Episode #0169 (22 March 2009)

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Episode #0169 (22 March 2009)

Post by VegettoEX » Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:25 pm

Episode #0169 (download MP3) (rss feed)
47:47; 64 kbps, mono; 21.8 MB

Episode #0169! VegettoEX, Meri, and Julian discuss what it means to be a "true fan" of the series. Is that even possible? What distinctions are made, and how do they even come to be? The expected "Kai" news tidbits, some licensing news from Europe and Asia, random video game news, the rest of March's releases, and your e-mails round out the episode. We also (briefly) discuss the new "Donate" page available to readers and listeners, and name our first memorial item. Referenced sites:
Go ahead and grab it. Big thanks to godofchaos for hosting the rather sweet *one-hundred-sixty-nine* episodes, now.

No random tech problems this week! The curse appears to be lifted.

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Re: Episode #0169 (22 March 2009)

Post by JulieYBM » Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:41 pm

VegettoEX wrote:No random tech problems this week! The curse appears to be lifted
Hmmm, I wonder why?

Change of topic?

Nah, couldn't be! :lol:
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Post by Chrono Trigger » Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:22 pm

This was a really good episode. Everybody had some really good points on a serious subject which basically boiled down to: Stop fucking Dragon Ball.
I really wanna give you guys props on this episode. Seems like everyone was "on point'' in this one. Especially Meri who seemed to be in a really good mood. It's good to see you guys bringing some energy back into the show.
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Post by snaku » Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:28 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote:Stop fucking Dragon Ball. :lol:
Yes, please Mike, it has to stop. :)

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Post by JAPPO » Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:31 pm

The "true fan" argument... ugh. If your a fan then your a fan, there is no such thing as a "true" fan.
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Post by Forgotten Hero » Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:56 pm

Get you true fans at http://www.trunksdepot.com/.

I just wanted to address Mike's blog too, in that I feel bad for misunderstanding it's purpose. So generally I feel we are all true fans because Dragonball becomes an important part of our lives.

Anyway, good podcast, and will be donating as soon as I can spare some cash (next month).

p.s. You spoke of April which is right around the corner. I can't wait to see what you guys are gonna do.
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Post by MarcFBR » Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:06 am

JAPPO wrote:The "true fan" argument... ugh. If your a fan then your a fan, there is no such thing as a "true" fan.
I disagree.

If someone never supports the show in any way and only watches the bootlegs or dvd rips, and has never done anything to actually support the show, THAT I would argue isn't a true fan.


Good luck on the contest people, think I came up with a fun topic and hope some of you will come up with fun answers.

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Post by Innagadadavida » Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:14 am

What is the source of the information that Dragon Ball games are the 12th best selling franchise? You don't have that listed in the links. Also, I can't seem to pinpoint a source mentioned within the episode.

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Post by Forgotten Hero » Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:19 am

godofchaos wrote: I disagree.

If someone never supports the show in any way and only watches the bootlegs or dvd rips, and has never done anything to actually support the show, THAT I would argue isn't a true fan.


Good luck on the contest people, think I came up with a fun topic and hope some of you will come up with fun answers.
I agreed! A true fan will at least buy some Dragonball stuff, even if they can't afford Dragonboxes and etc they are still fans of the show.
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Post by JAPPO » Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:21 am

I don't like that. A fan is someone who enjoys and respects the show, not someone who spends money on merchandise.
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Post by Innagadadavida » Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:31 am

Innagadadavida wrote:What is the source of the information that Dragon Ball games are the 12th best selling franchise? You don't have that listed in the links. Also, I can't seem to pinpoint a source mentioned within the episode.
In addition to this, can somebody inform me on which rumors Godofchaos reported on before that turned out to be true?

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Post by Forgotten Hero » Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:32 am

JAPPO wrote:I don't like that. A fan is someone who enjoys and respects the show, not someone who spends money on merchandise.
So you would call someone a fan if they steal? Stealing is disrespectful, and if you're stealing you don't respect the product. You don't have to spend thousands of dollars or anything, but buying the manga every once in a while isn't a bardan or anything. One could also buy the season box sets, though it has flaws, it's cheap.
You can be a fan and not buy all too much stuff, and a good example of that would be Saiyajedi or Julian. From what I have heard via the podcast is that he owns all the manga, but doesn't own the vast majority of the anime. I'd say Julian is a true fan, why else would he be doing the podcast. Even though he doesn't own some things; he still respects the series by doing the podcast and by not stealing the anime.
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Post by JAPPO » Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:46 am

I don't mean steal, but if you just watched it on TV or borrowed someone's DVD or something..?

You HAVE to buy something to be a fan?
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Post by Brakus » Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:54 am

'Tis true, you don't have to buy something to be a fan of Dragon Ball. However, I really like to have some nice tangible stuff to show off, or just to keep for myself, so that I acknowledge to myself (and no one else) that I'm a true fan.

Granted, you don't have to go all the way to Akihabara to get the latest DBZ stuff out there (like I did; I just got back today), but you should at least treat yourself to something tangible that makes you a fan of something, especially Dragon Ball/DBZ.

p.s. If it hasn't already been mentioned in a previous podcast (I still have lots to catch up on), I think you will like the DBKai open and close. The OP reminds me a little of Dan Dan, and the close is pretty fun too with a couple of Kamehameha mentions. :)
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Post by MarcFBR » Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:26 am

JAPPO wrote:I don't mean steal, but if you just watched it on TV or borrowed someone's DVD or something..?

You HAVE to buy something to be a fan?
Not at all, watching it on TV supports the show via the advertising.

I mean when the show is purely watched thru illicit means (I know someone who refused to watch it on TV because it was edited, but also refused to buy the DVDs because 'it costs to much' and he believed it didn't deserve his money).

My point being if you only watch a show via illicit means (and everyone has seen a fansub of something, that's not in and of itself a problem, it's if you support the show in some way AFTER you do) you are hurting the show, and creating issues (everyone who downloads isn't a thief either, and every download isn't always a lost sale, but when a show gets higher download numbers than it does DVD sales, and has tons of fans who apparently have no more love or respect for a show than to bootleg it and then claim themselves being a huge fan, it is upsetting) that can cause the lack of more of that franchise, especially when the product is of a good quality (and not every product is a good quality one, especially in regards to Dragonball Z in the USA), but you need to support the stuff you care about.

Best way to shorten that to an easy way for everyone to understand without reading my overly complicated explanation.

Without the continued sales of the games, manga, figures, DVDs, etc. we wouldn't be getting Evolution (for those who are looking forward to it), we wouldn't be getting Kai (for those who are looking forward to it), we wouldn't have gotten the special last year, more CDs, more figures, shirts, hats, keychains, and anything else that you can think of that you have sitting in your room and like, no matter the franchise those things appear because of sales and money made.

And a further gag is this. It's quite likely a lot of the stuff we are getting a lot of this modern stuff because of the Toonami airing of Dragonball Z (watching that lead to the Budokai games, which were also released in Japan, which helped remind and raise Dragonball Z back up a bit, and led to more stuff).

So I'm not against the TV watchers, or the DVD borrowers (although if you enjoyed it so much via borrowing a DVD, you'd think buying one disk wouldn't be out of the realm of realism). I'm against the people who scream about how great fans they are, when the entirety of support they give to a franchise is frankly, not anything beyond the loudness of the scream.
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Post by Forgotten Hero » Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:27 am

JAPPO wrote:I don't mean steal, but if you just watched it on TV or borrowed someone's DVD or something..?

You HAVE to buy something to be a fan?
No, you don't HAVE to buy stuff, but I can't imagine someone being a fan of whatever anime/show and not wanting to own or have something relative to that show. I just find it hard to believe a fan not wanting to buy something, however small or cheap.
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Post by nimerjm » Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:44 am

Hmm... this is the second time this week I've heard poverty used as an excuse. It didn't fly with me on GFAQs as an excuse for pirating PSP games, and it won't fly with me here.

If you enjoy something, you pay for it. Period. If you are a DB fan and don't own ANYTHING DB related, I'd say the argument that you aren't a fan is a pretty stong one. Granted, not everyone has disposable income (as a matter of fact, I'm rather new to the concept myself), but I still don't buy it.

For example: When I was in college, I did a TON of volunteer work at a public, yet "special" school, that was specifically geared towards dyslexic children, fifth grade and under, who lived at or below the "poverty line." One of the nicest, brightest kids I had the pleasure to work with was from a very destitute background, but he ABSOLUTELY TREASURED a DBZ pen/pencil/pencil box/folder - school stuff - set. I'd argue that the little guy, though he had almost nothing, was more of a fan than some snotty high school kid who is watching youtube and fansubs and claiming "poverty" as an excuse for not picking up a manga volume, DVD or action figure or two.

BTW... one of the very best DB-related moments of my entire fandom (going on about 13-15 years now) was when I brought the kid I mentioned above the Goku and Gohan action figures from that set from a few years ago where their shirts snapped on and off. I've yet to see anyone happier to get a gift than he was. If that isn't being a "true fan," than I just don't know what is.
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Post by Bussani » Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:46 am

nimerjm wrote:Hmm... this is the second time this week I've heard poverty used as an excuse. It didn't fly with me on GFAQs as an excuse for pirating PSP games, and it won't fly with me here.

If you enjoy something, you pay for it. Period. If you are a DB fan and don't own ANYTHING DB related, I'd say the argument that you aren't a fan is a pretty stong one. Granted, not everyone has disposable income (as a matter of fact, I'm rather new to the concept myself), but I still don't buy it.

For example: When I was in college, I did a TON of volunteer work at a public, yet "special" school, that was specifically geared towards dyslexic children, fifth grade and under, who lived at or below the "poverty line." One of the nicest, brightest kids I had the pleasure to work with was from a very destitute background, but he ABSOLUTELY TREASURED a DBZ pen/pencil/pencil box/folder - school stuff - set. I'd argue that the little guy, though he had almost nothing, was more of a fan than some snotty high school kid who is watching youtube and fansubs and claiming "poverty" as an excuse for not picking up a manga volume, DVD or action figure or two.

BTW... one of the very best DB-related moments of my entire fandom (going on about 13-15 years now) was when I brought the kid I mentioned above the Goku and Gohan action figures from that set from a few years ago where their shirts snapped on and off. I've yet to see anyone happier to get a gift than he was. If that isn't being a "true fan," than I just don't know what is.
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Post by laserkid » Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:15 am

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Post by VegettoEX » Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:45 am

Innagadadavida wrote:What is the source of the information that Dragon Ball games are the 12th best selling franchise? You don't have that listed in the links. Also, I can't seem to pinpoint a source mentioned within the episode.
Good point; we never mentioned it. godofchaos, could you dig up that document you had, or at least explain its origin?
Innagadadavida wrote:In addition to this, can somebody inform me on which rumors Godofchaos reported on before that turned out to be true?
He told us about FUNimation's DBGT "remastered" boxsets in December 2007 (along with their original release date) nearly a year before anything "official" came out about them. It also looks like the movies getting a Blu-ray treatment was confirmed by him at that time before we heard it elsewhere for realz. That's just the tip of the iceberg that I can do off the top of my head and can comment on :).
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