Strange matchup in Budokai 3 Intro?

ItsAllGood · Post by **ItsAllGood** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 7:41 am

Did anyone else think it was strange that Gogeta, possibly the most powerful fighter in the series, got matched up with none other than Brolli in the introduction to Budokai 3?

On top of that, Gogeta cops a huge punch in the face by Brolli, which ends up cutting Gogeta's lip...

Brolli must be pretty tough to go toe to toe with Gogeta. If Brolli can physically damage Gogeta, then where does Brolli fit in with the whole "strongest fighter in Budokai 3" scenario? Would this give a clue to his real strength, or perhaps the storyboard writers got it slightly wrong?

ItsAllGood

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 11:36 am

if anything its a testament to how strong Gogeta is that ALL he got was a cut on the lip. Broli laid major waste to Goku, Vegeta, Future Trunks, Gohan, and Piccolo all at once in his first movie and was just BARELY defeated at the end of it all, Broli's a huge mad powerhouse. Really this just shows all Gogeta got was a small cut, thats pretty good considering the opponent.

El_Diablo · Post by **El_Diablo** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 11:50 am

Considering Gogeta's strength compared to Broli, that punch shouldn't have phased him at all

Dewgel · Post by **Dewgel** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 12:21 pm

The intro is just a battle royal when you think about it, showcasing all of the main characters.

EG. Do these matchup very well?
SS2 Gohan vs. Metal Cooler
Vegeta Blue Gi vs. Cell

It's just showing, that because in the game, Broly is thought of as one of the strongest..
Seriousely, think about it.

Budokai 2 Intro:
We saw some true to the anime fights at the start.
But... Kid Buu vs. SS3 Goku, Goku was kicking the meat out of Buu.

Anyhow, as I said before - It's just a battle royal showcasing all of the main characters ^_^ .

-Steve

Cloud_Graywords · Post by **Cloud_Graywords** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 4:24 pm

Dewgel wrote:The intro is just a battle royal when you think about it, showcasing all of the main characters.

EG. Do these matchup very well?
SS2 Gohan vs. Metal Cooler
Vegeta Blue Gi vs. Cell

It's just showing, that because in the game, Broly is thought of as one of the strongest..
Seriousely, think about it.

Budokai 2 Intro:
We saw some true to the anime fights at the start.
But... Kid Buu vs. SS3 Goku, Goku was kicking the meat out of Buu.

Anyhow, as I said before - It's just a battle royal showcasing all of the main characters ^_^ .

-Steve

i think as you do. But i Also think maybe Broli it can be a match for gogeta. He is the LSSJ after all right?.

In First place we never saw the real power of gogeta, in the movie we just saw 1 single move and we are not sure if his oponent is or not stronger than broli. Yeah you are right, we saw him in GT vs Omega Shenglong but gogeta SSj 4 its really much more stronger than his ssj2 (obviousbly) and also if we think about it as someone says before broli match up goku, vegeta, gohan and piccolo all at once and gogeta its just goku+vegeta. Am i Right?

Talking about Broli. Why he dont have his tail? i dont remember very well.
vegeta lost his one but never grow up again. Why?

Post by **VegettoEX** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 4:30 pm

Honestly?

It's a god damn video game opening sequence. Who else are they going to have Gogeta fight? Lunch?

Dewgel · Post by **Dewgel** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 4:56 pm

VegettoEX wrote:Honestly?

It's a god damn video game opening sequence. Who else are they going to have Gogeta fight? Lunch?

Lunch vs. Gogeta = Pwnage.

I would actually enjoy seeing that.

Broly powerlevel was around Cells...Gogeta's PL was around..Vegito's...

Duh?

-Steve

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 6:57 pm

Obviously, Broli received the 'Mystic' power-up like Gohan did, and went SSJ on top of that. And as we know from reliable sources, that's enough to make the Earth blow up, so obviously he was a match for Gojita.

Luckily, Gojita was able to go SSJ2.5 and use the Kayoken while blasting him away with a kamayamaya ;p

-Corey
Going to Hell

ChibiKenji · Post by **ChibiKenji** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 7:43 pm

Brolly would be weaker than C16, but I really don't want to go into that. Too many damn 'Brolly iz tha greetest!!!1' threads and debates on the GameFAQs B3 board for me to even care anymore.

As for the intro, it's like others said. It's just showcasing what fighters are in the game, it's not meant to be taken as a serious, thought-out comparison.

oponok · Post by **oponok** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 8:16 pm

Nevermind Vegeta is fighting Cell, Goku is fighting Freeza, and Gotenks is fighting Kid Buu all on the same fateful day. And all the female characters on the sidelines are 8 heads tall, which just looks wrong in Toriyama's style. This isn't Utena, people!!

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 10:23 pm

ChibiKenji wrote:Brolly would be weaker than C16, but I really don't want to go into that. Too many damn 'Brolly iz tha greetest!!!1' threads and debates on the GameFAQs B3 board for me to even care anymore.

As for the intro, it's like others said. It's just showcasing what fighters are in the game, it's not meant to be taken as a serious, thought-out comparison.

Actually, Broli is weaker than Raditz. He just happened to have a piece of the planet Vejita which served as kryptonite for the Saiyajin. Also, Piccolo was PMS-ing, so he wasn't fighting at his prime.

-Corey
Doesn't get how Broli could be weaker than someone weaker than 2nd form Cell, when Gohan is SSJ meaning the movie took place after the RoSaT... O_o;

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 10:44 pm

ChibiKenji wrote:Brolly would be weaker than C16, but I really don't want to go into that. Too many damn 'Brolly iz tha greetest!!!1' threads and debates on the GameFAQs B3 board for me to even care anymore.

You say you don't want to start a debate on Broli's power, and then you go and make a statement that he's weaker than android 16? By the way, there's no "C" infront of his title, because he's not a cyborg.

ChibiKenji · Post by **ChibiKenji** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:03 am

Deus ex Machina wrote:You say you don't want to start a debate on Broli's power, and then you go and make a statement that he's weaker than android 16?

Yes, I do. It is my opinion that Brolly is weaker than #16, but in stating it, I have no intention of starting a debate.

By the way, there's no "C" infront of his title, because he's not a cyborg.

Touché. Just habit, I guess.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:15 am

ChibiKenji wrote:Brolly would be weaker than C16, but I really don't want to go into that. Too many damn 'Brolly iz tha greetest!!!1' threads and debates on the GameFAQs B3 board for me to even care anymore.

God I am SO tired of hearing that! How could Brolly be weaker than Android 16 if he's kicking the crap out of Post RoSaT Z fighters who were stronger than Semi-Perfect Cell?

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:20 am

ChibiKenji wrote:Yes, I do. It is my opinion that Brolly is weaker than #16, but in stating it, I have no intention of starting a debate.

Alright, everyone is entitled to their opinion after all. Just because Broli is atleast as strong as fully-powered Perfect Cell, doesn't mean we have to debate it.

ChibiKenji · Post by **ChibiKenji** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:36 am

Xyex wrote:God I am SO tired of hearing that! How could Brolly be weaker than Android 16 if he's kicking the crap out of Post RoSaT Z fighters who were stronger than Semi-Perfect Cell?

...

...the debater in me is screaming to say something...

Let me just ask you this: If it's Post-RoSaT, why is Gohan so weak? If it's set after the time in the RoSaT, logically, he should be the strongest of the good-guys there.

Edit: I can't resist, I'll bite...

Proof for Post-RoSaT:

~Gohan is SSj

Proof for Pre-RoSaT:

~Gohan is weaker than the other SSjs. If this Post-RoSaT, his FPSSj should be stronger than Goku's. Which brings me to my second point...

~No FPSSj or USSj. If this is set in the ten days before the Cell Game, Goku and Gohan should be SSj 24/7, which they are not. Vegeta and Trunks would also have logically used their USSj forms, considering the strength of their opponent.

~No mass-panic caused by everyone thinking they've got less than a fortnight to live. Actually, no mention of Cell whatsoever. If I thought I was going to die in 10 days, I know I sure wouldn't be enrolling my kid into a school...

How can I answer for the fact that Gohan is an SSj, when this happened during his time in the RoSaT? I can't, completely. It's easiest to assume this is an Alternate Universe (this isn't too implausable, think movie 1, with Krillin knowing Gohan), possily one in which the Artificial Humans were defeated early, and in which Cell never existed. It's fair to assume Gohan would have reached SSj through training eventually anyway.

So, a power comparision (in my opinion, going off what I've already said):

FPSSj Gohan > FPSSj Goku > USSj Vegeta > USSj Trunks > Semi-Perfect Cell* > #16 > 'Kamiccolo' = #17 > #18* > Pre-RoSaT Saiyans > Pre-Merger Piccolo

* indicates where Brolly could fit in. It was possibly a little incorrect of me to say he would lose to #16, but in my opinion, at best he could be stronger than #16, at worst #18. Probably the equivilant of a USSj. No way do I think he's near Super Perfect Cell, though.

Metrite · Post by **Metrite** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:48 am

Gohan is weaker than the other SSjs.

Gohan wasn't weaker, he just was no match for Broly, just like everyone else. Gohan went down quick because Broly KOed him in one shot, which he could've done to anybody.

No FPSSj or USSj.

Trunks and Vegeta did go ussj. Look at Trunks in the scene where he changed, you can clearly see the muscles increase the way they do when he's ussj, which ripped his shirt.

ChibiKenji · Post by **ChibiKenji** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 5:17 am

Metrite wrote:Trunks and Vegeta did go ussj. Look at Trunks in the scene where he changed, you can clearly see the muscles increase the way they do when he's ussj, which ripped his shirt.

To my recollection, he's not as buffed-up or bulky as he is in his USSj state.

Neon Z · Post by **Neon Z** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 8:24 am

In my opnion, Movie 8 happens during Gohan's and Goku's training in the RoSaT, before they achieved FP SSJ, which would put Brolly's power around Perfect Cell, though surely weaker than Super Perfect Cell. The fact that SSJ Vegeta > SSJ Gohan supports that.

Brolly being weaker than #16 is stupid. SSJ Gohan in movie 10, though weaker than SSJ Gohan at the Cell Games, had to be stronger than #16, but he got owned by Brolly, though not as bad as 7 years ago(which also proves that SSJ Gohan from the first movie was before FPSSJ, because FPSSJ Kid Gohan should be stronger than SSJ teen Gohan, but he wasn't).

To my recollection, he's not as buffed-up or bulky as he is in his USSj state.

But they did buff up. Toei can't get details right, most of the time... nitpicking would destroy anything they did for DB... They can't even tell the difference between SSJ1 and SSJ2 for anyone but Cell Games Gohan...

It's obvious that Toei intended them to be USSJs, compare them to their Base forms, and you'll see the difference.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 8:30 am

ChibiKenji wrote:
Metrite wrote:Trunks and Vegeta did go ussj. Look at Trunks in the scene where he changed, you can clearly see the muscles increase the way they do when he's ussj, which ripped his shirt.
To my recollection, he's not as buffed-up or bulky as he is in his USSj state.

Um, duh?! By this point they know that the bulk of SSJU (That's how I do it now, kills confusion) and SSJU2 slows them down to damn much to be of use so of course they'd cut it at a 'happy medium'. SSJU0.5 if you like. But there's absolutely no way this could be pre-RoSaT as Gohan is a Super Saiya-jin.