Kai Episode 3 (19 April 2009)

DemonRin · Post by **DemonRin** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:54 am

I didn't mean to be condescending, I'm sorry.

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:00 pm

DemonRin wrote:
Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:It seems obvious to me that they mean the general subject of violence censorship. Considering ALL the blood and all pooled blood was erased, after all.
Was that cranberry Juice coming out of Raditz' Mouth?!...

I suppose I meant from the wounds in their chests. Considering how much blood is on Raditz now as opposed to before, I think that's a minor nitpick and ignores the point I was making.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:17 pm

Downloading now. Ha, it looks like Goku has a circle of ash on his chest as opposed to a mortal wound in those screenshots

-Corey

DaemonCorps · Post by **DaemonCorps** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:28 pm

DemonRin wrote:And anyone complaining about Nappa's colors... that's just ridiculous. Nappa's colors are correct, they're just a darker shade of his normal ones.

Um...

I can see how shading can change Nappa's dark blue to black, but there is no way his armor's yellow parts would be brown while at the same time Vegeta's are yellow. Just saying.

As for the whole censorship issue, I guess I can live with it if the actual DVD releases are Uncut as you suggested. As it is now, though, it just seems so awkward. And like someone else mentioned, it's not like the series is gonna get any less violent.

Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece · Post by **Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 2:00 pm

If you look at when Krillin is holding Goku's hand, there's one cut where Goku has no shadow, then another, some odd 30 seconds later, where he does.

I'm greatful for the remastering, but some of it seems a tad sloppy...

Also, I love how being shot through the chest with a laser that can destroy mountains results in a heavy bruise. That'll come in handy when we have people getting their arms ripped off.

Senzu_Bean · Post by **Senzu_Bean** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 2:32 pm

I liked pretty much this episode's speed, it actually did not felt rushed at all. For the first time I could watch a fight sequence in the main series without thinking for myself "Jesus, why this never ends?". Until now I only had this feeling watching the movies... except Movie 8.

Plus I am starting to sympathize with Goku's voice more and more as I am watching DB Kai.

ShinRogafuken · Post by **ShinRogafuken** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 2:37 pm

The only thing I really hated with this episode was when the completely redrew some footage and it looked like a non cel-shaded Budokai story mode cutscene that was AWFULLY DRAWN.

1- Raditz does his flying back-kick on Goku and Piccolo
2- Raditz prepares to blast Gohan on the ground

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:07 pm

XanatosVanBadass wrote:I think someone mentioned this before, but I think I should just throw in my thoughts on it anyway and reiterate that these edits may simply be for the TV airings. Hasn't it occured to anyone that the blood MAY still be intact for the DVD/Blueray releases? Its not uncommon for blood/nudity to be cut out of the TV airing, but be intact when released on DVD for anime, you know. Perhaps we're all jumping the gun and screaming bloody murder at Toei preemtively? Calling people hypocrates and all.

God, I hope your theory is right. If it is not, I will not buy any Dragonball Kai products.

Mewzard · Post by **Mewzard** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:11 pm

Dogasu wrote:
DemonRin wrote:Nope, argument doesn't work at all.
FUNi doesn't make buckets of money from TV airings, it's all the DVDs. Why do you think FUNi stopped selling "Edited" DVDs of pretty much EVERY show they sell? Because Edited DVDs DONT SELL!!
Dude, chill out. I have no idea why you seem to feel the need to be so condescending to me.

And I never mentioned anything about edited DVDs. What I was saying was that the people who are making these edits might be doing so to make the show more appealing to FUNimation - for a TV airing. Because, let's face it - if Toei gave the rights to dub this series to FUNi, they wouldn't be happy with a DVD-only release. They'd want a TV airing to maximize the audience reached. Hence the preemptive editing.

I reiterate that I neither agree nor disagree with the "these content edits are to make the show more appealing to FUNimation" theory. I'm simply stating why I think it makes sense.

Funimation's not airing anime on tv at this point, outside of their own channel to my knowledge, besides Shin Chan, and not only is it uncensored, they made it much more adult than the original, and put it on Adult Swim. Funimation doesn't seem to want edited anything anymore. If they did want to put it on TV, it would be easy to do on Adult Swim, uncut.

Bejiita · Post by **Bejiita** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:22 pm

DaemonCorps wrote:
DemonRin wrote:And anyone complaining about Nappa's colors... that's just ridiculous. Nappa's colors are correct, they're just a darker shade of his normal ones.
Um...

I can see how shading can change Nappa's dark blue to black, but there is no way his armor's yellow parts would be brown while at the same time Vegeta's are yellow. Just saying.

As for the whole censorship issue, I guess I can live with it if the actual DVD releases are Uncut as you suggested. As it is now, though, it just seems so awkward. And like someone else mentioned, it's not like the series is gonna get any less violent.

Actually, the only parts of the yellow plates that appear brown are the parts in the shade, notice the very left side of the picture on Nappa's armor, it has light shining on it, and why it's exactly the same colour as the majority of Vegeta's, as he has more light on him. Look at Vegeta's left arm (well technically his right arm), the part of yellow armor is also a brownish colour as it's the part in the shade, which is the same for Nappa's arm. I don't think the colours are bad overall, they are better as they are less vibrant and easier on the eyes, plus match the water coloured manga style.

As for censoring, I gathered that some blood would be edited, mainly because they covered Goku's privates in the first episode, it lead me to beleive we'd get some blood edits. I haven't even seen the episode et, I will later or tomorrow, I'm curious to see how certain scenes are handled regarding the bgm, and the pace of important scenes.

ShinRogafuken · Post by **ShinRogafuken** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:25 pm

Am I the only one who noticed the Budokai story mode non-cel shaded like frames?

Brad Redfield · Post by **Brad Redfield** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:48 pm

No, I noticed them right away as well. They stick out like a sore thumb.

I also noticed they redid some of the ki blasts but didn't redo Raditz's when he did his downward blast against Goku and Piccolo.

Horgus · Post by **Horgus** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 6:44 pm

I actually really liked #3. While I think the first two episodes have been basically mediocre, I really enjoyed this one.

The whole episode was tight and crisp, no annoying but memorable cutaways like in the original. I also feel that the Seiyuu have really warmed up and gotten into their roles, as I found Raditz to sound much less 'rusty'.

While I did notice that there were some pretty significant edits with regards to the violence, these are minor and pretty understandable. Blood and gaping flesh wounds are cool to look at, but really aren't very important.

The music was by far the most noticeable improvement in this episode. For one thing: there was none of that droning 'playful' theme in the first episode, which I detest. Additionally, I really enjoyed the introduction of that 'ponderous' theme that played during Goku's seizure of Raditz's tail. The theme that is played during Goku's death scene is very impressive, even causing me to choke up a bit. If this is a symbol of what is to come with DBKai, I am eagerly anticipating more.

Finally, I noticed that they changed Nappa's seiyuu. While I do not know the name of the previous guy, the new actor cannot possibly replicate Nappa's crude, simple minded rage. However, I am interested in seeing what this new guy can do.

Overall, a strong episode.

BrollysKin · Post by **BrollysKin** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:13 pm

To be fair, i wouldn't think a ki blast would cause a lot of flowing blood. I would imagine it would cauterize the wound similar to a lightsaber. But the whole ashy chest thing is certainly not the way to do it.

Mewzard · Post by **Mewzard** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:37 pm

Not needed? Maybe, but censorship is censorship. Just because it's Toei doesn't mean they should get off scott free with what is a messed up decision. I'll keep this view until I learn that Toei is releasing uncut dvds, then things will be forgiven.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:40 pm

I'm extremely dissapointed that there was no kick-ass music playing when Gohan first burst out of Raditz's space pod.

obiwan23s · Post by **obiwan23s** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:01 pm

I'm sure Dragonball home video products make over nine thousand times more money in Japan than they do in the United States and everywhere else FUNimation sells their DVDs. Hence saying Kai is edited to make it easier for FUNi kind of doesn't make sense.

kenisu3000 · Post by **kenisu3000** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:01 pm

SSj_Rambo wrote:I'm extremely dissapointed that there was no kick-ass music playing when Gohan first burst out of Raditz's space pod.

In the original, they played "Gohan Wants His Hat Back!", which was even sillier and out-of-place than this new piece (which happens to be the full version of the intro jingle!). So I have no qualms with it. Also, I have to concede - the music when Goku dies is amazing, in both versions.

EDIT (LITERALLY): Though the censoring is awfully messed up. Purple Piccolo blood? Raditz retches twice, but doesn't cough up a bloody thing? (Sorry, lame joke.) It's been said before, but this is Saban-style censoring!

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:26 pm

I really feel like the new colors for Vegeta's armor were made way to bright. The contrast of them really stands out in that scene, and even in the frames it is in. Here's a shot of Vegeta's armor and then the very next frame (you can clearly see the difference in color brightness):

There were only two instances of over-shaded eyes that I noticed:

And this was one of the only frames with noticable dust/scratches/noise/film damage that I saw:

And what is that black dot in the corner? Piccolo looking on waiting for Raditz to leave?!

kenisu3000 wrote:
SSj_Rambo wrote:I'm extremely disappointed that there was no kick-ass music playing when Gohan first burst out of Raditz's space pod.
In the original, they played "Gohan Wants His Hat Back!", which was even sillier and out-of-place than this new piece (which happens to be the full version of the intro jingle!). So I have no qualms with it. Also, I have to concede - the music when Goku dies is amazing, in both versions.

Hearing a full-length version of that "jingle" was very unexpected (and out of place), but I'm more disappointed about the absence of music (and tension build-up) when Gohan actually burst into the air, right before the eyecatcher.

Undercooked Sausage · Post by **Undercooked Sausage** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:53 pm

A lot of the redrawn frames look like absolute garbage, lacking depth, shading, etc.