Kaioken?....

Cloud_Graywords · Post by **Cloud_Graywords** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:03 am

i have a question.... a weird one...uhmmm how i can Explain this....
ok....i always Though Kaio Ken... It the "power up" of gokou before become a SSJ but i always hear about the kaitoken when the chars use that Skill For Blind the enemy like make Sun light.... (they put they fingers on their faces and make a very big light)...
someone know something about it? or I'm just confuse?....
IN FACT! i played DB: Adventure Advance and Krillin use that Skill....
KAIO KEN!!! O_O i really dont get it....

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:07 am

The skill you're reffering to is Tenshinhan's Taiyo-Ken, literally "Fist of the Sun". They do sound similiar, it's understandable that you could misinterpret it.

Post by **SaiyaJedi** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:08 am

"Taiyou-ken" ("Fist of the Sun") is one of Tenshinhan's special moves (later used by Goku, Kuririn, and even Cell). It works by blinding anyone who didn't have their eyes closed/wasn't wearing sunglasses, so the user can get the jump on their opponent, or just run away.

"Kaiou-ken" ("Fist of Kaiou") on the other hand, is the strength/speed-multplying technique that Goku learned from Kaiou-sama, and used against Vegeta and Freeza.

Hopefully that's a little clearer.

Endishiki · Post by **Endishiki** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:10 am

Taiyo-ken is actually used quite a bit, from what I've seen... it must be a rather easy ability to use (we even see Bebi use a modified version in DBGT).

As for Kaio-ken... it's not really ever used after the Freeza battle, is it? I do know that Goku uses it still in Movies 5 and 6, but that's about the end of it. Sort of a shame, as I always thought flaring red Goku looked neater than Golden Warrior Goku.

Cloud_Graywords · Post by **Cloud_Graywords** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:20 am

THanx i get it now.... sure sound similar so i get Wrong....
by the way....
Why Goku is not able to use kaio ken in SSJ form? he can do a Kaio Ken X 100 or something since his body can resist even more power.....

Post by **VegettoEX** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:30 am

Kaio-Ken doesn't simply add to your power... it strains your body in the process. Goku was able to control straining his REGULAR body, but to strain his body while in SSJ? Probably too much.

The only time a "Super Kaio-Ken" is used (being Kaio-Ken while in SSJ) is while he's dead in the Afterlife Tournament. In fact, that's probably the reason we only see it used (despite it being filler) while SSJ... he's got no living body to worry about straining.

Not to mention various SSJ levels later making Kaio-Ken irrelevant

. I agree on the red-hue, though... it looks pretty badass.

Endishiki · Post by **Endishiki** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:30 am

Kaio-ken is said to be a terrible strain on the body. SSj already brings the body up past the power that a Kaio-ken could generate with much less strain. If you were to combine the two, I can imagine it horribly wrecking the body.

Edit: Damn it, he got to it before I did. Ah well, at least I was still right.

(We're going to ignore the Heaven's Tournament filler... Super Kaio-Ken? Psh.

)

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:56 am

I thought the Super Kaioken scene was badass.

Goku's all like "SUPER KAIOKEN!"

Pikkon: O_O WTF?!

Goku: *bashes Pikkon into a moon*

Made the whole Afterlife Tournament Saga worthwhile.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:09 am

That Afterlife Budoukai was the best piece of filler ever. Goku's like "OMFG I GOT T3H SUUPAA KAIOU-KEN!!!!"
And he was all badass.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:23 am

I think that Toriyama had Yamcha and Tien learn Kaio-ken. It would have gave them a little more edge during the later battles, rather than having them go wussy like Yamcha did.

El_Diablo · Post by **El_Diablo** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:21 pm

How is "Kaiou Ken" pronounced in FUNimation's dub in the Afterlife Tournament?

Ocean pronounced it correctly, not like the "Kayoken" of earlier in the series

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 3:25 pm

El_Diablo wrote:How is "Kaiou Ken" pronounced in FUNimation's dub in the Afterlife Tournament?

Ocean pronounced it correctly, not like the "Kayoken" of earlier in the series

"Kayoken," as it is in the new Budokai game as well >_<;

Also, I always thought Yamcha and Ten should have learned the Kaioken as well, perhaps perfecting it beyond the point Goku had...of course, that would mean they'd actually be in the story, and they're not Saiyajin, so...

-Corey

Post by **VegettoEX** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 4:11 pm

They've already got the character named "King Kai," and they're saying the "Kai" correctly. Why is it so god damn difficult?

Why it was never said properly outside of DBZ movies 2+3 (where they got everything pronounced right), I'll never know.

El_Diablo · Post by **El_Diablo** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 4:29 pm

Consistency probably.

Didn't Pioneer have a bigger hand in the production of Movies 1, 2 and 3? Aren't they known to be more faithful to the original versions of the anime they dub?

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 4:33 pm

VegettoEX wrote:They've already got the character named "King Kai," and they're saying the "Kai" correctly. Why is it so god damn difficult?

Why it was never said properly outside of DBZ movies 2+3 (where they got everything pronounced right), I'll never know.

I don't know Vayghetto-X, I don't know...

Seriously, it's enough to drive a person insane. That along with the random correct attack names mixed in with the dub names (is it that hard to pick one or another?)...

-Corey

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 8:03 pm

They totally ignor the fact that it has any relation to Kaiou-Sama in the dub...

Kanzenshuu

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