Is adult Goku's Japanese voice keeping dub fans away?

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:46 pm

Velasa wrote:
Dragonball will never be as 'hardcore' as FUNi and yourself seem to be wishing hon. I hope you enjoy your version but don't pretend that's the way it's meant to be seen.

That's a magnificent way to put it.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:47 pm

jjgp1112 wrote: ...And you guys try to say that Sub fans aren't over-protective of the Japanese version. This proves otherwise.

jjgp1112 wrote: Oh man, Saiyan Professor, you're about to be in the same role as a bus in Alabama during the Civil Right's Movement.

I think you're bating people. (And I think I'm stupid enough to respond.

)
The topic's a hypothetical, not "overprotecting" the original.
And as for Saiyan-Professor...
... Well, I disagree (a little too emotionally at times, for some reason...) with the vast majority of what he posts. Doesn't mean I'm going to turn into Rosa Parks, sit inside him and refuse to move, then organize a boycott to get him ignored.
Oh, wait. I can't read subtitles, so that wasn't for me. My bad.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:50 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:Oh man, Saiyan Professor, you're about to be in the same role as a bus in Alabama during the Civil Rights Movement.

I understand what occurred during that time in US history but how does that fit the situation?

Velasa wrote:I grew up on Alternative rock, and unless that definition has changed drastically it doesn't cover 'bands' like Disturbed. And god I use that term loosely because I had the misfortune to see them once when they opened for STP.

Dragonball will never be as 'hardcore' as FUNi and yourself seem to be wishing hon. I hope you enjoy your version but don't pretend that's the way it's meant to be seen.

I know that but that is what I prefer and Funimation’s take on the series is what made me a fan. To be honest if I saw the Japanese version first chances are good that I would not be a Dragonball fan. I have a very progressive worldview in general and for the most part, I embrace change for life is fluid and it is inevitable. By the way, I like Disturbed.

Velasa · Post by **Velasa** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:53 pm

As long as you know it's a different take we're cool then. And with Disturbed, I may never understand it, but you're perfectly welcomed to like them too.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:56 pm

Velasa wrote:As long as you know it's a different take we're cool then. And with Disturbed, I may never understand it, but you're perfectly welcomed to like them too.

I never said that it was meant to be a certain way because I know that it is a “little kids” cartoon. Yet, that does not matter to me because Funimation made a version that I can indeed enjoy.

Correction:

I had originally written: “I never said that, the others are okay but since Kakarrot is in everyone’s face all time, I have to hear that annoying voice coming out of his mouth.”

I forgot a word it should be: “I never said that, the others are “not” okay but since Kakarrot is in everyone’s face all time, I have to hear that annoying voice coming out of his mouth."

Dr. Casey · Post by **Dr. Casey** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 2:02 pm

The original version makes more sense. The edited version makes it read like...

Me: So all the Japanese voices except SSJ4 Goku annoy you?

You: I never said that. The others aren't okay.

It sounds like you're saying you never criticized the non-SSJ4 Goku voices... then went on to criticize the non-SSJ4 Goku voices three words later. Clarification?

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 2:10 pm

Dr. Casey wrote:The original version makes more sense. The edited version makes it read like...

Me: So all the Japanese voices except SSJ4 Goku annoy you?

You: I never said that. The others aren't okay.

It sounds like you're saying you never criticized the non-SSJ4 Goku voices... then went on to criticize the non-SSJ4 Goku voices three words later. Clarification?

I do not have a problem with the other voices in the series, it is just that woman’s/Kakarrot’s voice annoys me. I cannot determine whether the others did a good job or not because it is all Japanese to me but I know annoying and unfitting when I hear it and as far my comment on Vegeta’s voice it was a little strange but nothing to make a big deal about. I am used to him sounding a certain way.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 2:11 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:Oh man, Saiyan Professor, you're about to be in the same role as a bus in Alabama during the Civil Rights Movement.
I understand what occurred during that time in US history but how does that fit the situation?

You're gonna have rocks thrown at you.

And caejones, I'm not talking about the thread subject itself, but the posts in this thread.

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 2:20 pm

Dr. Casey · Post by **Dr. Casey** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 2:29 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote:Mr. Satan

I love Mr. Satan in the Japanese version. XD He's such a neanderthal sometimes, but his simplicity and clunkheadedness is endearing and even sweet in a way (The way he repeats his 'Tricku!" and 'Jokeu!" ad nauseum). He's cuter than a grizzly manly man has any right to be.

Also, Krillin's imitation of his voice towards the end of episode 212 ("Tricku da!") has to be one of the single best acted lines of the series.

Marty Kirra · Post by **Marty Kirra** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 2:32 pm

I grew up watching DBZ on American television, and these are the voices I've kind of grown to love. I had seen clips and bits and pieces of the original Japanese version, and yes, Goku's voice really did hit a nerve.

I've kind of grown up since then, and while I don't exactly enjoy his Japanese voice, it did come around first. I honestly can't imagine Goku being voiced by a Japanese guy, it just doesn't really click.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 2:33 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote:
Velasa wrote:Dragonball will never be as 'hardcore' as FUNi and yourself seem to be wishing hon.
I always tend to take exception with people describing the FUNi version as "making the show into something hardcore", because that implies that it's somehow successful in it's attempt. My beef with the FUNimation version isn't even that it's attempting to make the show "hardcore". It's that it does so and fails spectacularly at it.

It's "hardcore" only in the way that five year olds who watch copious amounts of WWE would perceive "hardcore" to be like. It's faux-kiddie-pseudo-poseur hardcore of the kind that makes the show flat out embarrassing and cringe inducing to watch, and THAT'S my real gripe with it. I don't mind change so long as it's change for the better or at least change that appeals to me, and FUNi's version certainly doesn't qualify IMO...

Yeah but it is all subjective, what you call “faux-kiddie-pseudo-poseur hardcore” and “embarrassing” I would in turn call genuine hardcore and enjoyable. When it comes to any art form, the viewer/reader/listener response criticism holds sway.

Velasa · Post by **Velasa** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 2:52 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote:(...) it would definitely also be a general "phobia" of subtitles. That's something that IMO tends to feed into it just as much, at least in my experience anyway.

I've noticed that o_O My little brother refused to watch things with subs for years. (I believe it was Laputa that broke him.... when the twelve year old boy sounded like a 40 year old woman he finally just said "... how about we try the Japanese version." It was hilarious.) I've run into it with so many other people as well- they just can't grasp the concept of reading something while there are images on the screen as well. As most of us know it's fairly easy to get into the rhythm, but Americans just seem stubborn like that.

Dr. Casey · Post by **Dr. Casey** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 2:58 pm

I can understand the apprehension with subtitles and the Japanese language because I used to feel that way. Back in the days where I posted at the Pojo Dragon Ball forums, I used to watch the English version on my DVDs even though I thought the Japanese version to be better, simply because the Japanese language gave me a headache at first. I also remember bitching a lot Christmas 2003 whenever I thought my DVD set of the first season of Slayers didn't include the dub track. But yeah, you should try to build up your tolerance to Japanese if it annoys you so much, Professor. Whether you ever switch over to the superior Japanese Dragon Ball or not, being put off by the language prevents you from ever having anything to do with any subtitled anime, and there's a lot of good series out there.

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:12 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:I do not have a problem with the other voices in the series, it is just that woman’s/Kakarrot’s voice annoys me.

Why do you always refer to Masako Nozawa as "that woman"? It kinda sounds sorta insulting.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:14 pm

The Tori-bot wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:I do not have a problem with the other voices in the series, it is just that woman’s/Kakarrot’s voice annoys me.
Why do you always refer to Masako Nozawa as "that woman"? It kinda sounds sorta insulting.

He probably just doesn't know her name or know how to spell it off the bat. I do that with a few dub VA's.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:24 pm

The Tori-bot wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:I do not have a problem with the other voices in the series, it is just that woman’s/Kakarrot’s voice annoys me.
Why do you always refer to Masako Nozawa as "that woman"? It kinda sounds sorta insulting.

Actually in some cultures “woman” is a compliment but here in the States for some reason many take it as an insult.

NeptuneKai wrote:…He probably just doesn't know her name or know how to spell it off the bat. I do that with a few dub VA's.

All of the above…

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:25 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:Actually in some cultures “woman” is a compliment but here in the States for some reason many take it as an insult.

I'm not in the States.

Dr. Casey · Post by **Dr. Casey** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:29 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:All of the above…

Just remember: Masako is similar to Masenko, Gohan's trademark attack from the early series.

I remember it by the name of Ryuunosuke's departed mother in Urusei Yatsura and her father's frequent cries of "Masakooooo!", but I dunno if you've watched that, so.

Scarz · Post by **Scarz** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:51 pm

I watched the Japanese Dub of DBZ long before I started to watch Funi's dub on Toonami and till this day I have a hard time accepting the Goku's voice for the Japanese dub.

Maybe it's just the way I grew up. Men should sound like men and Women should sound like women. I'm sure the Japanese voice actress for Goku is great talent. I just can't wrap head around the fact the Goku's looks like a "Manly Man" but sounds like a middle aged women.

But I'm not totally against the female voice actors playing male roles. Mayumi Tanaka voiced Luffy from One Piece and Krillin from DB and I love the voices!