Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:38 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:Boy you guys can tell someone’s full power from one transformation when GT stressed that the main people was beyond what came before.

You get to fanwank over Broly, I get to fanwank over Vegetto.

Who is much better than Broly in all respects and gets all the womenfolk, I must add.

Kingdom Heartless · Post by **Kingdom Heartless** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:06 pm

If Potarra Fusion truly is a multiplier like the guide inferred, then Vegetto could never be matched by any strength, Z, GT, AF, Multiverse, Hyperverse, whatever.

Which makes me wonder how powerful the Potarra Fusion between Goku and Gohan could have been. Heck, even Gotan could probably have stood against Boo.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:14 pm

Kingdom Heartless wrote:Which makes me wonder how powerful the Potarra Fusion between Goku and Gohan could have been.

Less powerful. Vegetto got boosted by the rivalry.

Also Gohan is dumb, so Gokhan would've shot his own foot off or something.

Kingdom Heartless · Post by **Kingdom Heartless** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:47 pm

How is Gohan dumb?

He was a freaking scholar who was solving problems that I can't when he was 4 years old.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:13 am

Kingdom Heartless wrote:How is Gohan dumb? He was a freaking scholar who was solving problems that I can't when he was 4 years old.

Not killing Cell when he had the chance, losing all his fighting ability in the years after the Cell Game, somehow not finishing off Buu and managing to get absorbed even though he was completely outclassing him, the list goes on and on.

Kingdom Heartless · Post by **Kingdom Heartless** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:54 am

SSJ2bardock wrote:
Kingdom Heartless wrote:How is Gohan dumb? He was a freaking scholar who was solving problems that I can't when he was 4 years old.
Not killing Cell when he had the chance, losing all his fighting ability in the years after the Cell Game, somehow not finishing off Buu and managing to get absorbed even though he was completely outclassing him, the list goes on and on.

So he made a poor decision at 10 years old when his mind had become clouded by his transformation, just as Goku's had against Freeza. The whole reason Gohan didn't want to unleash his power was because of his lack of control. And if you class Gohan as stupid for that, you'd have to think Vegeta was stupid for letting Cell get that powerful to start with. He could have finished him off as well.

There was nothing wrong with him losing the strength. Think about it from their point of view... what were the odds that a villain as powerful as Buu would show up? People look at these guys as superheroes, as if they should dedicate their lives to the one in a trillion shot that something like that would happen. Gohan was a kid... and he waited years for the chance to be one. And I doubt at 10 years old any person here would have trained enough to gain control over the SSJ2 transformation.

Also, It would have been easy to get absorbed, with bits of Buu everywhere.

FuniYamcha · Post by **FuniYamcha** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:47 pm

Kingdom Heartless wrote: Also, It would have been easy to get absorbed, with bits of Buu everywhere.

I've always maintained that if it wasn't for the convenience, Buu would have absorbed Goku at the same time. After all, there's no way he thought Goku would be worth testing his new power on (like he did with Gohan as Gotenks Buu).

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:56 pm

Kingdom Heartless wrote:How is Gohan dumb? He was a freaking scholar who was solving problems that I can't when he was 4 years old.

Not that kinda dumb. Fighting-dumb, as in if "HEAD-ON ATTACK" doesn't work, he is totally stymied.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:02 pm

Common sense-dumb, too. As in, "maybe if I just talk to the big, bad, genocidal, genetically-engineered super monster, he WON'T kill my friends and family and will just become peaceful instead!"

mister yummy · Post by **mister yummy** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:03 pm

But this isn't the Brolli we know and tolerate from movies 8 and 10. This is a Brolli that's had an adidtional 10-15 years to fight and destroy and grow stronger. This is a Brolli who has destroyed EVERYTHING in his universe, to the point that the only thing left among the void is himself, froxen in ice, floating among the oblivion.

He's destroyed everything, and potentially gotten much stronger in the process. He may possess additional transformations. He may even be on Vegito's level. We just don't know, until we see the whole fight.

Of course Brolli as we know him couldn't touch Vegito, and couldn't damage him if he did, but this isn't the Brolli we know.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:32 pm

mister yummy wrote:But this isn't the Brolli we know and tolerate from movies 8 and 10. This is a Brolli that's had an adidtional 10-15 years to fight and destroy and grow stronger. This is a Brolli who has destroyed EVERYTHING in his universe, to the point that the only thing left among the void is himself, froxen in ice, floating among the oblivion.

I thought it was a Broly who never thawed out on Earth.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:02 pm

Kingdom Heartless wrote:If Potarra Fusion truly is a multiplier like the guide inferred, then Vegetto could never be matched by any strength, Z, GT, AF, Multiverse, Hyperverse, whatever.

Which makes me wonder how powerful the Potarra Fusion between Goku and Gohan could have been. Heck, even Gotan could probably have stood against Boo.

You're assuming that Goku and Vegeta in Vegetto's universe are at least as strong as in the main universe, as well as that potara works the same way.

As for Gotan being stronger than Boo, I don't see that as happening. Satan had a PL beneath 139. If KaioshinXKibito isn't enough to defeat Gotenks-Boo, I doubt GokuXSatan would be enough to defeat a stronger form of Boo.

@Rocketman: The rivalry didn't affect the strength of the fusion itself, it affected the strength of Vegetto.
Example A: Goku and Vegeta are powerful. They fuse into Vegetto.
Example B: Goku and Vegeta are powerful. They're also rivals, so they're constantly trying to become stronger than the other, resulting in a snowball effect in which they're both always getting stronger and stronger. They fuse into Vegetto who, thanks to the rivalry of Goku and Vegeta, is significantly more powerful than Vegetto of example A.

Kingdom Heartless · Post by **Kingdom Heartless** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:41 pm

Oh no, I'm not talking about him fighting Brolli really, I'm saying if that's the way the fusion worked, then there is no way he could be matched.

I've stated myself that Vegetto vs. Brolli isn't that big a deal, since in a webcomic like this, anything is possible.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:50 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:Common sense-dumb, too. As in, "maybe if I just talk to the big, bad, genocidal, genetically-engineered super monster, he WON'T kill my friends and family and will just become peaceful instead!"

That's similar to Goku, really. He doesn't try as hard to talk things out, but he does give them a chance to give up and leave.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:36 pm

Kingdom Heartless wrote:And if you class Gohan as stupid for that, you'd have to think Vegeta was stupid for letting Cell get that powerful to start with. He could have finished him off as well.

I won't disagree with you about that, but it still doesn't make what Gohan did any less stupid.

Kingdom Heartless wrote:There was nothing wrong with him losing the strength. Think about it from their point of view... what were the odds that a villain as powerful as Buu would show up?

You really think so? I mean, even after the whole Vegeta comes to Earth, fighting Freeza on Namek, Freeza coming to Earth, the Androids appearing, Cell emerging amidst the Android chaos..... it seems like there's a pretty good chance that someone strong was going to show up sooner or later.

Kingdom Heartless wrote: And I doubt at 10 years old any person here would have trained enough to gain control over the SSJ2 transformation.

Well he did just get done training for 3 years for the Androids... then another year before the Cell Game, not to mention all of the training he had prior to that.

Kingdom Heartless · Post by **Kingdom Heartless** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:01 pm

To us, it's obvious that a more powerful villain would show up. But think from a realistic point of view (or as realistic as you can with this situation), since these characters don't realise they are in a shonen. They had already defeated what was considered the strongest in the universe. Then, there were more villains created. To kill Goku. The creator was now dead, and so was the person he was trying to kill. I really don't see any reason to believe that another villain would have shown up, let alone one that would be too powerful for the likes of Vegeta or Piccolo to handle. And was it ever stated that he immediately slacked off? It may have been, but I'm not sure. He could well have trained for a few years, but then figured there was not much point, and allowed himself to actually have a normal life, which was all he wanted. After dedicating half his life to training, when he doesn't even like to fight, I would say he had earned it.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:55 pm

I guess you can say "Hey, there's already been 4 powerful villains that have shown up, there's no way another one will", or you can say "There's already been 4 powerful villains that have shown up, there's a good chance another one will soon".

You can look at it either way, but to me after the 3rd powerful villain I would be thinking it wasn't just coincidence anymore and there were probably more on the way.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 7:06 pm

Bussani wrote:That's similar to Goku, really. He doesn't try as hard to talk things out, but he does give them a chance to give up and leave.

Yeah, but usually AFTER he beats the stuffing out of them.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:18 pm

So far, the definite 'superpowers' we have are Shirtless Ultimate Boo, Vegetto, Broli, and this All-in-One Namekian. I'm wondering if maybe later on new universes will be revealed or will arrive. I'm still hoping for a GT universe, only to see the reaction to Super Saiyan 4s...but alas...

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:27 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:
Bussani wrote:That's similar to Goku, really. He doesn't try as hard to talk things out, but he does give them a chance to give up and leave.
Yeah, but usually AFTER he beats the stuffing out of them.

Haha, true. But he does often give them at least one, "go home and you won't get hurt," warning. He told Vegeta to leave with Nappa, he told the Ginyu Force to give up and go home. I guess this stopped since the villains got much stronger, so he couldn't talk down to them as much.