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Post by Big Momma » Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:31 am

NeptuneKai wrote:
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Hey, it happens.
You are very nonchalant about this for making a living off of having to clean up after people in the movie theater. What if you were the dude who had to mop up this guys "lemonade? :lol:
Wait, he was saying he urinated in the theatre?!

Holy Crap! I'm not gonna lie, man, I honestly thought you were just talking about lemonade! (I was speed reading and didn't notice the quotes :p)

Man, it must have sucked to be those guys.


That's why you always go BEFORE the movie. :wink:
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Post by Rod » Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:32 am

Chrono Trigger wrote:So I just got back from the movies and it was pretty bad but it was all worth it because towards the end this guy totally snapped. Right after Goku defeats Piccolo he gets up and starts walking down the stairs and just starts going off. He was like "Man...This huff ass movie! This is bullshit! All y'all **** in here know this wasn't shit like the cartoon! I wanted to see some high flying kicks!" and he pretty much just went on like that as he walked out. Then this woman told him to shut up because her kids were in there. My friends and I were in tears laughing. Oh well. My show had a decent showing as far as audience goes so maybe it will make some kind of money by monday. lol
I wish that happened to me, it would have made the movie way better :D

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Post by Chrono Trigger » Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:32 am

B wrote:... Perhaps I will see the movie again, just for the off-chance I get this.
Yeah I didn't want to see it again but I thought I'd probably enjoy it more with a lot of people and on a higher quality screen. So I went anyway. A lot of the teens there were pissed and thought the whole thing was a joke but the kids all seemed to love it...but man towards the end of the movie when that guy started to snap. When Shenlong came out he was like "What!? That weak ass, tiny ass,Dragon!" I seriously SERIOUSLY recommend people go see this movie with a bunch of people. You'll walk out laughing.

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Post by Rod » Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:35 am

Big Momma wrote:
NeptuneKai wrote:
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Hey, it happens.
You are very nonchalant about this for making a living off of having to clean up after people in the movie theater. What if you were the dude who had to mop up this guys "lemonade? :lol:
Wait, he was saying he urinated in the theatre?!

Holy Crap! I'm not gonna lie, man, I honestly thought you were just talking about lemonade! (I was speed reading and didn't notice the quotes :p)

Man, it must have sucked to be those guys.


That's why you always go BEFORE the movie. :wink:
Oh dear God I thought he was talking about lemonade, that's just nasty

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Post by NeptuneKai » Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:39 am

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B wrote:... Perhaps I will see the movie again, just for the off-chance I get this.
Yeah I didn't want to see it again but I thought I'd probably enjoy it more with a lot of people and on a higher quality screen. So I went anyway. A lot of the teens there were pissed and thought the whole thing was a joke but the kids all seemed to love it...but man towards the end of the movie when that guy started to snap. When Shenlong came out he was like "What!? That weak ass, tiny ass,Dragon!" I seriously SERIOUSLY recommend people go see this movie with a bunch of people. You'll walk out laughing.
This is why I don't go to see movies often. The experience sucks. People dicking around with their cell phones, people pissing in bottles, chatter and crying babies etc. etc. There's no common respect anymore.
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Post by Saiyavenger2941 » Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:45 am

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B wrote:... Perhaps I will see the movie again, just for the off-chance I get this.
Yeah I didn't want to see it again but I thought I'd probably enjoy it more with a lot of people and on a higher quality screen. So I went anyway. A lot of the teens there were pissed and thought the whole thing was a joke but the kids all seemed to love it...but man towards the end of the movie when that guy started to snap. When Shenlong came out he was like "What!? That weak ass, tiny ass,Dragon!" I seriously SERIOUSLY recommend people go see this movie with a bunch of people. You'll walk out laughing.
This is why I don't go to see movies often. The experience sucks. People dicking around with their cell phones, people pissing in bottles, chatter and crying babies etc. etc. There's no common respect anymore.
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Post by Rod » Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:48 am

NeptuneKai wrote:This is why I don't go to see movies often. The experience sucks. People dicking around with their cell phones, people pissing in bottles, chatter and crying babies etc. etc. There's no common respect anymore.
When I read this I just lost it, the way you phrase it and the fact that I didn't know people did that was very funny, the worst that ever happened to me was a guy that wouldn't shut up...until someone kicked him in the back of the head

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Post by Chrono Trigger » Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:54 am

NeptuneKai wrote:This is why I don't go to see movies often. The experience sucks. People dicking around with their cell phones, people pissing in bottles, chatter and crying babies etc. etc. There's no common respect anymore.
You know what ordinarily I'd agree with you but considering the movie in question I just couldn't help but laugh. Hysterically. Also what made it even funnier was the fact that the audience was pretty normal for about 90% of the movie. It's just after Piccolo was defeated...That's when the guy just came out with the random outburst...and said probably what everyone was thinking...

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Post by testing223 » Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:55 am

Man, I really want to see the post-credits stuff, but I've already seen the flick twice and can't afford to blow more cash on it.

I need to find a youtube of the post-credits scene only. Could anyone help?

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Post by Velasa » Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:57 am

I left after the sad-puppy-Daimaou scene because that was more than enough. I don't remember anyone saying about further scenes after that in the credits.
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Post by DBZGokuSaiyan » Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:06 am

Big Momma wrote:
NeptuneKai wrote:
Big Momma wrote:
Hey, it happens.
You are very nonchalant about this for making a living off of having to clean up after people in the movie theater. What if you were the dude who had to mop up this guys "lemonade? :lol:
Wait, he was saying he urinated in the theatre?!

Holy Crap! I'm not gonna lie, man, I honestly thought you were just talking about lemonade! (I was speed reading and didn't notice the quotes :p)

Man, it must have sucked to be those guys.


That's why you always go BEFORE the movie. :wink:
I wish I would've. My friend came pretty late, though. He told me to take his soda cup after he was done drinking from it. I thought otherwise. I just sneaked all the way to the back of the auditorium where no one could see me, and um... did the dirty deed. :(
NeptuneKai wrote:This is why I don't go to see movies often. The experience sucks. People dicking around with their cell phones, people pissing in bottles, chatter and crying babies etc. etc. There's no common respect anymore.
Ha, it wasn't in a bottle. :P

Velasa wrote:I left after the sad-puppy-Daimaou scene because that was more than enough. I don't remember anyone saying about further scenes after that in the credits.
I lol'd so hard at that scene. :lol:
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Post by Coola Yagami » Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:09 am

Coola Yagami wrote:So... did Piccolo die and release an offspring?
Um...?

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Post by testing223 » Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:11 am

Velasa wrote:I left after the sad-puppy-Daimaou scene because that was more than enough. I don't remember anyone saying about further scenes after that in the credits.
That was the part I was referring to. :(

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Post by DBZGokuSaiyan » Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:12 am

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Coola Yagami wrote:So... did Piccolo die and release an offspring?
Um...?
I believe so. But then again, I'm not completely sure. It would make sense, though, seeing that it was a cliffhanger ending... which could possibly lead to a sequel, as hinted by James Marsters.
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Post by VenomSymbiote » Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:17 am

So, I guess this is the thread for DBE. I guess it's time for my review of Dragonball Evolution.

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I... liked it. I really liked it! As of this post, I really can't think of anything negative about it, other than, "Why wasn't it longer?. I will try to put in my love for it into words.

First, I really liked the storyline. It never left me confused, or left out, since the legend of Piccolo and the Dragonballs was repeated at least 3 times. I feel like it did what it was able to do in 1 and a half hours, and did it well. One of my few probelms with the movie was it's slight anti-climatic ending, but that was bearable. It wasn't huge, but it was noticeable.

Second, I really like the special effects and the choreography. The SFX were relatively nice-looking, and the choreography was pretty to see. I felt that the scenes were always making think, "What's happening next?". I think my favorite SFX is Piccolo's red Ki Blast, and my favorite choreographed scene was Goku's fight with Fuller.

Third. I really like the score. Seeing the tracks I really like from the soundtrack that was released earlier ("Chasing Dragonballs") really hightened my enjoyment of the movie. "Rule" was nice too, but I feel that as an international theme song for the movie, it was very-underutilized.

Fourth. I really like some of the elements that were used in the film. The humor was there, just enough that it was funny, but not so much that it messed with the story. It's hard for me to decide which piece of humor was my favorite, but then, I've seen the movie once. "Geeko" didn't bother me too much, but my sister did notice that, so I guess that's a little bit of context. One thing I did have a problem with was the whole "Fulum" thing. It's never really explained as to why/how Piccolo's blood creates the Fulums ("Fulums" as a name is never mentioned), and it really bothered me that we couldn't really see what they looked like. What I did see though, I liked. I also very much liked the design of the Dragonballs, especially the way the stars move within the ball, and are not stationary.

Fifth. The Characters.

Gohan was a little different than the Gohan we see in the Anime, but even then, we never see Grandpa Gohan train Goku in the way we see this Gohan train Goku. I feel that Randall Duk Kim played the part well though, and that if we saw Gohan train Goku, this was probably how he would be protrayed. I did like the whole cooking scene with him, and I could actaully hear shouts of "Ewww..." within the theater in response to seeing what he was cooking i.e. Chicken feet.

Justin Chatwin's perfomance of Goku was completly all right. I felt the there weren't too many OOC moments with him, other than him flirting with Chi-Chi, but even that felt like Goku to me. He defintly made the role his own, and I can very much feel that Justin Chatwin's Goku is Goku too me. Justin's Goku was different, but I feel like it needed to be different, and it was a good different.

Bulma was very hot and sexy. Emmy Rossum played the part extremly well, and I loved the whole idea of her with guns. I actually like Rossum's Bulma a bit more than her actual anime/manga counterpart, but I do think there should have been a point in which she totally became angry at someone/thing.

Mai was... also hot and sexy. Not much to say about her though. I like her outfit, I think her voice is cool, but I feel there should have been a backstory created for her. She does, however, hold the distiction of being the only one to call Goku "Son Goku." Eriko Tamura played her part well.

Master Roshi felt very much like Master Roshi to me. His pervetedness, while little, felt like enough to me. Chow Yun-Fat felt very much content in his role, and you can feel that in his performance. Roshi is very much enjoyable. His 2 grabs for Bulma and his issue of BQ were very much in character, and were very much wanted. Not much to say about one who's role was almost perfect.

Yamcha was also in character, although I felt Joon Park performance was a bit too greedy, even for Yamcha. Had he toned that down, I think he would've nailed it perfectly. I did like the relationship betweem him and Bulma. I wonder what will happen if Vegeta ever shows up.

Piccolo... needed more lines and backstory. Other than that, James Marsters played Piccolo like the Piccolo I knew. Although, I wish there was a moment for him to have displayed his smartness like he does many times in the anime/manga.

Chi-Chi was played well by Jamie Chung. She felt very much in character, other than her anger moments in the series, although there wern't many chances for that to occur in the film.

And finally, the one that most people didn't like. GokuxChi-Chi.
It didn't bother me in the least. Chichi fell completly in love with Goku just like in the series. Nothing felt out of place, and it felt totally natural to me.

And that's my ridiculosy long review of DBE. I really enjoyed it, I hope everyone else does too, and I hope they make sequels.
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Post by Bussani » Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:35 am

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I saw it 2 days ago when it came out here, and it seems I have the total opposite opinion of Venom. Well, not the total opposite since he loved it and I don't hate it, but I can come up with more flaws than I can positives.

The acting was horrible in my opinion. I don't care that movie Goku was nothing like manga Goku, but...can I really call what he was doing 'acting'? Reading lines doesn't make you an actor. It just felt flat and unreal somehow. Bulma was just as bad. Yamcha was the worst of all. Roshi was tolerable. Just...none of them seemed to have well defined personalities. They were just there and mainly interchangeable, like, "Who should we have say this line? Ah who cares, it's all the same anyway."

The special effects? I liked the way ki looked... But those minion things Piccolo sent after them. Those were some of the worst special effects I've seen on the big screen in ages. It was like they were right out of something like Mortal Kombat Annihilation.

The fight scenes? I found them dull. The fight between Goku and Gohan at the start felt unreal and cartoony -- more cartoony than the anime, even! I didn't think it was well choreographed at all. Maybe they were going for old-kung-fu-movie styles, but it didn't even feel that good to me. The final fight, of course, was...not really much of a fight either and just ended for the sake of it. Also, I had a hard time of even keeping track of what was happening in most of the fights. The camera didn't seem to know what to point at.

All of this isn't to say that I didn't enjoy seeing it. I dragged a friend along and we had a great time. We found the whole experience hilarious, which is all I ever hoped for really.

My favorite part is how quickly this plot happens.

Goku: "No, no! I must stop the Oozaru!"
Piccolo: "No Goku; you are the Oozaru."

And then Goku was Oozaru.

PS: Reused transform backwards! If you watch closely, this film has quite a few moments of 'reused animation'.

The best part was easily the end credits. Uh, not because I was happy it was over, but because of Rule. That song really grows on you.

Let's see. I didn't really mind the school scenes. I felt like the film trotted along fine at first. To me, it kind of started falling apart when they met Yamcha.

By the way, what was Piccolo planning to wish for? Who was Mai? Is Goku the same Saiyajin that Piccolo had with him before, or did he order a new one 18 years ago? This movie needed more plot.

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Post by Mr. Announcer » Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:39 am

So I actually saw the thing. Went with my sisters to see if I could get some lulz out of it, but unfortunately there were none to be had.

This was just a straight up terrible movie. Ignoring the fact that it had anything to do with Dragonball, which is really rather easy, it's still a poor, poor excuse for a film. There were a couple points where I just wanted to walk right out.

My mind is blown as to how any of these actors got away with such horrendous line delivery. I mean, I'm sure it had something to do with the impossibility of taking anything in that crappy script seriously, but really? Chatwin was definitely the ultimate offender with his extremely stiff, awkward speech. The only time I could see any Gokuh in him at all was when he was just sitting there eating meat, not saying anything.

My favorite ended up being Park, as Yamucha, because he was the only one being openly and intentionally ridiculous enough to suit the tone.

The "plot" was never developed to the point of being understandable and the special effects were... not at all special.

There's a million things more that were wrong with this movie but they've probably already been covered (unlike Chung's cleavage, ha) and honestly just thinking about it is giving me a headache.

My little sister who had been enthusiastic about going to laugh and at least have fun left very disappointed and my older sister actually said it was worse than she had expected it to be. One guy even took a call on his cell in the theater for a couple minutes and nobody even bothered to complain.

So there, I watched it. Now I get to say that it was in fact every bit as bad as I had thought it would be. I wasn't even looking for flaws, they just ran up and punched me in the face every few seconds so they were a little hard to ignore. I just wanna forget about this as soon as possible and get back to the stuff that's awesome about Dragonball.
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Post by Bussani » Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:44 am

Now that Announcer mentions it, we were practically all talking through it and mocking it, and no one complained. In fact, they were doing the same. The only difference is that, unlike Announcer, we had fun...maybe we're just easily amused.

We went to the first showing on opening day, and it was relegated to the smallest cinema in the place. And probably with good reason, since other than me and my friend there were only about 4 other people watching it. Har.

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Post by Velasa » Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:00 am

.... Ok. I can just accept most of what you’ve got noted as opinions Venom, but I have to prod you on a few points hon.

Son’s entire character in the movie revolved around "why can’t I be nooooormal” and "Chichi is so preeeety”, and not giving a shit about A- Food or B- Fighting which are his entire personal motivation for the majority of his life. Occasionally he does things for his friends. But he mostly likes to eat and fight. The cooking scene was ridiculous because Son would shovel absolutely anything in his mouth and making it chicken feet was a poor copout for ignoring Son’s intense love of food so he could run off to a sexy party. He was violently out of character, constantly worried and griping about small things and never really getting into what he was doing until the extremely awkward transition at the end of the film where he decided “WE MUST KUNG FU FIGHT!” and then abruptly goes Oozaru. Then we get possibly a minute and a half of fighting, and then it’s over. It hurt to watch him be about as OOC as any of the traditional ”high school fanfics” everyone has learned to loathe on every fandom that isn’t directly set in a high school.

Yamcha felt like a bad stereotype of his persona in the FUNi dub, which has very little to do with the character of Yamcha. He showed up, he laughed and asked for money, he asked for more money, he got a volcano vent up his pants, he had an awkward “if the world is ending should we make out?” scene. The only part that actually felt like him was the scene where he chucks Bulma the dragonball and tells her almost casually that he’ll handle it. Otherwise he was shallow as hell. I love Yamcha- he’s my third favorite character from the series and seeing him be brought into the movie just to be cast aside like that was terrible.

The... seven minutes Daimaou was onscreen he was fine? But fine is a relative term when they don’t even try to explain how the hell he gets out or his motivations or where he came from or..... all we know is he’s a warlord who apparently only had one soldier, except that random unnamed woman who shows up following him for no reason, and he’s shown in a scene making some fulum who dies in the same amount of time the entire making-the-fulums segment took. We see severity in Daimaou but we see none of his internal World of Crazy (have I mentioned he’s off his goddamn rocker once you peel back the serious layer) and none of what begins to make the man think, or dream, or hate, or what he delights in. They strip him down to severity and tack on the most bullshit that castrates him beyond recognition. That was not a good translation. And we won’t even get a Ma Juniaa to start over with a clean slate, unless he dies in that fuzzy little bed and the village woman is left with a small green baby to take care of.

Son Goku did not fall in love with Chichi in the series at all like in the movie. This is how it went in the manga-

Boy meets girl
Boy gets pushed off Kintoun by girl
Boy thinks marriage is food and says ‘um, sure!’ to girl
Boy meets girl again years later, having completely forgotten who the hell girl is
Boy fights girl
Girl bitches boy into sticking to marriage promise and leaves with girl
Years later there’s suddenly a kid but boy is endlessly absentminded and never even so much as kisses the woman or smiles at her lovingly once. Girl grows slowly embittered into psychotic woman aged ten years by stress and constant “I’ma gonna go run off byebye” or “woops I’m dead. I think I’ll do this cool training instead of coming home.” who wields her iron fist over the one family member she can temporarily control, Gohan, and cows him into a nervous socially uncomfortable little boy for the rest of his life.

So is he fond of her? Yes, like any of his friends. The difference is they live in the same house and we don’t have any evidence of him occasionally having sex with his other friends. There’s certainly nothing that even begins to resemble how they act in the movie. The only bit that felt at all in character was the stumbling over the silly names at first.
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Post by Zuhalter2000 » Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:09 am

I just saw the movie and here is the review I posted on IMDb:

As a HUGE Dragonball fan, I was psyched to the announcement of a live action movie a few months back; but as more information was revealed I started to lose faith. A few days prior to seeing the movie, I had lost all hope of it being remotely good. A 3/10 on IMDB spells disaster. After seeing the movie I can say that I am pleasantly surprised. Although the story was Americanized and modernized to hell and back, it did have its moments of faithfulness to the original manga/anime, specifically with the characters. Goku was very different from the anime, but it was good in its own way. Chatwin did a good job with what he had to work with. I was especially happy with Chow Yun-Fat as Roshi. I was skeptical of his placement in the movie until I saw it myself. I did a fantastic job of bringing the Master Roshi we know to life on the big screen. Lets not forget Yamcha either; he too was able to very faithfully recreate the original character. I was not big on Rossum Bulma but she did do a decent job. Marsters was a good Piccolo but he didn’t get as much screen time as I had hope for. As far as anime faithfulness goes, there were several other things throw in that surprised me as far as getting them right but I won’t go into detail, I don’t want to spoil anything for anyone. Overall, Dragonball Evolution is a decent modern martial arts film with some neat special effects, cool action scenes, but not a faithful adaptation to the series we all know and love. My final verdict is a 6/10 but I could be swayed to a 7/10. Don’t let its inaccuracies prevent you from experiencing a new twist on the same old (amazing) story, its still worth your time if you enjoy a good old action movie.



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