Dragon Ball: Evolution- Speculation and Discussion

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:17 pm

omegacwa wrote:I'm not unconvinced that studios don't purposely do terrible things just to get people pissed. I mean, it could very well be possible.

No I don't think Fox was passing around unfinished copies to everybody just to pull one over on all da "haters". I mean really?

B · Post by B » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:17 pm

omegacwa wrote:I'm not unconvinced that studios don't purposely do terrible things just to get people pissed.

Maybe writers for a show produced in a studio, but an ENTIRE studio?

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Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:19 pm

JAPPO wrote:ROSHI
Two thousand years ago, around 200 B.C., the Earth was nearly destroyed. It started with an eclipse by the blood moon. Fire rained from the sky, water covered the land and storms raged everywhere. The only recorded history of this event came from China - the Qin Dynasty. They wrote of an invasion, not by men, but by gods from the sky.

Wait, what? 200 BC, seriously? The Battle of Thermopylae took place in 480 BC. Alexander the Great died in 323 BC. Rome crushed Carthage in the Second Punic War in 201 BC. Why the hell would China be the only place with a record of this invasion?

Also, the Qin dynasty fell in 206 BC. The Han dynasty ruled China in 200 BC.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:20 pm

Fox is a business, like any movie studio. They aren't going to purposely piss off people but in the process of trying to milk as much as they can out of their films (cutting it down to 80 minutes and PG so it will be shown on more screens, etc.) they inevitably do.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:20 pm

omegacwa wrote:It's a perfectly valid defense.

No, it never was.

If you don't like something so much that you refer to someone as a hack

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn about the movie. But that doesn't make the writer any less of a hack.

I'm not unconvinced that studios don't purposely do terrible things just to get people pissed. I mean, it could very well be possible.

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omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:21 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:
omegacwa wrote:I'm not unconvinced that studios don't purposely do terrible things just to get people pissed. I mean, it could very well be possible.
No I don't think Fox was passing around unfinished copies to everybody just to pull one over on all da "haters". I mean really?

Ha, no didn't say that. That was SaiyanProfessor. I was just saying that I am not sure that studios or writers or whoever wouldn't purposely fuck things up just to make some people angry.

I mean, I remember a story. When the original Crow was being made, a producer actually told James O"Barr that they loved his comic, but wanted to change direction and make it an upbeat musical staring Micheal Jackson.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:22 pm

Rocketman wrote:the Qin dynasty fell in 206 BC. The Han dynasty ruled China in 200 BC.

Well, he said "around".

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:23 pm

Olivier Hague wrote:
omegacwa wrote:It's a perfectly valid defense.
No, it never was.

If you don't like something so much that you refer to someone as a hack
Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn about the movie. But that doesn't make the writer any less of a hack.

I'm not unconvinced that studios don't purposely do terrible things just to get people pissed. I mean, it could very well be possible.
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Good post. You should win an award. I gave my explanation of why it's a valid argument, and you just ignored it. If you don't care about the movie, then don't post in this topic, OK.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:25 pm

omegacwa wrote:I was just saying that I am not sure that studios or writers or whoever wouldn't purposely fuck things up just to make some people angry.

That would be quite stupid of them. 'Makes me wonder why you have a problem with me calling them hacks.

I gave my explanation of why it's a valid argument, and you just ignored it.

Not quite.

If you don't care about the movie, then don't post in this topic, OK.

Yes, please give me orders.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:28 pm

omegacwa wrote: I was just saying that I am not sure that studios or writers or whoever wouldn't purposely fuck things up just to make some people angry.

I mean, I remember a story. When the original Crow was being made, a producer actually told James O"Barr that they loved his comic, but wanted to change direction and make it an upbeat musical staring Micheal Jackson.

I have a hard time believing the people who put a lot of time, effort and money into making this film would purposely risk loosing a whole audience demographic just for shits and giggles. "We COULD make it like the original but wouldn't it be fun to fuck with some Dragonball fanboys!?" I mean that just doesn't sound like something that would come out of a professionals mouth.

I'm sure that tale was just the director dicking around, now if he actually went through with it that would be a different story.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:30 pm

Uh, how is my point not valid, If you don't like something then change it, it's as simple as that.

What's your counter argument "I can't make a movie cause I don't have the money or resources"

Well chief. Create the resources. Find Money Marks to help produce the film. Get and agent, go to fox, talk to them. Make them listen to you. Find people to help your cause. It's difficult but its far from unattainable. Find a non "hack" writer, get a script done. Bring it in, show integrity and be firm. Show the world you actually care and you can make a difference.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:32 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:
omegacwa wrote: I was just saying that I am not sure that studios or writers or whoever wouldn't purposely fuck things up just to make some people angry.

I mean, I remember a story. When the original Crow was being made, a producer actually told James O"Barr that they loved his comic, but wanted to change direction and make it an upbeat musical staring Micheal Jackson.
I have a hard time believing the people who put a lot of time, effort and money into making this film would purposely risk loosing a whole audience demographic just for shits and giggles. "We COULD make it like the original but wouldn't it be fun to fuck with some Dragonball fanboys!?" I mean that just doesn't sound like something that would come out of a professionals mouth.

I'm sure that tale was just the director dicking around, now if he actually went through with it that would be a different story.

Grr. Can you guys please stop taking that so seriously. Producers are known to change things to there liking whether or not it affects the fans and what not, they don't give a shit. That's all I mean.

EDIT: Oh, also what you said about the having a hard time believing that people would work so hard on something just to fuck with people, that's pretty much exactly what I said months and months ago when people were saying that FOX purposely fucked up Evolution... Hmm... Now that I am saying that it is possible that something to that extent could have occurred people are jumping on my back, well...

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:37 pm

omegacwa wrote:Uh, how is my point not valid, If you don't like something then change it, it's a simple as that.

Yeah, with "online petitions", huh?
Sure, I'll get to that one as soon as I'm done writing my "world peace" online petition.

But did you miss the part where I said that I didn't give a damn? 'Cause I really don't.
I actually think making a live-action Dragon Ball movie is a stupid idea. I can think of... oh, at least a couple of better ways to spend millions.

Producers are known to change things to there liking whether or not it affects the fans and what not, they don't give a shit.

Sure, they give a shit. Do you really know what being a producer is all about?

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:44 pm

Olivier Hague wrote:
omegacwa wrote:Uh, how is my point not valid, If you don't like something then change it, it's a simple as that.
Yeah, with "online petitions", huh?
Sure, I'll get to that one as soon as I'm done writing my "world peace" online petition.

But did you miss the part where I said that I didn't give a damn? 'Cause I really don't.
I actually think making a live-action Dragon Ball movie is a stupid idea. I can think of... oh, at least a couple of better ways to spend millions.

Producers are known to change things to there liking whether or not it affects the fans and what not, they don't give a shit.
Sure, they give a shit. Do you really know what being a producer is all about?

An Online Petition was just one of many things I said to do. They hardly work on there own, but in conjunction with other methods they could be effective.

And yeah, I know. A Producer is the person who funds the movie, overseas the whole movie process(Hiring a director, finding a casting agent, finding locations and so on). They often have some creative influence as well as they are sometimes the one who finds the script.

But some producers often find themselves changing things in a script or in the production to their liking. They are the ones paying for the movie so why shouldn't they be able to. So if they want Superman to have no cape and be 150 years old and wheelchair bound, unless you have a Director/Writer who is very dedicated, that stuff will fly.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:49 pm

omegacwa wrote:An Online Petition was just one of many things I said to do. They hardly work on there own, but in conjunction with other methods they could be effective.

Yes, maybe a time machine, so I can go back in time, stop the movie from happening, and convince Fox to save lives with its intended budget.

some producers often find themselves changing things in a script or in the production to their liking.

Genrally (I'm sure there are some lunatics out there), "their liking" is their idea of what the public would pay money to see. Sure, a lot of producers appear to be completely clueless about that, but the intent? It's there.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:53 pm

Olivier Hague wrote:
omegacwa wrote:An Online Petition was just one of many things I said to do. They hardly work on there own, but in conjunction with other methods they could be effective.
Yes, maybe a time machine, so I can go back in time, stop the movie from happening, and convince Fox to save lives with its intended budget.

Hmm... Well, I don't think a time machine would be necessary. Seriously, if you don't want them to make a sequel, and you would prefer that the budget be used for world hunger or something then organize a group of people who "hate" this movie. You won't have to go far to find them. Get a group together. Then as a whole go to Fox and protest. Contact Local news stations and let them know your going. If you make a big enough stink then they are going to have to smell it.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:55 pm

omegacwa wrote:Seriously, if you don't want them to make a sequel

Seriously, I'm not worried about that.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:33 am

NeptuneKai wrote:
omegacwa wrote: I was just saying that I am not sure that studios or writers or whoever wouldn't purposely fuck things up just to make some people angry.

I mean, I remember a story. When the original Crow was being made, a producer actually told James O"Barr that they loved his comic, but wanted to change direction and make it an upbeat musical staring Micheal Jackson.
I have a hard time believing the people who put a lot of time, effort and money into making this film would purposely risk loosing a whole audience demographic just for shits and giggles. "We COULD make it like the original but wouldn't it be fun to fuck with some Dragonball fanboys!?" I mean that just doesn't sound like something that would come out of a professionals mouth.

I'm sure that tale was just the director dicking around, now if he actually went through with it that would be a different story.

Well I am not as nice as Fox but if I was one of the executives and saw, some of the comments that was/is circulating about the movie, I would have done that very thing. Give the crappy cut to the other countries because I know it would be illegally recorded and circulated and then when it hit the States release the genuine article.

It is easy to criticize when you are not the person(s) writing and putting your time and money into something.

Taku128 · Post by **Taku128** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:42 am

Saiyan-Professor wrote:Well I am not as nice as Fox but if I was one of the executives and saw, some of the comments that was/is circulating about the movie, I would have done that very thing. Give the crappy cut to the other countries because I know it would be illegally recorded and circulated and then when it hit the States release the genuine article.

And then the same people would pirate the American release and still hate it.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 1:10 am

Saiyan-Professor wrote:Well I am not as nice as Fox but if I was one of the executives and saw, some of the comments that was/is circulating about the movie, I would have done that very thing. Give the crappy cut to the other countries because I know it would be illegally recorded and circulated and then when it hit the States release the genuine article.

It is easy to criticize when you are not the person(s) writing and putting your time and money into something.

If you were in charge, you would easily cause the loss of many jobs. You would also cause a huge outrage from people in other countries who pay MORE than we do in ticket prices just because you want to be petty and "show those people on those internets."

Regardless of where it's shown, it will STILL be recorded and shown on the internet. If there's a movie, it's been pirated. That's just how the internet is.