Dragon Ball: Evolution- Speculation and Discussion

Tweaker · Post by **Tweaker** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:10 pm

omegacwa wrote:I've concluded that the majority of people who hate this movie hate it because they want to hate it, not because it's bad, and they will come up with reasons to justify there hate just so they can hate it.

The movie has it's problems, but it's fun and entertaining, albeit way too short.

See, this is the kind of argument I was trying to avoid. I don't like being grouped into some sort of "niche" that defines why I like or don't the movie; I have my own reasons, and I wish people would respect that instead of trying to say I'm looking for reasons to hate it.

I watched the movie; I didn't enjoy it. I said why. How could you possibly try and invalidate that? I didn't enjoy the acting; I didn't enjoy the pacing; I didn't enjoy the poor--in my opinion--adaptions from the original series, and I did not like the movie. Okay? Can I say that without getting dogpiled by the other side? I'd really enjoy that.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:19 pm

Captain Awesome wrote:
omegacwa wrote:Well, then I guess I was neutral.
All I've seen from you thus far begs to differ, unless it's somehow possible to be "neutral" while you write people off as "biased" and "haters" every time they bring up a legitimate criticism of the film.

Fine, whatever, arguing over opinions is stupid anyway. I have been neutral when it comes to the movie itself, but I have been biased when it comes to reviewing others opinions. I find it difficult to understand why so many people are hating this movie, it almost makes me think I saw a different movie, and in a way, I did. Because of my different mind set, I did see a different movie.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:20 pm

Tweaker wrote:
omegacwa wrote:I've concluded that the majority of people who hate this movie hate it because they want to hate it, not because it's bad, and they will come up with reasons to justify there hate just so they can hate it.

The movie has it's problems, but it's fun and entertaining, albeit way too short.
See, this is the kind of argument I was trying to avoid. I don't like being grouped into some sort of "niche" that defines why I like or don't the movie; I have my own reasons, and I wish people would respect that instead of trying to say I'm looking for reasons to hate it.

I watched the movie; I didn't enjoy it. I said why. How could you possibly try and invalidate that? I didn't enjoy the acting; I didn't enjoy the pacing; I didn't enjoy the poor--in my opinion--adaptions from the original series, and I did not like the movie. Okay? Can I say that without getting dogpiled by the other side? I'd really enjoy that.

Then answer this, why do I get “dog piled” for saying that I liked the movie and what they did to Kakarrot?

KaiserNeko · Post by **KaiserNeko** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:25 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:
Tweaker wrote:
omegacwa wrote:I've concluded that the majority of people who hate this movie hate it because they want to hate it, not because it's bad, and they will come up with reasons to justify there hate just so they can hate it.

The movie has it's problems, but it's fun and entertaining, albeit way too short.
See, this is the kind of argument I was trying to avoid. I don't like being grouped into some sort of "niche" that defines why I like or don't the movie; I have my own reasons, and I wish people would respect that instead of trying to say I'm looking for reasons to hate it.

I watched the movie; I didn't enjoy it. I said why. How could you possibly try and invalidate that? I didn't enjoy the acting; I didn't enjoy the pacing; I didn't enjoy the poor--in my opinion--adaptions from the original series, and I did not like the movie. Okay? Can I say that without getting dogpiled by the other side? I'd really enjoy that.
Then answer this, why do I get “dog piled” for saying that I liked the movie and what they did to Kakarrot?

A lot of it is probably fanboys who disagree with you. I'm disagreeing with you because I don't approve of changing... God, how many times do I have to repeat myself... I do not approve of changing core fundamentals in a franchise, and Goku's personality was just that. You're totally allowed to enjoy it, but your outward support for it is what bothers me, because changing things like that is not something I approve of.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:27 pm

Tweaker wrote:
omegacwa wrote:I've concluded that the majority of people who hate this movie hate it because they want to hate it, not because it's bad, and they will come up with reasons to justify there hate just so they can hate it.

The movie has it's problems, but it's fun and entertaining, albeit way too short.
See, this is the kind of argument I was trying to avoid. I don't like being grouped into some sort of "niche" that defines why I like or don't the movie; I have my own reasons, and I wish people would respect that instead of trying to say I'm looking for reasons to hate it.

I watched the movie; I didn't enjoy it. I said why. How could you possibly try and invalidate that? I didn't enjoy the acting; I didn't enjoy the pacing; I didn't enjoy the poor--in my opinion--adaptions from the original series, and I did not like the movie. Okay? Can I say that without getting dogpiled by the other side? I'd really enjoy that.

First, I was kidding when I said your opinion was wrong. You can think whatever you want.

The part of my post you quoted was a generalized statement. It just seems to me that things are that way.

I have tryed to justify why they might change things in the movie, but I never forced myself to like it. I watched it, and like it, that's it. As I said, it wasn't great, but it certainly wasn't shit.

My complaint is people saying stuff like:

"This movie is the worst fucking movie ever! The Acting was the worst I have ever seen!" and so on, but they do nothing to justify there opinion. If you didn't like the movie, then just say so, don't point out things you didn't like but then you have no idea how to back them up.

Again, I am not saying that is what you did. I was just generalizing. Trust me, I get you, I am constantly being attacked on this board by people who dislike the movie. This is basically a no win situation.

Honestly it seems like I am just going to enjoy the movie, and just have to wait through the endless shitstorms until things calm down, and then enjoy it in silence.

KaiserNeko · Post by **KaiserNeko** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:38 pm

Y'know what? Screw it, let the whole damn conversation die here. We're all fans here and we're all biased in our own little ways. We're indignant, we're opinionated, so instead of attacking each other...

Let's get back to the movie. 'Cause gosh darnit, it sure did blow. In my opinion.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:41 pm

That's what I said. Throwing around the whole "Well you're biased" card doesn't work when everyone has their own opinions on the movie that differs from others.

We're all fans of the same series and we all have enjoyed it in our own ways. This movie is another one of those additions to the incredibly huge paths of the fanbase; many won't like it, many will. And why is where it branches apart even more.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:43 pm

Meh, it was mediocre, In my opinion.

As for Goku's character, I feel he was only out of character during the high school parts/interactions with Chi Chi. The fight with the Bullies though was very Goku like. I actually had a big stupid grin on my face during that whole part, because that's basically when he became more Goku like for the rest of the movie.

The high school parts where short, and not all that bad, and quickly forgotten.

I didn't like Goku saying he had no friends, but I guess it's better than what was in that original script where he had those two geeky friends who played Dragonball the Gathering cards.

Also we should all be happy that they didn't include the whole "Kame Catch!" Volleyball game thing where Goku learns the Kamehameha by throwing a Volleyball around.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:46 pm

Tsukento wrote:That's what I said. Throwing around the whole "Well you're biased" card doesn't work when everyone has their own opinions on the movie that differs from others.

We're all fans of the same series and we all have enjoyed it in our own ways. This movie is another one of those additions to the incredibly huge paths of the fanbase; many won't like it, many will. And why is where it branches apart even more.

This is true. Honestly, although I own all of them, most of the animated movies are quite bad. I actually strongly dislike "The Tree of Might" yet I own three different copies.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:55 pm

omegacwa wrote:I actually strongly dislike "The Tree of Might"

You cannot be serious

I fucking love that movie.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:01 pm

The more I think about it, I think I don't really like any of the movies

yikes.

Wait, I do like "The World's Strongest" Ocean dub quite a bit, I also like Sleeping Princess in Devil's Castle. "The World's Strongest" might be my favorite movie. On the whole though I don't really like most of the movies, certain scenes from them, yeah, but not as a whole. But I think it's because for the exception of Movie 9, 10, and 11, It's all about Goku, and Vegeta (who is my favorite character) is shoved to the wayside. Even in Movie 7, when at that time Vegeta was Goku's superior, Vegeta gets beat by cooler like nothing while Goku is keeping pace. Damn you TOEI!!!!

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:06 pm

:slight spoilers:

I just watched the movie today... it started out good in my opinion. I felt Chatku was channeling Boo saga Gohan the whole movie which wasn't necessarily a bad thing. I enjoyed it up until they were trapped by Yamcha. This is where the pacing became unbearable. Things were jumping all over the place with little rhyme or reason. Yamcha's character was unbearably annoying with his "totally rad" speech pattern and surfer voice. It was literally 3rd season Funimation Yamcha incarnate. The fight scenes weren't awful just not overly amusing. They were mostly nothing but cliche' and corny. Can someone tell me why the original Kamehameha pose wasn't good enough? I didn't understand why they needed that weird little laughable dance before the attack. The Chatku and Chi Chi scenes were the most painful though, those were truly just embarrassing for all parties involved.

Maybe it's just my sense of humor but I enjoyed a lot of the jokes in this movie. It's a shame they had to take the "SRS BUSINESS" route instead of just treating this flick like a light fun action/adventure romp.

I love how the most faithful character with the best acting got the least screen time. Marsters was absolutely brilliant as Piccolo. I mean I really just enjoyed every scene he was is...I just wish he was in more scenes.

The whole thing about Nameks owning great apes and Dragonballs giving Chatku psychic visions was just sigh worthy. At this point I wasn't expecting anything less. After that torch lighting scene I was just waiting for this film to end.

All n' all I would rather watch the Chinese DB LAM. At least that had an excuse for being stupid. Also why was I getting a strong "Spy Kid" vibe from this movie? Maybe it was the acting.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:16 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:I just watched the movie today... it started out good in my opinion. I felt Chatku was channeling Boo saga Gohan the whole movie which wasn't necessarily a bad thing. I enjoyed it up until they were trapped by Yamcha. This is where the pacing became unbearable. Things were jumping all over the place with little rhyme or reason. Yamcha's character was unbearably annoying with his "totally rad" speech pattern and surfer voice. It was literally 3rd season Funimation Yamcha incarnate. The fight scenes weren't awful just not overly amusing. They were mostly nothing but cliche' and corny. Can someone tell me why the original Kamehameha pose wasn't good enough? I didn't understand why they needed that weird little laughable dance before the attack. The Chatku and Chi Chi scenes were the most painful though, those were truly just embarrassing for all parties involved.

Maybe it's just my sense of humor but I enjoyed a lot of the jokes in this movie. It's a shame they had to take the "SRS BUSINESS" route instead of just not taking it too seriously.

I love how the most faithful character with the best acting got the least screen time. Masters was absolutely brilliant as Piccolo. I mean I really just enjoyed every scene he was is...I just wish he was in more scenes.

The whole thing about Nameks owning great apes and Dragonballs giving Chatku psychic visions was just sigh worthy. At this point I wasn't expecting anything less. After that torch lighting scene I was just waiting for this film to end.

All n' all I would rather watch the Chinese DB LAM. At least that had an excuse for being stupid. Also why was I getting a strong "Spy Kid" vibe from this movie? Maybe it was the acting.

I agree with everything I put in bold. I thought Yamcha was fine(Although I was disappointed in the lack of a Rogafufuken, or uh, Yamcha fighting at all), to me the Chi ChixGoku scenes were tolerable. I also don't think the movie took itself "SRS BUSINESS", it might just be my prospective but the movie had a pretty "fun" atmosphere to me and it just seemed goofy and kid like. As I said, I think kid's will probably like it.

I can understand the Spykids thing as well.

I think I liked it more than the Chinese DB movie, but I think both movies have pacing issues. The Chinese one drags horribly, while this one rushes too much.

I also like the KameHameHa set up. I don't get the whole "dancing" thing people keep saying(from early descriptions I seriously expected Soulja BOy Crank That shit), if you have ever seen someone do Taichi or Kata(sp?) it looks like that, well to me anyway.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:28 pm

omegacwa wrote: I was disappointed in the lack of a Rogafufuken, or uh, Yamcha fighting at all)

You'd think they'd give him priority over Chi Chi when it comes to fight scenes eh? I really think him not fighting was just another case of the awful pacing.

omegacwa wrote:
I think I liked it more than the Chinese DB movie, but I think both movies have pacing issues. The Chinese one drags horribly, while this one rushes too much.

I just think this movie has less of an excuse seeing as how they actually had a budget higher then 26 dollars and professional actors.

omegacwa wrote: I also like the KameHameHa set up. I don't get the whole "dancing" thing people keep saying(from early descriptions I seriously expected Soulja BOy Crank That shit), if you have ever seen someone do Taichi or Kata(sp?) it looks like that, well to me anyway.

It just wasn't necessary (then again should I really be surprised about yet another relatively unnecessary change?) I just really don't see what was wrong with the original pose. It wasn't too far fetched or unfathomable to put in live action or anything.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:30 pm

Well the hands cupped at the side then throw was still kept, they just added unnecessary set up, which I didn't hate.

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:33 pm

omegacwa wrote:Well the hands cupped at the side then throw was still kept, they just added unnecessary set up, which I didn't hate.

Nope, his hands were at his chest, not his side.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:34 pm

I'm just wondering why they bothered to put that set up in at all. It just looks silly to me.

:Spoilers:

Come to think of it didn't this movie end the same way the Chinese movie ended? But instead of Goku Vs.Yamcha it was Goku Vs. Chi Chi (I could be wrong about that, it has been awhile since I watched the Chineese LAM.)

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:41 pm

I guess I mean he is standing with his body slightly tipped sideways, but he was also throwing it up, so uh, I don't know.

http://www.angelfire.com/ct2/cwabackyar ... ukame.tiff

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:45 pm

I think the Tai Chi stuff was to link it with a form of martial arts that is based in reality that has Chi/Ki as a major theme.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:35 am

So I just saw the movie and I gotta say the biggest thing hurting it is (like most people have said already) the pacing. When the credits began I was like "What the fuck just happened?" The only fight worth mentioning is the one in which Goku goes against the bullies at the party. It's like the only fight I can remember from the whole thing. It seemed like we were only given 25 to 50 % of every scene in the movie. Piccolo is barely in the movie and the bits he does show up he doesn't really do much. They could improve on the movie by making it like 40 to 60 minutes longer. They need to:

Show more of the world this story takes place in.
Have Goku and Piccolo actually do some martial arts.
Make the last battle 12 minutes longer.
Less Chi Chi.
Have Roshi fight Piccolo while Goku fights some more henchmen or some shit.
Overall just make the fights better and flesh out the story a lot more.

I mean to me it's not as bad as people say it is (certainly not the worst movie ever) but it's so disappointing when you know how great a LA Dragon Ball movie could have been if the took 2 seconds and put a bit more effort into it.