Dragon Ball: Evolution- Speculation and Discussion

Tenshinhan-san · Post by **Tenshinhan-san** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:57 pm

Yesterday I read on Jappo's forum that Ben Ramsey said that the first draft of his script didn't have any highschool scenes at all but rather a prologue about Piccolo's reign over earth...

It got dropped due to budget restraints or something like that.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:06 pm

Tenshinhan-san wrote:Yesterday I read on Jappo's forum that Ben Ramsey said that the first draft of his script didn't have any highschool scenes at all but rather a prologue about Piccolo's reign over earth...

It got dropped due to budget restraints or something like that.

I read that too. Its do depressing I would've much preferred the "Piccolo's reign" prologue. This whole debacle makes me think of:

"You don't understand! I could've had class. I could've been a contender. I could've been somebody..."

I really do kinda feel bad about everything that happened. I really wanted to see a genuinely exciting live action DB movie.

If they ever make another; they NEED to give their villain more screen time. I think that was the major flaw their Piccolo had. He was barely in the movie. You need to have him bump heads with Goku at least once before they have their final big battle.

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:06 pm

Pain wrote:I'll be the first to say,"Who the fuck is this?!".

Looks like Omega(Yi Xing Long) Shenron to me.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:36 pm

Chuquita wrote:Aw having Cymbal in the movie would've been awesome; if only so that we'd have some of Piccolo's original minions in there (Mai kinda counts; but I mean in terms of characters from the manga who Piccolo created/gave birth to.)

Why were so many things dropped from the final product?

Because it was suddenly turned into a children's movie.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:49 pm

Pain wrote:
Chuquita wrote:Aw having Cymbal in the movie would've been awesome; if only so that we'd have some of Piccolo's original minions in there (Mai kinda counts; but I mean in terms of characters from the manga who Piccolo created/gave birth to.)

Why were so many things dropped from the final product?
Because it was suddenly turned into a children's movie.

That's terrible bad luck.

I know this movie would've had more room to breath in both plotline and the speed of the plot (more exposition for Piccolo please!!) if it'd been PG-13 like most other superhero/comic-adapted-into-a-live-action-movie films these days.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:51 pm

The script I have is most likely PG-13. It does have two moments where a character says "shit," and the final fight at the end is rather long and brutal - I believe I said 14-15 pages. Including dialogue, though.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:56 pm

Chuquita wrote:
Pain wrote:
Chuquita wrote:Aw having Cymbal in the movie would've been awesome; if only so that we'd have some of Piccolo's original minions in there (Mai kinda counts; but I mean in terms of characters from the manga who Piccolo created/gave birth to.)

Why were so many things dropped from the final product?
Because it was suddenly turned into a children's movie.

That's terrible bad luck.

I know this movie would've had more room to breath in both plotline and the speed of the plot (more exposition for Piccolo please!!) if it'd been PG-13 like most other superhero/comic-adapted-into-a-live-action-movie films these days.

I feel that in order for the sequel to not flop like it's predecessor did, it must have an extended amount of time of filming, no James Wong, and a better marketing plan. Oh, and let's not forget a better script.

JAPPO wrote:The script I have is most likely PG-13. It does have two moments where a character says "shit," and the final fight at the end is rather long and brutal - I believe I said 14-15 pages. Including dialogue, though.

Son says "Oh Shhh---", after knocking the wrong Chi Chi out, remember?

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:02 pm

Pain wrote:
Chuquita wrote:
Pain wrote: Because it was suddenly turned into a children's movie.

That's terrible bad luck.

I know this movie would've had more room to breath in both plotline and the speed of the plot (more exposition for Piccolo please!!) if it'd been PG-13 like most other superhero/comic-adapted-into-a-live-action-movie films these days.
I feel that in order for the sequel to not flop like it's predecessor did, it must have an extended amount of time of filming, no James Wong, and a better marketing plan. Oh, and let's not forget a better script.

Very much agreed. I do believe a live action DB film can work, they just need to do what you mentioned there.

I'd also replace a few of the actors, I wasn't satisfied with some of them.

And I forgot ALL ABOUT that 14 to 15 page final battle in the script. O_O
What happened to that battle anyways? Is it safe to post it now that the movie's out? Why did they cut out all mentions of Kakarrotto and the saiyajins in the final film?

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:06 pm

The talk about the Saiya-Jin and Piccolo using the name "Kakarot", is all in the game(How ironic. The source material lies in the shitty game that no one really wants). And remember when Chung said that they re-shot the final battle? What if that "re-shoot" of the battle is the one that was used in theaters, due to the movie's "PG" rating? Any thoughts on that?

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:12 pm

Pain wrote:The talk about the Saiya-Jin and Piccolo using the name "Kakarot", is all in the game(How ironic. The source material lies in the shitty game that no one really wants). And remember when Chung said that they re-shot the final battle? What if that "re-shoot" of the battle is the one that was used in theaters, due to the movie's "PG" rating? Any thoughts on that?

I don't have a PSP, so I couldn't play the game anyways.

That'd be awful if the re-shoot was to replace some amazing, PG-13, extensive final battle against Piccolo with that ridiculously short 5 minute mini-fight. TT_TT

One of the things I really wanted to see in this movie was a big marital arts battle in the style of the original Dragon Ball.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:14 pm

Chuquita wrote:
Pain wrote:The talk about the Saiya-Jin and Piccolo using the name "Kakarot", is all in the game(How ironic. The source material lies in the shitty game that no one really wants). And remember when Chung said that they re-shot the final battle? What if that "re-shoot" of the battle is the one that was used in theaters, due to the movie's "PG" rating? Any thoughts on that?

I don't have a PSP, so I couldn't play the game anyways.

That'd be awful if the re-shoot was to replace some amazing, PG-13, extensive final battle against Piccolo with that ridiculously short 5 minute mini-fight. TT_TT

One of the things I really wanted to see in this movie was a big marital arts battle in the style of the original Dragon Ball.

It's all probably gonna be on the DVD. And how many of you have heard about this "Neo Piccolo", from the PSP game?

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:16 pm

I was in New York last week for vacation and decided to watch the movie again in Times Square. I found it much more enjoyable the 2nd time around and the NYC crowd seemed to like it a lot more than the CA crowd from my experience.

Most people won't believe I went to see it twice.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:25 pm

Castor Troy wrote:I was in New York last week for vacation and decided to watch the movie again in Times Square. I found it much more enjoyable the 2nd time around and the NYC crowd seemed to like it a lot more than the CA crowd from my experience.

Most people won't believe I went to see it twice.

What would you rate it as?

Super Sayian Prime · Post by **Super Sayian Prime** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:44 pm

Well I saw the movie twice in theatres as well

Pain wrote: And how many of you have heard about this "Neo Piccolo", from the PSP game?

You mean this Neo Piccolo:

Who seems to be DBE's Ma Junior?

I think I need like an Avatar or something so people can tell who I am. I'll take some snaps of his Story Mode, and some of the arcade battles tonight. They'll be up either today, or tommorrow.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:54 pm

Perhaps it's from the "Reborn" script? Odd they would include it in a PSP game.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:58 pm

JAPPO wrote:Perhaps it's from the "Reborn" script? Odd they would include it in a PSP game.

I like that thought but I swear that battle better take place in the early part of the movie because I must see Vegeta in DB. Reborn.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:01 pm

No. This "Neo Piccolo" seems to be an unfinished design. He favors the original a little too much. I'm sure that his appearance will change, by the time "Reborn" comes out.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:02 pm

Wow. So their really going to make a sequel? Dragon Ball: Reborn? Why can't they just call it Dragon Ball Z? Just by calling it Dragon Ball Z they'd get more people in those seats....

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:05 pm

Pain wrote:
Castor Troy wrote:I was in New York last week for vacation and decided to watch the movie again in Times Square. I found it much more enjoyable the 2nd time around and the NYC crowd seemed to like it a lot more than the CA crowd from my experience.

Most people won't believe I went to see it twice.
What would you rate it as?

6/10 first viewing
6.5/10 second viewing

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:05 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote:Wow. So their really going to make a sequel? Dragon Ball: Reborn? Why can't they just call it Dragon Ball Z? Just by calling it Dragon Ball Z they'd get more people in those seats....

How do you know it's even DBZ, though?