Is it just me or do the fights get worse in the movies?

[Chrono Trigger]

It is my personal opinion that the first 3 movies are the best movies out of ALL the Z movies. If I ever wanted to get someone into Dragon Ball Z I'd always show them either Dead Zone or The World's Strongest. The fights in these movies are so intense and technical and that's what I love about them. The fights in Tree of Might weren't bad but they certainly did have that same intense lighting fast choreography. After movie 3 though the fights just get worse and worse in my opinion.

On the other hand I will admit that the plots do improve as the movies go on and the character designs for the villains do get cooler but the fights really seem to suffer in the movies. Don't get me wrong I know how much most people love movie 9, 12, and 13 but were the fights really that great? I don't know. I mean you could even go down the line:

Movie 1: Great fights. Fast, Intense, and mostly pure martial arts.
Movie 2: More of the same but arguably better.
Movie 3: Not as great as the first to but still fast paced and cool.

Then you have:

Movie 4: In my opinion the only good fight in this one was when Goku shows up and kills the 2 henchmen. After that they just kinda fizzle out (although the part where he runs up Slugs arm was pretty cool.)

Movie 5: Sure it was cool watching Cooler pound Goku (cause you never really see that in the main series) but that wasn't much of a fight. Even after he transforms he just whacks Cooler 2 times and that's it! Where the pay off?

Movie 6: The fights in this one were just okay to me. Mostly just "Teleport, Earth Shattering Collision, Ki blast, Ki blast, KI BLAST!"

Movie 7: All of the fights in this one were kinda dull.

Movie 8: Just awful. I really don't care for 8 and this was mainly why. Broly is just cloths lining the fuck outta everyone for 40 minutes.

Movie 9: Fights in this were alright but why did they have people show up to just get instantly KO'd? They could have done so much more.

Movie 10: All I remember about the fights in this one were a bunch of Ki blasts.

Movie 11: I can't even remember the fights in this movie....

Movie 12: I'm not even gonna lie the fights in this movie were pretty good. Not as good as movies 1 and 2 but good. Gogeta should have done more though.

Movie 13: I really don't understand what people see in this movie. They're just fighting a gigantic ass monster. It really wasn't that entertaining.


So that's just my take on it but what do you guys think. I know you all have your favorites but can you really say the fights in the later movies were really that great?

[Pain]

Well I myself absolutely love movie 13. But movie 1 had the best fights, hands down.

[caejones]

Agreed on most counts.
Movie13 isn't popular for the villain or the fights. You'll notice those get way less screentime than the villains and fights of the other movies.

Movie1 seems to be an actual movie, and the fighting actually seems to fit pretty well into that. Also, it's coming off of 23rd tournament-style awesomeness... sounds like win to me.
Movie2... umm... I have no idea why I dislike this movie, considering that it's rather creative compared to the rest. *shrug*.
Movie3. . . Seems a little generic, though the fighting was definitely better than some of the later things, methinks.
Movie4........ ChiChi wacking aliens is always fun. That's... all.
movie5: Well, the way this moved kinda made the fights less important (sorta), but ... I'll agree on the Cooler Vs Goku mess. (The dub turns this into a series of music videos. . ).
Movie6: I don't care.
Movie7:
Movie8: Don't care.
Movie9: There was good stuff, but it was really... dropped? Could have been way better than it was. Other than a few little character thingies, movie9 just screams generic.
Movie10: The fighting is totally not what I like about htis movie. XD
movie11: I've only seen a few minutes of it. :-/
Movie12: Meh, 'tev.
Movie13: Like I said... what makes this movie good isn't the fighting. XD.

Movies 4-10 in the FUNi dub ... bore me. It's basically Guitars, someone screaming, violence, and the occasional amusing line or two. Feels like a music video rather than a movie... and I'm not so sure I expect much different from the Japanese version of some of those. (I totally like Movie10 in Japanese... haven't seen the others in said form. Well, a few seconds of 7...).

[Rocketman]

Movie 9: Fights in this were alright but why did they have people show up to just get instantly KO'd?

And people wonder why Vegeta doesn't show up in Movie 10.

Movie 6: Alright, my movie debut! And I'm stronger than Kakarot at this point so I should have a good- *gets clocked over the horizon, kicked around and collapses before Goku delivers the killing blow*

Movie 7: Well, OK, I'll try again here! I'm still stronger than Kakarot, so-*gets nearly broken in half, collapses like a bitch while Goku takes a million times more punishment and keeps getting back up, then gets a totally nonsensical killing blow, even for DBZ*

Movie 8: Fine, I'll attack the bad guy BEFORE he reaches his final form! *foot bounces off bad guy's neck* Oh, what the fuck. *gets back in the fight later...for two seconds before getting torn up; also, his power was enough to make the bad guy explode, but only in Goku's body*

Movie 9: Man, I don't wanna go out there... oh, fine. Hey guys, Vegeta's he-*gets his spine shoved out his ears, goes down like the queen of bitches; Mr. Gigantic Pussy himself gets to be the hero instead*

Movie 10: Fuck you, I ain't doing it.

[Horgus]

I really like Movie 6.


That scene where Cooler repairs himself and shrugs off a series of attacks by Goku is just the epitome of bad-ass.

[Forgotten Hero]

I mostly agree, the first six movies were my favorites, but the few... not so much.

[RoarkVegeta]

Movie 9: Fights in this were alright but why did they have people show up to just get instantly KO'd?

And people wonder why Vegeta doesn't show up in Movie 10.

Movie 6: Alright, my movie debut! And I'm stronger than Kakarot at this point so I should have a good- *gets clocked over the horizon, kicked around and collapses before Goku delivers the killing blow*

Movie 7: Well, OK, I'll try again here! I'm still stronger than Kakarot, so-*gets nearly broken in half, collapses like a bitch while Goku takes a million times more punishment and keeps getting back up, then gets a totally nonsensical killing blow, even for DBZ*

Movie 8: Fine, I'll attack the bad guy BEFORE he reaches his final form! *foot bounces off bad guy's neck* Oh, what the fuck. *gets back in the fight later...for two seconds before getting torn up; also, his power was enough to make the bad guy explode, but only in Goku's body*

Movie 9: Man, I don't wanna go out there... oh, fine. Hey guys, Vegeta's he-*gets his spine shoved out his ears, goes down like the queen of bitches; Mr. Gigantic Pussy himself gets to be the hero instead*

Movie 10: Fuck you, I ain't doing it.

... Best post ever.

[Wojak]

Not in the movies alone, but also in the manga and series.
Kung-fu punches and techniques get changed into ki-blasts and more simple punches and kicks.

[caejones]

Not in the movies alone, but also in the manga and series.
Kung-fu punches and techniques get changed into ki-blasts and more simple punches and kicks.

And thus, Gotenks and Buu are special.
No, actually. I agree with Wojak completely, which is half of the reason I don't care about the Majin Vegeta / Goku fight. So. Freaking. Boring. Not only isn't it going anywhere, but you know from the moment it starts that it's not going anywhere until after Gohan and Kaioshin fail to stop the resurrection of Buu. The same match in any of the Sparking! games is more interesting.
I didn't actually care much for Gotenks, but from then until Goku and Vegeta start fighting again everything seems way more epic, and the fights(or rather, the content of the fights) actually acomplish something for plot/character stuff...
And then we fight Kid Buu and it's the same stuff until Mr. Satan and Mr. Buu jump in, and even then Buu vs Buu gets monotonous rather quickly.

[Saiyan-Professor]

Movie 9: Fights in this were alright but why did they have people show up to just get instantly KO'd?

And people wonder why Vegeta doesn't show up in Movie 10.

Movie 6: Alright, my movie debut! And I'm stronger than Kakarot at this point so I should have a good- *gets clocked over the horizon, kicked around and collapses before Goku delivers the killing blow*

Movie 7: Well, OK, I'll try again here! I'm still stronger than Kakarot, so-*gets nearly broken in half, collapses like a bitch while Goku takes a million times more punishment and keeps getting back up, then gets a totally nonsensical killing blow, even for DBZ*

Movie 8: Fine, I'll attack the bad guy BEFORE he reaches his final form! *foot bounces off bad guy's neck* Oh, what the fuck. *gets back in the fight later...for two seconds before getting torn up; also, his power was enough to make the bad guy explode, but only in Goku's body*

Movie 9: Man, I don't wanna go out there... oh, fine. Hey guys, Vegeta's he-*gets his spine shoved out his ears, goes down like the queen of bitches; Mr. Gigantic Pussy himself gets to be the hero instead*

Movie 10: Fuck you, I ain't doing it.

... Best post ever.

Amen to that, I have been preaching that Vegeta was screwed through the series for a minute now.

[MajinKing]

I dont realy watch the movies for the fighting, I watch it for the plot. Like movie 13 was more about the plot then the action.

[omegacwa]

It's pretty sad that even though Vegeta was the strongest of all the main characters during Movies 6 and 7, he still gets beat up horribly, yet Goku, who was weaker at the time saves the day. I mean, it's obviously because Goku is the main character, but still Toei, come on.

[Wojak]

It's pretty sad that even though Vegeta was the strongest of all the main characters during Movies 6 and 7, he still gets beat up horribly, yet Goku, who was weaker at the time saves the day. I mean, it's obviously because Goku is the main character, but still Toei, come on.

It's not only strength, it's also spirit! Vegeta lacks spirit!
That's all Omegacwa-san.
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[ShinRogafuken]

To be honest, I thought a movie with good fights was Dragon Ball: Movie 3 (Mystical Adventure).

Here are my reviews:

Movie 1- Very good, fast paced, fighting. The music (Japanese score) also helped

Movie 2- Meh, I didn't really like the fighting here except when Master Roshi was fighting the Bio Warriors.

Movie 3- The fighting was kind of boring between Goku and Turles, but when Tien, Krillin, Yamcha etc. were fighting the individual henchmen, it was good.

Movie 4- Pretty bad, except there were 2 good moments: Chi-Chi's small fight and Goku's False Super Saiyajin.

Movie 5- Eh, it was ok. I didn't really like it that much, however I thought the small battle in the woods with Salza and Piccolo was kickass.

Movie 6- I couldn't stand the fighting here, it was so boring....

Movie 7- It was ok, but overall not that great, however Super 13 had some cool moves.

Movie 8- Very generic, some of Broly's moves were cool, but overall suckish.

Movie 9- You could kinda tell they were trying to make it really kickass, but it seem too rushed and it was a fail

Movie 10- To be honest, I didn't think it was too bad. Nothing special though.

Movie 11- No comment....

Movie 12- Very good, Gogeta just didn't fight enough

Movie 13- Meh, this was very good for the story, but the fighting was mediocre, although I did like Tapion's sword attack.

[Freeza Heika]

None of the movies really had everything that they could have. There were always either repetitive fights, Goku mongering, or a villain that just isn't an enjoyable character to watch.

Movie 1: The fights were definitely good, but I thought Garlic Junior was too generic, and it really bugged me to the point of not enjoying it.


Movie 2: I think movie 2 had they perfect combination of 23rd Budokai and Z-style fighting. Plus the villain was creative.


Movie 3: Seemed kind of derivative of the entire Saiyan arc, and it always annoys me that no one else just eats some of the damn fruit too!

Movie 4: I like this movie more than I think that most people do. It may be derivative, but it's derived well and derived from one of the best story arcs in the series.

Movie 5: Movie 5 is my favorite movie. The reason isn't something that I really know how to quantify. The fights and the characters and the fights just have a certain je ne sais quoi.

Movie 6: I'm not 100% on this, but I think it is the first time we see Vegeta and Goku team up, so thumbs up.

Movie 7:Way too much Goku mongering in the fights.

Movie 8: Ugh...Broly. It was like watching deer in the headlights, but then at the end the corpses of all got caught up in the tires and forced the car into a ditch, saving the last deer in the road.

Movie 9: Short fights. Not very interesting.

Movie 10: It's like move 7 and movie 8 had a baby.

Movie 11: Reminded me of Power Rangers for some reason.

Movie 12: Best fights that the movies had had in a long time. I wish Gogeta had a little been around longer, but you can't win them all.

Movie 13: Wasn't really fighting. More like exchanging blows... if that makes sense.

[Saiyajin no Tatsujin]

I agree with you, chrono trigger, about movie #12.

Gogeta was there, and 2 minutes later he was gone. Too short. And the fights between Junemba and SSJ3 Goku (and (SSJ Vegeta) were awesome, but could've been longer. It would've been cool to have both of them fight Junemba at the same time for a little bit too.

Movie #1 is easily one of the best for seeing Goku use actual martial arts movements and not just brute powerful punch, kick and chi attacks (i.e. in later movies). This movie would've been the absolute best out of all of them had Goku and Piccolo went at it at the end. And you guys know I'm right.

Movie #2 is just plain awesome to see Muten Roshi fight. And, in my opinion, the Kamehameha he does in this movie is one of the absolute best-looking and best-sounding. He says the chant like a true master. Goku and Piccolo trade some nice-looking martial arts blows and holds too. Awesome movie.

Movie #10 is another one of my favorites, mainly for watching Gohan take on Broly. What a great fight! Truly epic in all proportions, especially Gohan's entrance (one of my favorite character entrances). And the animation was especially well-done for this fight too, I think.

[ImmortalSandwich]

Movie 1:
Awesome. Hands down, the best. Good storyline, great fighting, great everything. The only thing I dislike is Gohan's song, but it's nothing worth complaining about.

Movie 2:
Also very good. Interesting storyline, good fighting, etc.

Movie 3:
I love the fights in this movie, but the rest I find rather boring. This is basically the Z-Warrior's last decent show before they get bitch slapped by all the Saiyans, and they go out with somewhat of a bang in this one. The ending was retarded though.

Movie 4:
This was a decent movie, though it was a total rip off of the Piccolo Daimao saga, but whatever. Goku's false SSJ was pretty cool, and I really wish he did this enraged Kaioken state (whatever you want to call it) in the show.

Movie 5:
This movie sucked. Seriously. The nu metal background music didn't help either. The story was pretty straight forward and the fights were boring.

Movie 6:
This movie is retarded. Drastically worse than Movie 5. It's like a horrible abortion. Stupid storyline, equally stupid villain, shitty fighting. Ugh.

Movie 7:
This movie is pretty lame also, but it has one redeeming quality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4FWQg5KPAY

Someone needs to make a gif of this. I love how he loses his transformation xDDD

Movie 8:
Another really bad DBZ movie. Broly is a horrible enemy, and the fighting isn't very good. Storyline would be okay if it didn't have anything to do with Broly. I mean seriously, he holds a grudge against Goku since he was ONE DAY OLD for fucking CRYING. AND, he flies through space with a force field around him for god knows how long before finding a planet he and his father can live on. Bullshit. Broly is retarded.

Movie 9:
This one is pretty decent. The storyline is mediocre, but I liked the action. It was pretty awesome how Gohan just kills the shit out of everyone. It was lame how Goku had to get involved though.. He couldn't just let Gohan steal the show one more time could he?

Movie 10:
I hate Broly. That is all.

Movie 11:
This one is better than the other Broly movies. I liked watching Goten, Trunks, and Krillin fight. And it's got some pretty funny scenes with 18 and Satan too.

Movie 12:
Awesome. I love this movie to death. It's got the perfect mix of seriousness and funniness, the storyline is good, there's plenty of action, and Goku kicks some serious ass. Then Gogeta kicks even more ass, though I wish he had an actual fight. Oh well, this movie still rocks.

Movie 13:
Lame times ten. The storyline is horrible in this one. Gohan and Goku act like fucking retards, giant monsters in DBZ are not cool, and what the fuck is the Dragon Fist and where did it come from? It was completely random. The Japanese title sort of implies that it's like some kind of special technique that Goku has to learn or something.. But no, he just pulls it out of his ass 10 minutes later than he should have. And the American title is even worse. "Wrath Of The Dragon" What? Seriously, what?

All in all, I don't like many of the DBZ movies. Most people around here seem to enjoy a lot of the things I disliked about the movies, but eh. The first three and movie 12 were the best.

[caejones]

And just so everyone knows, the "Goku, Vegeta and Gogeta should have longer fights" sentament... ur... I don't have it.
I mean... the movie was building up to Goku and Vegeta having to fuse. No point in making a long fight out of the results when we knew as soon as Vegeta gave in they'd win.
Ah, who'm'I kidding... noone watches these things with "fight makes sense" on their list of quality-qualifications.

* I exaggerate the last part a little bit. ... Emphasis on little.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Movie 1: Hands down, the best movie for fighting sequences. I liked Goku using early Z-style martial arts techniques for taking down Garlic Junior's henchmen. And I like Kami fighting Garlic Junior as well.

Movie 2: Again, pretty good! Fight sequences were not too shabby, storyline was average.

Movie 3: Same as Movie 2.

Movie 4: This is where the movie fights begin to go slightly downhill. The fight sequences were less interesting, in my opinion. And shorter.

Movie 5: I only really liked Piccolo vs. Cooler's Henchmen. Sorry. Plus, why didn't Goku just transform into SSJ from the start? I know they did it for dramatic effect, but still...Goku could've saved himself a lot of butt-ownage if he just went Super Saiyan.

Movie 6: DBZ movie storylines reusing a defeated villain - bleh. But the fighting in this movie is pretty good actually. And it has the "Goku-Vegeta-team-up", which kicks ass.

Movie 7: I disliked Android 14 and 15's deaths because it was plain weird. Fighting could be better. SSJ Goku and 13's fight was too short and was just "ki-blast, ki blast, then short fight struggle".

Movie 8: We have the Saiyan equivalent of the Hulk clotheslining the fuck out of Piccolo and the Saiyans for God knows how long, only to have some cheap, cheesy ending where Goku gathers energy from his half-dead companions for one final punch. And they are STILL all smiling at the end, despite the fact they're still boned with Cell waiting back home to screw them over. OK, so Broly owning the Z-Fighters was pretty cool.

Movie 9: It takes Kuririn, Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Trunks, Vegeta, Piccolo, Hercule and others to get screwed over before Gohan FINALLY transforms into Super Saiyan 2? Overall, fighting in this movie was disappointing.

Movie 10: Half the time Goten and Trunks were fighting Broly in normal form. Why didn't they go SSJ more? The fighting was lame and too short. There was more fighting and badassery in Movie 8 than in this film.

Movie 11: Never fully seen it, only bits from power level videos, but I hear it's pretty crap. And I'm gonna go with the majority, who say it's crap.

Movie 12: So, the storyline was good, I guess. Fighting was pretty good, could be better though. Gogeta appears for, what, like 2 minutes? Me sad.

Movie 13: What I can remember from this...gigantic dragon owning the fuck out of everyone for a while, even Mystic Gohan, who's SUPPOSED to be the strongest. Vegeta appears and gets his ass whooped like 2 minutes later. Gotenks is supremely owned too. Then Goku gets back into the fight, goes SSJ3 and then at the last moment, he pulls out of his ass the Dragon Fist. And strangely, SSJ3 Goku does better than BOTH Mystic Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks, despite the fact he's weaker than both of them.

So, yeah, the fights do begin to go downhill throughout the movies.

[shinaobi]

I honestly found Broly's uncontrollable love of clotheslining to be entertaining, I'm sorry.

And I can still be entertained by some of the initial Gohan v. SSJ Broly fights; those 15 or so seconds are heavy on technique and one could guess that Broly had picked up a martial art somewhere. Then Gohan backs up a little and SSJs up to even the playing field, whereupon Broly proceeds to go into spaz mode and the rest is fairly forgettable, except for a little gag where Krillin comes in dressed up like Piccolo long enough to get bashed up against a wall or something; then they rip off the ending to the Cell saga(seriously, compare them side by side; not accounting for differences in how long it takes each beam struggle to resolve, they progress and end in much the same manner).