Dragon Ball: Evolution- Speculation and Discussion

KaiserNeko · Post by **KaiserNeko** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:28 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:
Tsukento wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:I agree, and I actually like a Kakarrot that actually shows an emotion besides idiocy if that is an emotion and it is not.
The only other emotions we've seen have been "lovey-dovey" and "Everyone at school picks on me. I hate being different. "

Lord knows how many times we've seen those in movies.
Yes, but we have not seen Kakarrot behave in that manner, to me that is a treat within itself, finally a version of him that I actually like.

Well congratulations, you like a bastardization of Goku's entire character.

Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm a fan, I'm throwing around the word Bastardization and I'm taking offense over a 1980s/90s anime being translated terribly into an American film by the same company who has made some of the worst films to masquerade as quality cinema in the last 30 years. But if you really, really don't like Goku's character, then that's too bad for you.

Goku's character was UNIQUE in his bright disposition, his selfishness in terms of fighting, his playful behavior; he never let things get to him. Only when he was truly, frustratingly sad did he break down, and that's kind of a cool main character to have. Someone who's not afraid, someone who's happy and loves to kick some ass. It's unique, unlike the 'relevant' character you want.

You? You want a dumber version of the movie Peter Parker. You want an awkward Naruto. You want a character WHICH ISN'T GOKU. While I understand a new interpretation of Goku, why is that necessary? Goku's original character was bright, interesting in it's dynamic with everyone else... You could have had someone engaging in his hilarity as he makes everyone else around him gawk at how different and strange he is because he's not conventional or... relevant.

Super Sayian Prime · Post by **Super Sayian Prime** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:31 pm

omegacwa wrote:It's good, probably about on par with Mortal Kombat one(I personally enjoyed it more though). It's leagues above Annihilation and from what I can remember about Street Fighter, Resident Evil, Double Dragon, Super Mario Bros, etc. The movie doesn't really take itself too seriously, and that's a good thing.

I still fucking love Double Dragon.

I am a bit surprised you found Chung's acting to be decent. Because from the trailers, and snipits we've been getting she is the one who is urking me the most.

And why haven't FOX started advertsising yet? They've been doing it in the UK for a while now. But not North America? No child will know about DB:E if they don't see it on TV.

B · Post by B » Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:33 pm

It comes out in America in like, three weeks. I suspect television promos next week.

Super Sayian Prime · Post by **Super Sayian Prime** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:34 pm

I definately hope they aren't pulling a Chun-Li, because for that movie I saw one TV spot... the day after it came out.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:37 pm

Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:
Tsukento wrote: The only other emotions we've seen have been "lovey-dovey" and "Everyone at school picks on me. I hate being different. "

Lord knows how many times we've seen those in movies.
Yes, but we have not seen Kakarrot behave in that manner, to me that is a treat within itself, finally a version of him that I actually like.
Then I have no idea how you can not like Gohan after he goes to Orange Star High.

Just because he is Son Gohan…

Taku128 · Post by **Taku128** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:46 pm

KaiserNeko wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:
Tsukento wrote: The only other emotions we've seen have been "lovey-dovey" and "Everyone at school picks on me. I hate being different. "

Lord knows how many times we've seen those in movies.
Yes, but we have not seen Kakarrot behave in that manner, to me that is a treat within itself, finally a version of him that I actually like.
Well congratulations, you like a bastardization of Goku's entire character.

Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm a fan, I'm throwing around the word Bastardization and I'm taking offense over a 1980s/90s anime being translated terribly into a an American film by the same company who has made some of the worst movies to masquerade as quality cinema. But if you really, really don't like Goku's character, then that's too bad for you.

Goku's character was UNIQUE in his bright disposition, his selfishness in terms of fighting, his playful behavior; he never let things get to him. Only when he was truly, frustratingly sad did he break down, and that's kind of a cool main character to have. Someone who's not afraid, someone who's happy and loves to kick some ass. It's unique, unlike the 'relevant' character you want.

You? You want a dumber version of the movie Peter Parker. You want an awkward Naruto. You want a character WHICH ISN'T GOKU. While I understand a new interpretation of Goku, why is that necessary? Goku's original character was bright, interesting in it's dynamic with everyone else... You could have had someone engaging in his hilarity as he made everyone else around him gawk at how different and strange he is because he's not conventional or... relevant.

Thank you for saying what I didn't have the balls to say. And saying it a hell of a lot better then I would have...

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:09 pm

Taku128 wrote:
KaiserNeko wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote: Yes, but we have not seen Kakarrot behave in that manner, to me that is a treat within itself, finally a version of him that I actually like.
Well congratulations, you like a bastardization of Goku's entire character.

Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm a fan, I'm throwing around the word Bastardization and I'm taking offense over a 1980s/90s anime being translated terribly into a an American film by the same company who has made some of the worst movies to masquerade as quality cinema. But if you really, really don't like Goku's character, then that's too bad for you.

Goku's character was UNIQUE in his bright disposition, his selfishness in terms of fighting, his playful behavior; he never let things get to him. Only when he was truly, frustratingly sad did he break down, and that's kind of a cool main character to have. Someone who's not afraid, someone who's happy and loves to kick some ass. It's unique, unlike the 'relevant' character you want.

You? You want a dumber version of the movie Peter Parker. You want an awkward Naruto. You want a character WHICH ISN'T GOKU. While I understand a new interpretation of Goku, why is that necessary? Goku's original character was bright, interesting in it's dynamic with everyone else... You could have had someone engaging in his hilarity as he made everyone else around him gawk at how different and strange he is because he's not conventional or... relevant.
Thank you for saying what I didn't have the balls to say. And saying it a hell of a lot better then I would have...

I also wanna say thank you so much to KaiserNeko. I applaud you, sir. The whole Goku thing had me so livid there's no way I could come up with a response that eloquent. Many thumbs up.

B · Post by B » Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:13 pm

KaiserNeko wrote:You want a character WHICH ISN'T GOKU.

Well, he said himself he doesn't like Goku, so it's no surprise he's happy with it.

Cypher · Post by **Cypher** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:19 pm

And that's fine and all, but making out like others are the weird ones for actually LIKING the main character they've known for years and disliking the live-action's...shall we say, 'alternative take' is a bit off-kilter to me...

B · Post by B » Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:40 pm

Opinions are opinions. Making out him to be strange because he doesn't like the character you like is no better.

Cypher · Post by **Cypher** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:54 pm

I was speaking generally.

Dr. Casey · Post by **Dr. Casey** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:00 pm

Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:
Tsukento wrote: The only other emotions we've seen have been "lovey-dovey" and "Everyone at school picks on me. I hate being different. "

Lord knows how many times we've seen those in movies.
Yes, but we have not seen Kakarrot behave in that manner, to me that is a treat within itself, finally a version of him that I actually like.
Then I have no idea how you can not like Gohan after he goes to Orange Star High.

... ano... Kamikaze-kun... Gohan might be slightly lovey-dovey with Videl, but nobody picks on him, and he never angsts about being different...

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:08 pm

Dr. Casey wrote:
Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote: Yes, but we have not seen Kakarrot behave in that manner, to me that is a treat within itself, finally a version of him that I actually like.
Then I have no idea how you can not like Gohan after he goes to Orange Star High.
... ano... Kamikaze-kun... Gohan might be slightly lovey-dovey with Videl, but nobody picks on him, and he never angsts about being different...

I think you need to re-watch those episodes. He's made fun of for a lot of reasons, including social awkwardness and being someone from way out in the country. This is pretty quickly replaced with "WOAH HOW THE FUCK DID HE DO THAT?!", yeah. But Gohan is definitely picked on, and he takes it because he doesn't want to appear weird.

He may not angst about it, but the idea isn't THAT different. He sits there and tries to hold back in order to conform to the normal kids. In fact, from the sounds of it, if this were Gohan I'd be okay with the character adaptation.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:24 pm

I think many of you are taking the movie way too personally. I rather liked Julian's perspective on it because he knew it didn't mean shit to the anime or manga, it was just a movie.

Seriously, if you really physically hate the movie then you shouldn't watch comic book movies. I've seen FAR worse adaptations but I didn't have a heart attack.

Tweaker · Post by **Tweaker** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:32 pm

Jumping in the middle of the discussion here, but I just watched the movie.

And I hated it. A lot. I felt that the relation to Dragon Ball that the movie had was extremely marginal at best, and the elements that were included were sparsely so, and even then were done in a skewered context. The story was hard and confusing the follow, the pacing was all out of whack, and the acting was atrocious--especially on Chatwin's part. Absolutely deplorable.

For the record, this isn't an invitation to start a flamewar about how people think my opinion is "wrong"; I just thought I'd share my thoughts on the movie.

I will say this, though--Goku's last Kamehameha was pretty badass. The aura was done fantastically, and it really caught the atmosphere that the original show had in terms of a crucial ki battle. At least that was done right.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:33 pm

JAPPO wrote: I've seen FAR worse adaptations but I didn't have a heart attack.

Watchmen(Let's see how these fools respond to my sarcasm).

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:39 pm

JAPPO wrote:I think many of you are taking the movie way too personally. I rather liked Julian's perspective on it because he knew it didn't mean shit to the anime or manga, it was just a movie.

Seriously, if you really physically hate the movie then you shouldn't watch comic book movies. I've seen FAR worse adaptations but I didn't have a heart attack.

That's the problem though. Some of us aren't looking at this as a comic book adapted movie. Some of us are looking at it as JUST a movie, and it's completely flawed as a movie. The pacing is too fast, the lack of detail ends up becoming even more evident along with the fast pace of the movie.

Characters are left to being extremely dull and shallow. The plot has an incredible amount of plot holes that feel unfinished.

The movie spends more time hyping everything, but not doing much with it. An all powerful villain is plotting to conquer the world and the heroes have to put a stop to it, but there isn't much done with it. The villain seems to take a seat through out the whole movie, and when he is there, the focus is more on the fact that the main protagonist is actually a monster from a prophecy.

The big, powerful climactic attack is hyped at the end of previews. But when it actually happens in the movie, it's short and barely has any wow effect to it.

The characters have very little depth to them. The only things we get about them is that they're generic archetypes that you find in other stories. We don't find out too much about anyone other than the hero, and what we do know about him is completely surrounded in mystery as they don't explain much of anything about him.

This whole movie is about on the same page as teenage fanfiction, in regards to how it's written. It's shallow, makes no sense and leaves you wondering what the hell you just watched.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:55 pm

KaiserNeko wrote:...Well congratulations, you like a bastardization of Goku's entire character.

Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm a fan, I'm throwing around the word Bastardization and I'm taking offense over a 1980s/90s anime being translated terribly into an American film by the same company who has made some of the worst films to masquerade as quality cinema in the last 30 years. But if you really, really don't like Goku's character, then that's too bad for you.

Goku's character was UNIQUE in his bright disposition, his selfishness in terms of fighting, his playful behavior; he never let things get to him. Only when he was truly, frustratingly sad did he break down, and that's kind of a cool main character to have. Someone who's not afraid, someone who's happy and loves to kick some ass. It's unique, unlike the 'relevant' character you want.

You? You want a dumber version of the movie Peter Parker. You want an awkward Naruto. You want a character WHICH ISN'T GOKU. While I understand a new interpretation of Goku, why is that necessary? Goku's original character was bright, interesting in it's dynamic with everyone else... You could have had someone engaging in his hilarity as he makes everyone else around him gawk at how different and strange he is because he's not conventional or... relevant.

Individual’s can like a show without being in love with the main character. When I watched One Piece I liked Zoro/Zolo over Luffy, when I watched Bleach I preferred Renji and Tōshirō Hitsugaya over Ichigo. In Dragonball, I like everyone else over Kakarrot and Gohan. People express their opinions and argue their positions all the time. Yet, when I express mine and it is not in line with the majority, people jump down my throat. I am not compelling anyone to take my position I am just providing my reasons for liking the movie and its Goku. People ask why this forum has the reputation it does.

KaiserNeko · Post by **KaiserNeko** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:16 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:Yet, when I express mine and it is not in line with the majority, people jump down my throat. I am not compelling anyone to take my position I am just providing my reasons for liking the movie and its Goku. People ask why this forum has the reputation it does.

It's because I think that the idea of changing a character's core personality is wrong when it comes to adaptation. As such, I try to discourage people from celebrating such action, as do many others.

You have every right to your opinion, but people who disagree with your fundamental idea that this personality change is acceptable are going to say what's on their mind. Mostly because we see, time and time again, characters utterly mis-portrayed in other medias.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:34 pm

KaiserNeko wrote:It's because I think that the idea of changing a character's core personality is wrong when it comes to adaptation. As such, I try to discourage people from celebrating such action, as do many others.

You have every right to your opinion, but people who disagree with your fundamental idea that this personality change is acceptable are going to say what's on their mind. Mostly because we see, time and time again, characters utterly mis-portrayed in other medias.

You were rather rude about it though. You basically treated him like he was stupid for believing that.