Future of Trunks, New Namek

Tommy · Post by **Tommy** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 8:00 pm

In Trunks' future, was it ever addressed why they never went to New Namek to use those Dragonballs and wish back the Z fighters? One would think it'd be easier to build a spaceship to travel to Namek to do so rather than building a time machine.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 8:25 pm

It's probably a plothole. If they did that (and assuming everyone had trained like crazy while dead and were now strong enough to beat the jinzoningen), while it would take a while--the whole you-can-only-wish-one-person-back-at-a-time thing--then there would be no need for the Cell Arc at all, because there would be no time machine for Cell to hijack as he and the jinzoningen would've been disposed of in Trunks' timeline.

Tommy · Post by **Tommy** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 8:29 pm

Weren't they able to use the Namek Dragon to wish back a lot of people at once? For instance wish back everyone killed by the Androids.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 8:32 pm

They don't know where New Namek is.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 8:34 pm

Tommy wrote:Weren't they able to use the Namek Dragon to wish back a lot of people at once? For instance wish back everyone killed by the Androids.

Chances are that Bulma did not know the location of New Namek. Also there was the year time limit but then again Murri could have upgraded the Namek Dragonballs but then there was still of the problem of locating the new planet.

Tommy · Post by **Tommy** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 8:48 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote: Chances are that Bulma did not know the location of New Namek. Also there was the year time limit but then again Murri could have upgraded the Namek Dragonballs but then there was still of the problem of locating the new planet.

Seems like kind of weak reasoning. Goku knew where New Namek was, why wouldn't he have shared that info with someone like Bulma? And the Namekians lived on earth for long enough that I'd assume they'd want to keep in touch. Seems like a really big plot hole.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:09 pm

Tommy wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote: Chances are that Bulma did not know the location of New Namek. Also there was the year time limit but then again Murri could have upgraded the Namek Dragonballs but then there was still of the problem of locating the new planet.
Seems like kind of weak reasoning. Goku knew where New Namek was, why wouldn't he have shared that info with someone like Bulma? And the Namekians lived on earth for long enough that I'd assume they'd want to keep in touch. Seems like a really big plot hole.

Things played out differently in future Trunks world than the one we know of, everyone was dead except Son Gohan, Bulma and perhaps a few minor characters.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:17 pm

Generally when you have to ask the question "Why didn't they just..." The answer is "They didn't because it would ruin the plot". Why didn't Raditz just fly up? It would ruin the plot. If Piccolo and Kami knew how serious threat # 887 was then why didn't they fuse before hand? It would ruin the plot. Why didn't they just find Gero and kill his ass instead of waiting 3 years? It would ruin the plot.

Tommy · Post by **Tommy** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:23 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:
Things played out differently in future Trunks world than the one we know of, everyone was dead except Son Gohan, Bulma and perhaps a few minor characters.

I don't see how that would prevent anyone from knowing where New Namek was. It would be downright moronic for Goku to not make it known where New Namek was, because if there's a new planetary threat and something happens to him and Piccolo then everyone is fucked. And that's exactly what happened in the future timeline. I have a hard time believing Goku could be that ignorant. The only logical thing that makes sense would be that something happened on New Namek as well and those Dragonballs were lost too. If "Return of Cooler" was canon it could have been said that when Goku died of his heart disease Cooler easily wiped out New Namek.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:28 pm

Maybe Future Trunks timeline is just one of those hopeless eras. I agree that it seems hard to believe that Goku would die and just let the earth be swallowed into hell. You'd think he'd notice everyone was dead and King Kai and King Yemma would put some kind of plan into action.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:28 pm

Tommy wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:
Things played out differently in future Trunks world than the one we know of, everyone was dead except Son Gohan, Bulma and perhaps a few minor characters.
I don't see how that would prevent anyone from knowing where New Namek was. It would be downright moronic for Goku to not make it known where New Namek was, because if there's a new planetary threat and something happens to him and Piccolo then everyone is fucked. And that's exactly what happened in the future timeline. I have a hard time believing Goku could be that ignorant. The only logical thing that makes sense would be that something happened on New Namek as well and those Dragonballs were lost too. If "Return of Cooler" was canon it could have been said that when Goku died of his heart disease Cooler easily wiped out New Namek.

Well Kakarrot arrived a year later after that Freeza battle and as far as we know of he later died in battle against the Artificial Humans. He did not go and locate New Namek as he did in main continuity and there was no mention of the Namekians telling everyone their new address before they left earth.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:30 pm

Tommy wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote: Chances are that Bulma did not know the location of New Namek. Also there was the year time limit but then again Murri could have upgraded the Namek Dragonballs but then there was still of the problem of locating the new planet.
Seems like kind of weak reasoning. Goku knew where New Namek was, why wouldn't he have shared that info with someone like Bulma? And the Namekians lived on earth for long enough that I'd assume they'd want to keep in touch. Seems like a really big plot hole.

Goku didn't know where New Namek was. He needed Kaio's help just to teleport there the first time. And then he went and died, so they couldn't even go to Kaio's planet. It's not weak reasoning at all.

Edit: I don't think even the Namekians knew where New Namek was. They just wished to go to a planet like their old one, or something?

Edit 2:

Chrono Trigger wrote:Maybe Future Trunks timeline is just one of those hopeless eras. I agree that it seems hard to believe that Goku would die and just let the earth be swallowed into hell. You'd think he'd notice everyone was dead and King Kai and King Yemma would put some kind of plan into action.

The God's can't play favorites. Kami himself says that humans have to sort things out for themselves sometimes, even though he does occasionally help out. Kami died when the Androids killed Piccolo, so why should someone higher up step in? Humans themselves were the cause of the Androids, why should Gods clean up their mess?

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:42 pm

Bussani wrote:The God's can't play favorites. Kami himself says that humans have to sort things out for themselves sometimes, even though he does occasionally help out. Kami died when the Androids killed Piccolo, so why should someone higher up step in? Humans themselves were the cause of the Androids, why should Gods clean up their mess?

That's all true but it's not like King Kai or Yemma never helped Goku out before. Not only that but you'd think they'd wanna keep a guy like Son Goku around. He did defeat Freeza. A tyrant who had a heavy grip of control of the galaxy for many years....but I guess the gods just don't care. As long as they keep that shit on Earth then it's not their problem right? I bet if the Androids killed everyone on Earth and found a space ship then somebody would wanna find New Namek. Either way even if King Kai couldn't show favoritism to certain planets Goku wouldn't just give up. He'd find a way to stop 17 and 18.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:48 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote:...Either way even if King Kai couldn't show favoritism to certain planets Goku wouldn't just give up. He'd find a way to stop 17 and 18.

Not if they overwhelmed them from the start as Trunks story seemed to imply. I seriously doubt Kakarrot or Vegeta would run away from a good battle even of it meant their deaths.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:08 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote:That's all true but it's not like King Kai or Yemma never helped Goku out before. Not only that but you'd think they'd wanna keep a guy like Son Goku around. He did defeat Freeza. A tyrant who had a heavy grip of control of the galaxy for many years....but I guess the gods just don't care. As long as they keep that shit on Earth then it's not their problem right? I bet if the Androids killed everyone on Earth and found a space ship then somebody would wanna find New Namek. Either way even if King Kai couldn't show favoritism to certain planets Goku wouldn't just give up. He'd find a way to stop 17 and 18.

Sure, they helped him out within the rules. Actually, I can't think of a time Yemma actually helped Goku directly...he let him go to train with Kaio, that's about it. Goku got to keep his body that time because Kami, who had jurisdiction over him, said so. Kaio trained him and helped out now and then, like helping them find New Namek -- but what else could you do when this guy can literally pop into your back yard whenever he wants?

Basically, that's about it. The most they ever bent the rules was giving Vegeta his body back and giving him a day on Earth, even though he had been in Hell. And that was only because Buu was a huge deal, having killed the Kaioshin n all.

I guess he could have asked Kaio to let him ask the Namekians to wish him back to life, but maybe that was helping too much.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:16 pm

Bussani wrote:I guess he could have asked Kaio to let him ask the Namekians to wish him back to life, but maybe that was helping too much.

I guess you're right. Maybe Son did try and do something and the higher ups said no. Then again King Kai helped him find New Namek when they needed new Dragon Balls for earth. I just can't believe they'd say no to someone who stopped Freeza and probably saved billions of lives across the universe.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:43 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote:Then again King Kai helped him find New Namek when they needed new Dragon Balls for earth. I just can't believe they'd say no to someone who stopped Freeza and probably saved billions of lives across the universe.

Goku can't return to the living world.

Plus, New Namek is so far away that Goku couldn't teleport to it from Earth, when he could teleport into the afterlife from Earth. Even if they know where New Namek is, what good is that if it takes a hundred years to get there?

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:42 am

Allow Mr VegettoEX to end this disussion.

Ask Daizenshuu EX wrote:Q. In Future Trunks' timeline, with almost everyone dead and the Dragonballs gone, why didn't they just hop over to Namek and use their DBs to fix things up? Were the Nameks supposedly all on Earth when the Androids attacked? Or did Bulma forget how to make a faster-than-light spaceship? - Lee Laughead

A. That would defeat the purpose of telling the entire rest of the story ^_~ - VegettoEX

And so Mike says, as is Dragon Ball's wont.

Travis Touchdown · Post by **Travis Touchdown** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:55 am

I always read speculation sites that said New Namek was farther away from Earth than Old Namek. Old Namek needed an alien spaceship to reach it because Earth technology couldn't. Even Goku's spacecraft was based on Frieza Spacepod technology.

If you count GT, then you have to take into consideration that Earth was ravaged in Trunks' future, so further developments in technology were kind of put on hold since the Androids basically destroyed everything they came into contact with, where as the GT future, everything is peaceful and happy. I think Future Bulma said (could be wrong) that she could've finished the Time Machine sooner if her lab hadn't been destroyed.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:56 am

Rocketman wrote:They don't know where New Namek is.

Pretty much boils down to this.

Goku had to ask Kaio-sama where Namek was so he could get there with the Instantaneous Movement. The only space ships that the group had access to to reach those depths of space were the Saiyan pods and Kami's old ship (all of which are destroyed).

Since in Trunks' time, Goku teleported over to Freeza's location, it's assumed the ship Goku was on that he used to escape the old Namek was lost and or destroyed. So finding that one to enhance it would have been next to impossible.

So without any means of getting up there and no means of figuring out where it was, there was no way to get to the new Namek.

That and Goku was the one who came up with the idea. So that also went down the crapper.