DB.E Worldwide Total

DragonBalllKaiHD · Post by **DragonBalllKaiHD** » Fri May 01, 2009 11:42 pm

Ok, this isn't Wolverine forum. It's DB forum. Go posting somewhere that dedicates to Wolverine.

Tenshinhan-san · Post by **Tenshinhan-san** » Sat May 02, 2009 9:27 am

Here

pull the stick out of your ass.

Velasa · Post by **Velasa** » Sat May 02, 2009 1:56 pm

The kid's got a point- we can run off topic for a little while but not a whole page or more. The Wolverine thing wasn't even being discussed in context with recent movie adaptations, just on its own.

Though that Deadpool comparison picture was pretty hilarious.

But yeah, it's time to get back on topic.

Anonymous Friend · Post by **Anonymous Friend** » Tue May 05, 2009 2:17 pm

Whether or not they get everything "right" in a DB:E sequel I could care less. What I want to see are Dragonball caliber fight scenes and if I have to sit through a bad Dragonball movie to do so then so be it.

As for the Wolverine movie, I saw it this weekend, and there were two after the credits scenes, but I don't remember seeing the first one from the link that was given.

Dark Vegeta-Sama · Post by **Dark Vegeta-Sama** » Sat May 09, 2009 3:07 am

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:Ok, this isn't Wolverine forum. It's DB forum. Go posting somewhere that dedicates to Wolverine.

Stop complaining.

Tommy · Post by **Tommy** » Wed May 13, 2009 1:11 am

I'm not reading through 7 pages to see if it's already been said, but after reading the first page a lot of people seem to think a film turns a profit if it makes more than the budget, or breaks even if it makes as much as the budget. This couldn't be further from the truth. What isn't included in the production budget is the marketing, which is a hefty sum. The general rule of thumb is that a film has to gross three times it's budget to turn a profit.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Wed May 13, 2009 1:29 am

Tommy wrote:I'm not reading through 7 pages to see if it's already been said, but after reading the first page a lot of people seem to think a film turns a profit if it makes more than the budget, or breaks even if it makes as much as the budget. This couldn't be further from the truth. What isn't included in the production budget is the marketing, which is a hefty sum. The general rule of thumb is that a film has to gross three times it's budget to turn a profit.[citation needed]

Yeah because Dragon Ball Evolution had an enormous marketing strategy.

Tommy · Post by **Tommy** » Wed May 13, 2009 4:00 am

Innagadadavida wrote:
Yeah because Dragon Ball Evolution had an enormous marketing strategy.

The bigger the budget of the film, the more money they put into the marketing. Hence why a 50 million dollar movie like DBE didn't get the same kind of push as a 150 million dollar film like Wolverine. It's safe to assume the studio spends about the same amount of money on the marketing as they do on the production of the film itself, hence where the three times it's budget to turn a profit comes into play. You may not think much was spent on the marketing of DBE, but running commercials on TV isn't cheap.

Anonymous Friend · Post by **Anonymous Friend** » Wed May 13, 2009 7:40 am

Tommy wrote:I'm not reading through 7 pages to see if it's already been said, but after reading the first page a lot of people seem to think a film turns a profit if it makes more than the budget, or breaks even if it makes as much as the budget. This couldn't be further from the truth. What isn't included in the production budget is the marketing, which is a hefty sum. The general rule of thumb is that a film has to gross three times it's budget to turn a profit.

Doesn't the budget include the marketing and stuff?

Senzu_Bean · Post by **Senzu_Bean** » Wed May 13, 2009 10:16 am

DBE had a marketing budget of 17 dollars. Yep, that is true. Last year I gave a party and with only 18 dollars more people knew about the party than now people knew about DBE.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Wed May 13, 2009 11:44 am

Tommy wrote:The bigger the budget of the film, the more money they put into the marketing. Hence why a 50 million dollar movie like DBE didn't get the same kind of push as a 150 million dollar film like Wolverine. It's safe to assume the studio spends about the same amount of money on the marketing as they do on the production of the film itself, hence where the three times it's budget to turn a profit comes into play. You may not think much was spent on the marketing of DBE, but running commercials on TV isn't cheap.

Okay, but I'm still skeptical about your numbers. Can you show me a reputable source?

This isn't me being delusional because I want to see a sequel. It just doesn't make much sense to me not to include all expenses in a BUDGET.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Wed May 13, 2009 1:03 pm

Tommy wrote:The general rule of thumb is that a film has to gross three times it's budget to turn a profit.

That's the rule of thumb for an above expectations movie, not a profit turning movie. To turn a profit, it just needs to make more money than the budget.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Wed May 13, 2009 2:51 pm

Sorry for the double-post; wasn't sure if I should edit the previous one since it's been a few hours and talks about something else.

Domestic Total (as of May 12): $9,097,285
Foreign Total (as of April 26): $46,880,853
Gross Total: Over $55,978,138

But yeah, while making a profit, it's still a failure, as the Domestic Total is beneath the budget. It's just not a bomb.

Tenshinhan-san · Post by **Tenshinhan-san** » Wed May 13, 2009 3:38 pm

How is it not a bomb if only about 2/3 of the money goes to FOX?

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Wed May 13, 2009 3:55 pm

Tenshinhan-san wrote:How is it not a bomb if only about 2/3 of the money goes to FOX?

I thought the adjusted budget was $50 million?

EDIT: If not, then yeah, it bombed. FOX's share would be only $40,351,187, which is $9,648,813 short of break-even.

Tommy · Post by **Tommy** » Thu May 14, 2009 4:37 am

Dayspring wrote:
Tommy wrote:The general rule of thumb is that a film has to gross three times it's budget to turn a profit.
That's the rule of thumb for an above expectations movie, not a profit turning movie. To turn a profit, it just needs to make more money than the budget.

Even if you completely eliminated the marketing budget which is NOT included in the production budget, the movie would still need to make double it's budget just to break even since only half of each ticket sale goes to the studio. So 50 million dollar movie... let's say a very modest 10 million dollar marketing budget, the movie needs to pull in 110 million at the box office just to break even.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Thu May 14, 2009 12:31 pm

Tommy wrote:
Dayspring wrote:
Tommy wrote:The general rule of thumb is that a film has to gross three times it's budget to turn a profit.
That's the rule of thumb for an above expectations movie, not a profit turning movie. To turn a profit, it just needs to make more money than the budget.
Even if you completely eliminated the marketing budget which is NOT included in the production budget, the movie would still need to make double it's budget just to break even since only half of each ticket sale goes to the studio. So 50 million dollar movie... let's say a very modest 10 million dollar marketing budget, the movie needs to pull in 110 million at the box office just to break even.

Where can I learn more about movie budgets and profits? Where did these facts come from?

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Thu May 14, 2009 1:06 pm

Tommy wrote:
Dayspring wrote:
Tommy wrote:The general rule of thumb is that a film has to gross three times it's budget to turn a profit.
That's the rule of thumb for an above expectations movie, not a profit turning movie. To turn a profit, it just needs to make more money than the budget.
Even if you completely eliminated the marketing budget which is NOT included in the production budget, the movie would still need to make double it's budget just to break even since only half of each ticket sale goes to the studio. So 50 million dollar movie... let's say a very modest 10 million dollar marketing budget, the movie needs to pull in 110 million at the box office just to break even.

But in a case like that, the film's budget would be $110 million. A Film/Movie Budget is all the budgets added up. So if DB:E's budget is $50 million, that means the production + marketing + profits lost to ticket prices = $50 million. Hence why it sucked so hard and there was close to no advertising.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Thu May 14, 2009 1:17 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:
Tommy wrote:
Dayspring wrote:That's the rule of thumb for an above expectations movie, not a profit turning movie. To turn a profit, it just needs to make more money than the budget.
Even if you completely eliminated the marketing budget which is NOT included in the production budget, the movie would still need to make double it's budget just to break even since only half of each ticket sale goes to the studio. So 50 million dollar movie... let's say a very modest 10 million dollar marketing budget, the movie needs to pull in 110 million at the box office just to break even.
Where can I learn more about movie budgets and profits? Where did these facts come from?

I was about to ask that very same question, can we have a source cited for this?

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Thu May 14, 2009 1:18 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:I was about to ask that very same question, can we have a source cited for this?

Well, I asked him before (on this same page) and he didn't respond.