Kai Episode 1 (05 April 2009)

EricM · Post by **EricM** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:02 pm

Uggg, picture quality is terrible. Insanely soft, almost blurry. Detail levels look pretty much identical the orange brick DVDs.

Also, where is the grain? Grain from 16mm film becomes very visible in HD. Lots of film shaking too.

DaemonCorps · Post by **DaemonCorps** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:27 pm

DBW wrote:Hey, I don't know if this has already come up or not, but after watching the first episode like 15 times I just noticed they changed Piccolo's blood (23rd Budokai scene). Originally he had red blood, but now it's purple... Alien blood!

Ooh, nice catch! I guess this means that it's even more likely for Vegeta's red hair and green themed armor to be corrected once they get to to his appearance.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:31 pm

EricM wrote:Uggg, picture quality is terrible. Insanely soft, almost blurry. Detail levels look pretty much identical the orange brick DVDs.

Also, where is the grain? Grain from 16mm film becomes very visible in HD. Lots of film shaking too.

I agree, but I actually prefer the orange bricks because it's brighter. I know technically it sucks and all but whatever. This just looks like grease smeared over it.

I dunno I think they should have re-animated the series if they were going to rename it...

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:33 pm

JAPPO wrote:I agree, but I actually prefer the orange bricks because it's brighter.

Season 1 is anything but bright, buddy.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:37 pm

Tsukento wrote:
JAPPO wrote:I agree, but I actually prefer the orange bricks because it's brighter.
Season 1 is anything but bright, buddy.

Really? Maybe I'm blind or it's my TV. It's bright for me

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:48 pm

EricM wrote:Uggg, picture quality is terrible. Insanely soft, almost blurry. Detail levels look pretty much identical the orange brick DVDs.

Also, where is the grain? Grain from 16mm film becomes very visible in HD. Lots of film shaking too.

I agree on the shaking, but I can't find a single version that completely eliminates it.

These are still better than the Bricks by a long shot so far, though.

SonGokuGT · Post by **SonGokuGT** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:23 pm

My thoughts:

-I love the new animation for the opening and ending.
-The songs are pretty catchy

-The image is very blurry.
-I hate the colors they seem overly vibrant and extremely subdued at the same time. [If that makes any sense]
-They made some weird cuts [Kame House conversation, anyone?]
-Bulma's performance is ABYSMAL.
-BGM was alright

So yeah... Overall, I'm pretty disappointed.

SSJ Helldog · Post by **SSJ Helldog** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:39 pm

Scarz wrote:
Bussani wrote:
Scarz wrote: Multiple appearances? Okay, like I mentioned before I haven't watched the first season of Dragonball Z in six or seven years. I only remember seeing Lunch once during the Buu Arc.
She was with Tenshinhan and Chiaotzu when they're first seen in Z. After Tenshinhan died she was seen getting drunk over it. There's also the Buu saga appearance. I forget if there are any more than that.
Thanks Bussani, to be honest I can't really remember those scenes. I'll keep an eye out for her in the up coming DB Kai episodes. Hopefully they didn't edit her out too.

When you say you haven't watched "season 1" in a few years, were you watching the Ocean episodes on Toonami? I believe they completely removed her from those episodes.

707 · Post by **707** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:24 pm

I feel the need to rise from my grave (wise fwom yo gwave) to offer my thoughts on this.

All in all, I thought it was neat. I really think that this "remastering" has just as many problems as the american widescreen DVDs, just not the same problems. But that doesn't really bother me. It didn't bother me with the cheap DVD sets, and it doesn't bother me with Kai.

The opening and ending animation is really nice. I've been quite a fan of the "modern" Toriyama style that's been used for these animated projects over the past few years. The ending song is terrible, in my opinion, and the opening is like a dirt-mall version of Head Cha La. But that's not really a big deal.

Goku's new voice acting was EXCELLENT.
Piccolo's, what little we heard, was very good too.

Everyone else was pretty all right, with the exception of Bulma. Ugh. What happened there?

Also, there was one scene where kuririn sounded pretty flat. Right before he gets punked in the face by Raditz.

I'm excited to hear the new Tenshinhan lines, to see how the voice sounds.

The edit itself was pretty nice. They left in too much of the Gohan filler, if you ask me. I would have tossed all of that in favor of more recap scenes, to be honest.

The video quality was pretty much to be expected. I watched it on my TV, and it wasn't as blurry looking. But still, there's only so much you can do with such an old show. Some scenes that have obviously been digitally recolored (young Goku swinging from the trees in the recap, for example) really stick out. I would have preferred the natural look of the film grain, and 20-year-old coloring, honestly, but for what it was it was good enough.

In the end, I think it's pretty neat that the show is getting put back out there for a new generation of kids. I think it really shows you how nearly flawless the original series was in its execution to have it repackaged and made-over, rather than remade and and recast. More than anything though, it made me want to rewatch the original episodes. But that's not such a bad thing.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:07 pm

707 wrote: The edit itself was pretty nice. They left in too much of the Gohan filler, if you ask me. I would have tossed all of that in favor of more recap scenes, to be honest.

Too much? They only left in one scene, which helped the plot. ?_?

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:26 pm

B-kun wrote:
707 wrote: The edit itself was pretty nice. They left in too much of the Gohan filler, if you ask me. I would have tossed all of that in favor of more recap scenes, to be honest.
Too much? They only left in one scene, which helped the plot. ?_?

The manga was fine without it. Kai would've been, too. I didn't mind it being there, though.

SSJ Helldog · Post by **SSJ Helldog** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:26 pm

I do like that they left in some of the filler that introduces Goku, Gohan, and Chi-Chi. It made sense to not have it in the manga since it transitions seamlessly from DB, but since DBK is its own series it helps to let us meet the characters at least briefly before they're thrust into danger.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:31 pm

SSJ Helldog wrote:I do like that they left in some of the filler that introduces Goku, Gohan, and Chi-Chi. It made sense to not have it in the manga since it transitions seamlessly from DB, but since DBK is its own series it helps to let us meet the characters at least briefly before they're thrust into danger.

True, but the same could've been done if it were cut in favor of more DB recap. Still, I don't mind either way.

SSJ Helldog · Post by **SSJ Helldog** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:42 pm

Kendamu wrote:
SSJ Helldog wrote:I do like that they left in some of the filler that introduces Goku, Gohan, and Chi-Chi. It made sense to not have it in the manga since it transitions seamlessly from DB, but since DBK is its own series it helps to let us meet the characters at least briefly before they're thrust into danger.
True, but the same could've been done if it were cut in favor of more DB recap. Still, I don't mind either way.

Very true. The DB recap seemed half-assed. But it's better than nothing. I was still able to get into DBZ with no reference to DB back in the Toonami days, but I wish they'd included more. With just another minute they could have told us who some of the characters were, or explained what a big deal Piccolo Sr. was.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:43 pm

JAPPO wrote:Really? Maybe I'm blind or it's my TV. It's bright for me

Nah, it's definitely not bright. It's hard to find detailed lines within purple and it's hard to distinguish dark blue with black.

Got some Season 1 and Kai comparisons, one that's relatively interesting to note!

Yes, that last shot shows Raditz has been REDRAWN for that portion. In fact, that whole scene was redrawn (as the scenery looks similar but is quite different and nicer looking). If memory serves me right, someone showed a screen shot of the blasting portion. That whole portion was entirely redrawn, as you could barely see what happened in the original (with Raditz covered in the blast).

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:47 pm

DBW wrote:Hey, I don't know if this has already come up or not, but after watching the first episode like 15 times I just noticed they changed Piccolo's blood (23rd Budokai scene). Originally he had red blood, but now it's purple... Alien blood!

More censorship... seriously, I think this is just a big joke on us Americans XD!

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:48 pm

Actually, it's because Pic's blood became purple in Z.

Though I did notice something interesting. One Piece's anime avoided showing a character giving the finger, whereas in the manga he flips the full bird. Toei handles the anime. Now if they're ditching the finger and Goku's baby penis, what does this have to say about the upcoming times where we see Vegeta or Reacoom giving the finger?

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:53 pm

The only time the cropping is noticeably different between the two, and the Kai shot is cutting off the top of Piccolo's turban.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:56 pm

Looking carefully at the last shot it seems that at least parts of the backdrop were redrawn, too.

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:30 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote:Just… ugh. I’m so sorry Daizex, I know you all love this series to death, but fuck this image. Fuck it right in the ass, and all others like it. You suck Luffy, and so does your anime (or the chunk of it that I forced myself to sit through at any rate), and I can’t even begin to express how utterly sick to death I am of seeing you’re stupid, spazoid, Smilex-grinning mug constantly being plastered all around shit I actually do like, like a fucking unwanted, unsolicited commercial that’s constantly cropping up everywhere to pimp “New and Improved Joker Products” to perfectly happy Brand X customers like me.

Just… go away already.

Me cries....

Carry on.