Mirai Trunks is wimp?

[Senzu_Bean]

Something I was wondering today... Trunks is a hybrid, half Saiyan & half human, and going by Nappa hybrids are "Super Saiyans" and Gohan is the proof of that. He entered in the RoSaT being weaker than Freeza and came out being stronger than everything else in damn universe (except for Majin Buu). Both Chibi Trunks and Son Goten also make justice of hybrids however Mirai Trunks does not have any characteristic of a hybrid.

He is a Super Saiyan yes though both Goku and Vegeta also are. He was even weaker than Base Gohan when he was 13 and with two times in the RoSaT he did not become stronger than his father. There is any reason why Mirai Trunks is such a weakling compared to Gohan and Chibi Trunks other than Toriyama not planning stuff and the lack of food in his time (:P)?

[Anonymous Friend]

Something I was wondering today... Trunks is a hybrid, half Saiyan & half human, and going by Nappa hybrids are "Super Saiyans" and Gohan is the proof of that. He entered in the RoSaT being weaker than Freeza and came out being stronger than everything else in damn universe (except for Majin Buu). Both Chibi Trunks and Son Goten also make justice of hybrids however Mirai Trunks does not have any characteristic of a hybrid.

He is a Super Saiyan yes though both Goku and Vegeta also are. He was even weaker than Base Gohan when he was 13 and with two times in the RoSaT he did not become stronger than his father. There is any reason why Mirai Trunks is such a weakling compared to Gohan and Chibi Trunks other than Toriyama not planning stuff and the lack of food in his time (:P)?

How was he weaker than Freeza? And base Gohan?

[Senzu_Bean]

Something I was wondering today... Trunks is a hybrid, half Saiyan & half human, and going by Nappa hybrids are "Super Saiyans" and Gohan is the proof of that. He entered in the RoSaT being weaker than Freeza and came out being stronger than everything else in damn universe (except for Majin Buu). Both Chibi Trunks and Son Goten also make justice of hybrids however Mirai Trunks does not have any characteristic of a hybrid.

He is a Super Saiyan yes though both Goku and Vegeta also are. He was even weaker than Base Gohan when he was 13 and with two times in the RoSaT he did not become stronger than his father. There is any reason why Mirai Trunks is such a weakling compared to Gohan and Chibi Trunks other than Toriyama not planning stuff and the lack of food in his time (:P)?

How was he weaker than Freeza? And base Gohan?

I was talking about Gohan- he was weaker than Freeza. Base Gohan on Trunks's future. In the Manga SSJ Trunks is sparring with Base Gohan with the latter having no difficulties blocking Trunks's attacks.

[Wojak]

The only difference here is that Trunks didn't have Goku as a father and training companion in the ROSAT.
I think he would have came out stronger than Gohan from the ROSAT.
His determination is greater than Gohan, who by that time was unsecure about the whole thing. He heavily depended on Goku all the way.
Trunks would have done that too, but in a much less extent.
He has learned that you have to take care of yourself.

Also, Trunks and Vegeta went into the ROSAT again, but alone. Training without a parther is much less effective.
Piccolo went up a huge deal in power because of his training with Goku and Gohan.

Goten and present Trunks were special, I don't know if the circumstances were different at the conception, but it still remains that future Trunks grew up in a stressful enviroment and that he had to let all his feelings in to be able to survive.
That may have lead to his problems reaching the Super Saiya-jin state.

Also, Goten and Trunks played sparring. So they had an equal parther to practice with, which lead to their great strength.

I don't think that future Trunks began his training that early.

[Senzu_Bean]

Yep, interesting and valid points you made with your post. Those are true though:

I don't think that future Trunks began his training that early.

He should start training much sooner considering the Artificial Humans were a major threat. Though that could explain why Base Gohan could keep up with SSJ Trunks since he probably started his training at that time.

[Yamcha_krillin]

I always believed that Gohan was a SSJ2 against Dabura and that Dabura was as strong as a SSJ2.The Daizenshu confirms this too.But Dabura can't be stronger then SPC because Dabura was fighting equally with Gohan who didn't train for 7 years and who was weaker then SPC and even if Daburta was holding back he wasn't holding back much.

[Senzu_Bean]

^ Wrong thread I guess.

[Joey Batz]

Actually, Future Trunks displays a lot of Saiyan-Human hybrid characteristics. He turned Super Saiyan for the first time at about 13 (possibly earlier according to the manga's version of Trunks' story), and Gohan first transformed at about the age of 11 (give or take a year, damn RoSaT). He was strong enough to completely destroy Frieza at the age of 17. Neither Goku or Vegeta were that strong at his age.

Gohan left Trunks in the dust for a couple reasons. First, Gohan's rage allowed for huge explosions of strength (I assume because he kept his anger repressed constantly, possibly a result of Chi-Chi wanting him to grow up and be all prim and proper). Second, because Goku trained and sparred with Gohan in the RoSaT, while Vegeta probably flew as far away from Trunks as possible to train while in there. Not too mention Goku's sudden epiphany while in the room (working to make SSJ their normal forms rather than pushing for some huge muscular transformation).

As for Trunks, he didn't start formally training with Gohan until he was about 12-13. Between Bulma not wanting him to fight the androids and Gohan probably not wanting him involved in the fighting, he had no sparring partner for his whole life. Sure, I'm sure he worked out, but we all realize that training with a partner is more effective than training alone and unfortunately Trunks was doing the latter. Honestly, though, he probably spent more time "surviving" than training, and any strength he had at the point of the History of Trunks story can probably be attributed to that (as well as his hybrid heritage, of course).

[Xyex]

In the Manga SSJ Trunks is sparring with Base Gohan with the latter having no difficulties blocking Trunks's attacks.

We see so little of that training that nothing says Trunks wasn't already completely exhausted before they started sparring. Considering Gohan's thoughts about Trunks power and the short time span between the sparring and Trunks killing Freeza I figure this is quite likely.

He should start training much sooner considering the Artificial Humans were a major threat.

Yeah, they were a threat, but Bulma was doing what most mothers would. Keeping her son away from the killer monsters and telling him to let Gohan handle it.

[The Time Traveller]

Vegeta wasn't able to become Super Saiyan when Trunks was conceived, and yes, I'm talking about SUPER SAIYAN SPERM!

I also think that if Saiyans hang around with or train with Super Saiyans, they're able to advance to Super Saiyan as well, only it'd take even longer with a full blooded Saiyan.

[Ramoro-san]

"Wimp?" Don't be dissing my boy Trunks. He's a sexy BAMF.

No but really, I think Joey's got the right idea.
However, I frankly also think it has something to do with the fact that as Toriyama continued to expand his story and the DB world, he wrote it so that newer characters ever-so-conveniently had a progressively easier time achieving incredible levels of power.

[omegacwa]

Vegeta wasn't able to become Super Saiyan when Trunks was conceived, and yes, I'm talking about SUPER SAIYAN SPERM!
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Is there actually a timeline that states when Vegeta first went SSJ? I mean, he could have been a SSJ when Trunks was conceived. I don't think it is ever stated anywhere when Vegeta first transformed during the three year period. I mean, Legacy of Goku 2 on GBA said it was like minutes before his fight with android 19, but that is just ridiculous. He clearly displays control over the transformation. I would say Vegeta had been SSJ for maybe a year before the androids showed up, which would give him plenty of time be SSJ and knock Bulma up.

Also, wouldn't it be hilarious if Vegeta turned SSJ and went home to celebrate with Bulma, had too many drinks and wahlah! Trunks!

[Kaboom]

Also, wouldn't it be hilarious if Vegeta turned SSJ and went home to celebrate with Bulma, had too many drinks and wahlah! Trunks!

That's actually the popular theory. He reached Super Saiyan out in space, then came back to Earth and woohoo'd Bulma to celebrate.

[Bussani]

Vegeta wasn't able to become Super Saiyan when Trunks was conceived, and yes, I'm talking about SUPER SAIYAN SPERM!
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Is there actually a timeline that states when Vegeta first went SSJ? I mean, he could have been a SSJ when Trunks was conceived. I don't think it is ever stated anywhere when Vegeta first transformed during the three year period. I mean, Legacy of Goku 2 on GBA said it was like minutes before his fight with android 19, but that is just ridiculous. He clearly displays control over the transformation. I would say Vegeta had been SSJ for maybe a year before the androids showed up, which would give him plenty of time be SSJ and knock Bulma up.

Also, wouldn't it be hilarious if Vegeta turned SSJ and went home to celebrate with Bulma, had too many drinks and wahlah! Trunks!

I think Time Traveller was referring to Vegeta in Mirai Trunks' timeline. There's no way of knowing if he ever became a Super Saiyajin in that timeline or not though. Even if he did, it probably wouldn't have helped him against the Androids.