Dragon Ball: Evolution- Speculation and Discussion

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:04 am

Saiyan Professor wrote:Has anyone seen this?

Man...James Marsters really knows his Dragon Ball. It really is too bad he was so underused in the movie.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:36 am

Marsters told an interviewer what he wanted to see in the sequel and he basically just described word for word what the Saiyan saga is. Can't find the link.

But yeah I think he should be the producer, like Hugh Jackman for X-Men. And before you say he has no experience being a producer, he was actually a theater producer. Not the same but still something.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:42 am

I really hope there is a sequel, they make it appear as if the franchise is about to take off with the Z portion. Which is the part that everyone likes anyway, make Dragonball sucky (to some people) and do all the cool stuff for the Z.

Kingdom Heartless · Post by **Kingdom Heartless** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:39 am

Well, I don't think everyone likes Z more.

I think I may like Dragon Ball more. More martial arts, characters a lot closer in power, secondary characters getting more screentime, etc.

Dr. Casey · Post by **Dr. Casey** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:18 am

The Z portion of Dragon Ball is great, and I can certainly see why people would prefer it to the original series (Or even prefer it greatly), but I will never understand why anyone considers Dragon Ball to be boring. It's such a well-constructed story overflowing with so much 80s charm. It's anything but boring.

I can't say which I like better. They're both very different series (I think the anime divided things at the perfect point; there's a lot of narrative changes between the 23rd Budokai and Saiyan Saga) and honestly, which segment I prefer is usually the one I'm currently watching. I agree with Heartless regarding those three advantages, though, especially the secondary characters being prominent. It's nice to have characters like Karin seem important and truly serve a purpose within the story, instead of just being that cat guy who shows up in the background every couple of tankoubon and is forty thousand times weaker than any of the main protagonists. Even Oolong is relevant up through the very end; I always considered him recognizing Chichi before anyone else to be his finest moment for some reason.

Professor is right, though, pretty much. I'm pretty sure that Z and GT are far more popular in the States than the original series. But then, I think it's well-established that the American fanbase sucks balls.

saiyanprincess · Post by **saiyanprincess** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:44 am

Saiyan-Professor wrote:I really hope there is a sequel, they make it appear as if the franchise is about to take off with the Z portion. Which is the part that everyone likes anyway, make Dragonball sucky (to some people) and do all the cool stuff for the Z.

I really agree with you! I sure hope they do make a sequel... It will be pretty strange during the Radditz saga as Goku already knows he is a Saiyan. Unless they are going to miss out Radditz all together and just throw in Nappa and Vegeta!

Although... I don't see how that would work as Goku wouldn't then die, and he wouldn't get trained by King Kai...

Well.. I want a sequal.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:34 am

Dr. Casey wrote:...I'm pretty sure that Z and GT are far more popular in the States than the original series. But then, I think it's well-established that the American fanbase sucks balls.

Yeah we know that the Japanese and the Japanese only elite fans are so enlightened and they set the standard for Dragonball fandom.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:52 am

Saiyan-Professor wrote:
Dr. Casey wrote:...I'm pretty sure that Z and GT are far more popular in the States than the original series. But then, I think it's well-established that the American fanbase sucks balls.
Yeah we know that the Japanese and the Japanese only elite fans are so enlightened and they set the standard for Dragonball fandom.

Well, on the whole, they're older, know more about manga (and Dragon Ball), and it shows.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:53 pm

Olivier Hague wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:
Dr. Casey wrote:...I'm pretty sure that Z and GT are far more popular in the States than the original series. But then, I think it's well-established that the American fanbase sucks balls.
Yeah we know that the Japanese and the Japanese only elite fans are so enlightened and they set the standard for Dragonball fandom.
Well, on the whole, they're older, know more about manga (and Dragon Ball), and it shows.

I would agree with that, even though I'm not a Japanese fan. I do know the Ameircan fanbase is mostly... ugh.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:26 pm

JAPPO wrote:
Olivier Hague wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote: Yeah we know that the Japanese and the Japanese only elite fans are so enlightened and they set the standard for Dragonball fandom.
Well, on the whole, they're older, know more about manga (and Dragon Ball), and it shows.
I would agree with that, even though I'm not a Japanese fan. I do know the Ameircan fanbase is mostly... ugh.

I will have to disagree I think that American fans among others take it in the spirit that it was meant. i.e. as entertainment. You are supposed to read/watch the material and enjoy it and move on. Whereas the ultra serious fans pitch, a bitch fit over stuff that is inconsequential in light of life overall. I seriously doubt that Akira Toriyama desired for fans to behave in the manner that we see today over something he has for the most part completed.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:32 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:I will have to disagree I think that American fans among others take it in the spirit that it was meant. i.e. as entertainment. You are supposed to read/watch the material and enjoy it and move on. Whereas the ultra serious fans pitch, a bitch fit over stuff that is inconsequential in light of life overall.

Inconsequential like a bunch of people getting together to stage a fake funeral for fun?
Who was "over-reacting", there?

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:34 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:Has anyone seen this?

...If the movies doesn't tank there'll be two more... But it surely looks like it's becoming a major fiasko

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:37 pm

Honestly this movie flopped mainly because of poor marketing, and yes yes, I know the movie isn't all that to write home about, but seriously hardly anyone knew it even came out(I know because a ton of people I know didn't know).

Even a piece of crap can be a big hit at the box office if it is marketed correctly.

B · Post by B » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:37 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:
JAPPO wrote:
Olivier Hague wrote: Well, on the whole, they're older, know more about manga (and Dragon Ball), and it shows.
I would agree with that, even though I'm not a Japanese fan. I do know the Ameircan fanbase is mostly... ugh.
I will have to disagree I think that American fans among others take it in the spirit that it was meant. i.e. as entertainment. You are supposed to read/watch the material and enjoy it and move on. Whereas the ultra serious fans pitch, a bitch fit over stuff that is inconsequential in light of life overall. I seriously doubt that Akira Toriyama desired for fans to behave in the manner that we see today over something he has for the most part completed.

I think you're giving the American fanbase too much credit, and everyone else is being slightly harsh. You have to wonder how many American fans who don't browse the 'nets know about the misconceptions FUNimation created. You're argument seems a bit weak, also. Taking it as entertainment and moving on is exactly what should be done, but it doesn't mean you shouldn't care about the show's quality.

Olivier Hague wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:I will have to disagree I think that American fans among others take it in the spirit that it was meant. i.e. as entertainment. You are supposed to read/watch the material and enjoy it and move on. Whereas the ultra serious fans pitch, a bitch fit over stuff that is inconsequential in light of life overall.
Inconsequential like a bunch of people getting together to stage a fake funeral for fun?
Who was "over-reacting", there?

Those people weren't American. Zing!

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:52 pm

B wrote:
Olivier Hague wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:I will have to disagree I think that American fans among others take it in the spirit that it was meant. i.e. as entertainment. You are supposed to read/watch the material and enjoy it and move on. Whereas the ultra serious fans pitch, a bitch fit over stuff that is inconsequential in light of life overall.
Inconsequential like a bunch of people getting together to stage a fake funeral for fun?
Who was "over-reacting", there?
Those people weren't American. Zing!

Er... Read again. I wasn't criticizing them, I was criticizing those here who took that obvious joke seriously enough to call it "retarded" or "repulsive" and to drop "idiot French Otaku" bombs.
How you can over-react like that while saying those French guys were the ones over-reacting, I have no idea...
How you can criticize "ultra-serious fans" while insulting people over a mere joke, I'm not sure either...

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:04 pm

Okay, Oliver... That joke is NOT a big deal. You're freaking out about peoples' reactions FAR more than anybody even reacted.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:11 pm

I don't remember insulting anybody, so no, not "far more"...

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:20 pm

omegacwa wrote:Honestly this movie flopped mainly because of poor marketing, and yes yes, I know the movie isn't all that to write home about, but seriously hardly anyone knew it even came out(I know because a ton of people I know didn't know).

Even a piece of crap can be a big hit at the box office if it is marketed correctly.

They did have some ads on Nick and Cartoon Network apparently, but that's not nearly enough. I told a whole bunch of people about it the week of its release and they were all really surprised to hear that it even existed. A couple wouldn't have even gone to see it if I hadn't told them it was coming out.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:23 pm

You're right, the quality of the film is irrelevant if the studio markets the film properly. Even disgustingly awful movies like "Date Movie" still make money because the studios know their brain dead audience.

Dr. Casey · Post by **Dr. Casey** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:26 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:Yeah we know that the Japanese and the Japanese only elite fans are so enlightened and they set the standard for Dragonball fandom.

Well... you said it, Professor, not me.

Besides, you do like the Japanese fanbase, hence you posting at Daizenshuu and enjoying our company. I'm not saying anything against the American fanbase because of its preferences, either. Pojo is composed primarily of those who are fans of the fake Dragon Ball (Including myself during the couple of years I posted there), but it was a very friendly, intelligent community that I'd never speak a word against (Speaking of which, I wonder where the hell Shannara went). Try having an intelligent conversation on the Atari boards, on the other hand. Or quite a few other Dragon Ball message boards. It's hard when most posts don't exceed one sentence.

I will have to disagree I think that American fans among others take it in the spirit that it was meant. i.e. as entertainment. You are supposed to read/watch the material and enjoy it and move on. Whereas the ultra serious fans pitch, a bitch fit over stuff that is inconsequential in light of life overall. I seriously doubt that Akira Toriyama desired for fans to behave in the manner that we see today over something he has for the most part completed.

Nothing unhealthy about most of Daizenshuu's approach to Dragon Ball. We talk about it a bit, have some fun discussing something we enjoy, and... that's about it, really. We're not exactly going overboard here.

I'm not sure I agree regarding Toriyama's intentions. Why would anyone want their readers to forget about the story and move on? I'm a writer myself, and while I'm sure that I'd appreciate the casual fans just fine, I'd be a lot more fond of those who took things more seriously. The more you appreciate my story the better, I say.

And I think American fans read or watch the series and proceed to move on because the English version is terrible. Japanese fans tend to stick around a bit because the real Dragon Ball provides things worth sticking around for.