light the candles. Maybe it turns the air to plasma?

I somewhat explained the “air bending” thing in my review that I posted in another thread.

Later when Roshi is training Goku in the courtyard to help him control his Ki/Chi, their movements is very suggestive of the Chinese form of martial arts called Tai chi chuan ("supreme ultimate fist"). Which is very appropriate because this form of martial arts emphasize the development of one’s Chi/Ki or “"breath energy" by means of breathing exercises called “ch'i kung” thus in the movie any attacks that involve this energy is called “air bending”. Later when Goku is shot by Mai disguised as Chi-Chi and rendered in an unconscious death-like state Muten Roshi uses his Ki in the form of a Kamehameha to metaphorically “breathe” the breath of life back into Goku or revive him with his Ki or life energy.

snaku · Post by **snaku** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:09 pm

Which is funny, because Tai Chi was the basis for Waterbending in Avatar. Airbending was based on Ba Gua.

Dr. Casey · Post by **Dr. Casey** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:19 pm

MisterFlashdude wrote:

That's the Son Goku we know and love, alright. They've done a great job of bringing Toriyama's character to life.

It's sad, this is a fun discussion, and things are becoming lively with all the reviews pouring in, but it's probably just another four or five days until the monthly downtime. :( Sigh sigh.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:23 pm

I can't tell if that's a screenshot from Dragon Ball Evolution or from The Invisible.

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:25 pm

I think the orange/blue color scheme of the hoody is supposed to be some Smallville-esque allusion to his gi...

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:47 pm

snaku wrote:Which is funny, because Tai Chi was the basis for Waterbending in Avatar. Airbending was based on Ba Gua.

I believe it is a play off of the “air” and “breath” concept and how breathing can assist in building one’s Ki and manipulate it in various way thus “air bending”.

MisterFlashdude wrote:I think the orange/blue color scheme of the hoody is supposed to be some Smallville-esque allusion to his gi...

I agree, and I actually like a Kakarrot that actually shows an emotion besides idiocy if that is an emotion and it is not.

Dr. Casey · Post by **Dr. Casey** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:59 pm

I agree that Goku does have a pretty narrow emotional range sometimes, especially as an adult. There's only a few rare instances that really stand out (The meeting with Grandpa Gohan at Uranai Baba's tournament, crying whenever he stumbles upon Krillin after his fight against Tambourine, throwing a minor temper tantrum whenever Raditz kidnaps Gohan). Still, it does make sense, at least, that he'd become so toughened and disciplined after everything he went through in Dragon Ball.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:23 pm

Dr. Casey wrote:I agree that Goku does have a pretty narrow emotional range sometimes, especially as an adult. There's only a few rare instances that really stand out (The meeting with Grandpa Gohan at Uranai Baba's tournament, crying whenever he stumbles upon Krillin after his fight against Tambourine, throwing a minor temper tantrum whenever Raditz kidnaps Gohan). Still, it does make sense, at least, that he'd become so toughened and disciplined after everything he went through in Dragon Ball.

I would agree but he was somewhat like that in the beginning, I could easily understand Vegeta being that way because Freeza raised this man and he cried more than Kakarrot (I will admit for what may appear as vain and trivial reasons). Vegeta also showed other emotions whereas Kakarrot just had this sickening I am oblivious to real life thing going on.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:45 pm

Well, I just watched the movie, pretty much in it's entirety, The first 10-15 minutes appeared to be missing, and I guess who ever "taped" it shut off the camera few times cause there were some random cuts, but I couldn't find any other version. I already saw the Gohan/Goku fight, and it picked up right after.

For the record I will still go see it in theaters.

Anyway.

It is not bad. As a regular film, I would give it a C+, as a Dragonball film, a C-.

It's main flaw is that it movies way too quickly. Some scenes from the trailers weren't even included, unless they were in those first few minutes. Piccolo is played very well by Marsters, but he isn't really built up all that much. The final battle is short but pretty cool. The Fulum are mostly a waste of time other than a nod to Tambourine and the like. Oozaru looks like the Werewolves from American Werewolf in Paris, which was fine by me. He isn't huge, but I would say he is approximately 10-15 feet tall.

Anyway, I enjoyed it, and will definitely see it in theaters. I didn't like the ending scene, it seemed, well, weird.

The acting for the most part was acceptable, I don't recall any stand out horrible moments. Chi Chi is actually ok considering how they treated her Character, Jaime Chung does fine.

But as I said, it's main problem is that they condensed far to much information down to so little, that for non initiated fans, I can imagine a lot of confusion. This movie will definitely be popular with the kids, as If I had seen this movie as a young one I probably would have loved it.

It's good, probably about on par with Mortal Kombat one(I personally enjoyed it more though). It's leagues above Annihilation and from what I can remember about Street Fighter, Resident Evil, Double Dragon, Super Mario Bros, etc. The movie doesn't really take itself too seriously, and that's a good thing.

So overall, C+. I think they could make a very good sequel with the ground work they have laid out, but I guess we will just have to wait(and most likely bitch about every detail that we learn) and see(and bitch some more).

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:52 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:I agree, and I actually like a Kakarrot that actually shows an emotion besides idiocy if that is an emotion and it is not.

The only other emotions we've seen have been "lovey-dovey" and "Everyone at school picks on me. I hate being different.

"

Lord knows how many times we've seen those in movies.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:05 pm

Tsukento wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:I agree, and I actually like a Kakarrot that actually shows an emotion besides idiocy if that is an emotion and it is not.
The only other emotions we've seen have been "lovey-dovey" and "Everyone at school picks on me. I hate being different. "

Lord knows how many times we've seen those in movies.

Yes, but we have not seen Kakarrot behave in that manner, to me that is a treat within itself, finally a version of him that I actually like.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:15 pm

Congratulations, you like Naruto.

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:19 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:
Tsukento wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:I agree, and I actually like a Kakarrot that actually shows an emotion besides idiocy if that is an emotion and it is not.
The only other emotions we've seen have been "lovey-dovey" and "Everyone at school picks on me. I hate being different. "

Lord knows how many times we've seen those in movies.
Yes, but we have not seen Kakarrot behave in that manner, to me that is a treat within itself, finally a version of him that I actually like.

Then I have no idea how you can not like Gohan after he goes to Orange Star High.