Kai Episode 1 (05 April 2009)

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 5:26 pm

Vekurotto wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote:
Gozar wrote: As hard as it is to believe...Funimation actually looks better.
About time somebody said it...
But it's pretty true. Kai was too damn bright sometimes.

Maybe people just need time to clear the initial "ZOMFG Toei remade DBZ" feelings to compare the two legitimately.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 5:27 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote:
Gozar wrote: As hard as it is to believe...Funimation actually looks better.
About time somebody said it...

That's arguable. First off, you're comparing FUNi's DVD release to Toei's TV broadcast release. There aren't any missing lines or washed out colors in Kai (like there were in the DBZ season sets), and a screenshot straight from a DVD will always look better than a screenshot from a ripped file from a TV broadcasted show.

If anything, compare these Kai screenshots to what FUNi had aired on Cartoon Network for an accurate comparison. I'm trying to remain unbiased here, and I will admit that each FUNimation screenshot in The Time Traveller's comparison looks better than it's respective Kai screenshot, but I wait for a Kai DVD release before I start comparing it to FUNi DVD releases.

Freeza Heika · Post by **Freeza Heika** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 5:27 pm

coinmanmat wrote:
Forgotten Hero wrote:
The Time Traveller wrote:http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h256/ ... rison1.jpg

Gonna make more comparisons down the line, plus the brightness looks messed up in a few of the snaps.
Both Funi and Kai look great, but like you said Kai is brighter. I don't like the brightness on Bardock's face, but the other three are great

By the way, are you guys watching Kai via Youtube. Just curious as to where you guys are going.
I agree, so ok Toei did crop the same way as FUNi but WHO CARES (well a lot of people do) but i don't I did notice that the colors in Kai were much more brighter and vibrant than in DBZ I liked that episode and I'm looking forward to next weeks episode

Whatever they did to it, it for some reason reminds me of the colors in Akira. Not the over-all color scheme but the the way that the individual colors look.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 5:34 pm

SSj_Rambo wrote:If anything, compare these Kai screenshots to what FUNi had aired on Cartoon Network for an accurate comparison.

That isn't accurate either, seeing as how Kai has been "remastered" and is available in HD while the original airings on Cartoon Network weren't remastered and were not available in HD. I've already seen the episode in HD and I wasn't impressed, so the quality isn't going to change much going to DVD. Comparing the Funimation Remastered sets and Kai is an accurate comparison and for me the advantage still goes to the Funimation sets.

I don't know how else to put it without coming off as offensive, but people are really just making excuses now because it was made by Toei.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:05 pm

I could argue that FUNi's colors make it sometimes impossible to distinguish dark blue from black and black from purple.

But it's rather pointless to compare a remastering job done to a copy that's not aged well to begin with, to footage that's been expanded, digitally retraced for some scenes and remastered once again from the original footage that was kept in well conditions.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:14 pm

SSj_Rambo wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote:
Gozar wrote: As hard as it is to believe...Funimation actually looks better.
About time somebody said it...
That's arguable. First off, you're comparing FUNi's DVD release to Toei's TV broadcast release. There aren't any missing lines or washed out colors in Kai (like there were in the DBZ season sets), and a screenshot straight from a DVD will always look better than a screenshot from a ripped file from a TV broadcasted show.

If anything, compare these Kai screenshots to what FUNi had aired on Cartoon Network for an accurate comparison. I'm trying to remain unbiased here, and I will admit that each FUNimation screenshot in The Time Traveller's comparison looks better than it's respective Kai screenshot, but I wait for a Kai DVD release before I start comparing it to FUNi DVD releases.

I'm not talking about quality. As far as video quality goes, obviously Kai is superior. I am talking colors and only colors.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:17 pm

The colors present here are the colors Kai is meant to be seen with. The DBOX footage for DBZ is how DBZ is meant to be seen. Kai may be based from DBZ's footage but it isn't suppose to play by DBZ's rules. That's why I can accept it.

Now, pacing-wise, after the third viewing the pacing actually begins to feel much better. Chiba's Raditz is still a little wonky I feel, but it's become easier to accept. Bulma on the other hand...just doesn't sit quite as well. Her lines about Yamcha had no punch whatsoever and that's a little dissapointing. I have a hard time beliving that was her only and best take.

Anyone know who the ADR director is?

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:22 pm

JulieYBM wrote:The colors present here are the colors Kai is meant to be seen with. The DBOX footage for DBZ is how DBZ is meant to be seen.

So you're saying you would watch something with inferior coloring simply because it was advertised as "the way DBZ was meant to be seen"?

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:23 pm

JulieYBM wrote:The colors present here are the colors Kai is meant to be seen with. The DBOX footage for DBZ is how DBZ is meant to be seen. Kai may be based from DBZ's footage but it isn't suppose to play by DBZ's rules. That's why I can accept it.

I realize that, but if you expect people to not compare the two then I'd say you won't be too happy. Because the fact is that it IS still DragonBall Z, and it needs to be compared. I find these colors to be a step down.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:24 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:The colors present here are the colors Kai is meant to be seen with. The DBOX footage for DBZ is how DBZ is meant to be seen.
So you're saying you would watch something with inferior coloring simply because it was advertised as "the way DBZ was meant to be seen"?

DBK is not the way DBZ was meant to be seen, it's the way DBK was meant to be seen.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:30 pm

Gozar wrote:I find these colors to be a step down.

A step down from what?, the god awful colours of the first season set?

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:31 pm

JulieYBM wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:The colors present here are the colors Kai is meant to be seen with. The DBOX footage for DBZ is how DBZ is meant to be seen.
So you're saying you would watch something with inferior coloring simply because it was advertised as "the way DBZ was meant to be seen"?
DBK is not the way DBZ was meant to be seen, it's the way DBK was meant to be seen.

You side stepped that question better than Rod Blagojevich...

coinmanmat · Post by **coinmanmat** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:34 pm

Captain Awesome wrote:
Gozar wrote:I find these colors to be a step down.
A step down from what?, the god awful colours of the first season set?

I agree the colors of the first season are indeed awefull people have to remember that even though this series has a diffrent name its still DRAGONBALL Z!, nothing about the plot, characters, etc has changed, personnaly I like to think of Kai as DBZ version 2.0

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:37 pm

Captain Awesome wrote:
Gozar wrote:I find these colors to be a step down.
A step down from what?, the god awful colours of the first season set?

I think he means a step down from the Dragon Box colors, the only other Japanese release. I have to agree with him, the Dragon Boxes use a much broader spectrum of colors.

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:38 pm

JulieYBM wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:The colors present here are the colors Kai is meant to be seen with. The DBOX footage for DBZ is how DBZ is meant to be seen.
So you're saying you would watch something with inferior coloring simply because it was advertised as "the way DBZ was meant to be seen"?
DBK is not the way DBZ was meant to be seen, it's the way DBK was meant to be seen.

If only Funimation had called it Dragon Ball Funimation Funtime, all their changes would be more than acceptable as it would be an all-new show.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:40 pm

SSj_Rambo wrote:
Captain Awesome wrote:
Gozar wrote:I find these colors to be a step down.
A step down from what?, the god awful colours of the first season set?
I think he means a step down from the Dragon Box colors, the only other Japanese release. I have to agree with him, the Dragon Boxes use a much broader spectrum of colors.

No... he didn't...

Gozar wrote: As hard as it is to believe...Funimation actually looks better. >.<

I really didn't enjoy the colors in the Episode...It just looked very washed out. Obviously not as bleached Season 2 FUNi colors. But...uhg...I just didn't enjoy the colors. To be blunt, I think FUNi's Season Sets Season 3 are on actually look better color wise.

On a side note, I thought this was hilarious.

Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote: So you're saying you would watch something with inferior coloring simply because it was advertised as "the way DBZ was meant to be seen"?
DBK is not the way DBZ was meant to be seen, it's the way DBK was meant to be seen.
If only Funimation had called it Dragon Ball Funimation Funtime, all their changes would be more than acceptable as it would be an all-new show.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:47 pm

Big whoop about the colors. There's a thread in General arguing that the highly-regarded DBoxes' colors are inaccurate. If the DBoxes are inaccurate then it seems as if nothing is accurate. So if nothing is accurate just watch whichever version you enjoy. I'll be enjoying Kai since it's closer to the manga.

EDIT: I've taken a look a the comparison screens and I have to say this:

- Bulma shot: I like Kai better
- Bardock shot: I like FUNi better
- Freeza shot: About the same to me
- Goku/Freeza shot: I like Kai better

nwoo_2002 · Post by **nwoo_2002** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:51 pm

dagame10k wrote:Based on the beautiful Intro, I think they made a terrible mistake deciding not to reanimate Kai from scratch. When you re-record the sound, and change the music, you may as well do the same for the Animation.

But besides my one complaint, I'll continue watching this as I like the idea of the removal of filler.

Same here. I loved the opening Kai episode and will continue to watch the rest of the series. For me though, after being built up by the great looking opening animation, I just felt let down watching the same footage slightly enhanced, even though I knew it was coming. Personally I think they should have just redone the series altogether.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:51 pm

Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote: So you're saying you would watch something with inferior coloring simply because it was advertised as "the way DBZ was meant to be seen"?
DBK is not the way DBZ was meant to be seen, it's the way DBK was meant to be seen.
If only Funimation had called it Dragon Ball Funimation Funtime, all their changes would be more than acceptable as it would be an all-new show.

Are you really to get like that over a cartoon? Really? If you don't like Kai, that's fine and dandy, go buy the DBOX singles. Toei has made their "This is how DBZ is meant to be seen" release, this is their "He's a new take, enjoy as you will" release. The colors appear to be consistent to their new color key (if you will) and in same cases (the dôgis) actually look closer to the color the dôgis are typically colored as (that being an orange color, rather than red).

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:55 pm

nwoo_2002 wrote:Same here. I loved the opening Kai episode and will continue to watch the rest of the series. For me though, after being built up by the great looking opening animation, ,I just felt let down watching the same footage slightly enhanced even though I knew it was coming. Personally I think they should have just redone the series altogether.

It didn't help that the first episode was one of those badly drawn ones too. Make me wonder if the art styles are gonna switch up during the episodes since their splicing stuff in and out.