Worst Fate

SaiyanBlood · Post by **SaiyanBlood** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 3:33 am

Which character do you think has the worst fate in the ending?

Piccolo is trapped eternally in hell although he had ultimately chosen good in the end. The only chance the Namek would be able to free himself is if Goku holds to the promise he had made.

In the end, there's only himself.Alone.

Vegeta , while staying and presumably dying peacefully in the end with his loved ones by his side, has to stay and protect the Earth, because he is bound by the promise he made to Goku. The prince might've chosen to stay where he belongs in the end anyway, but as we have seen many times saiyans have a natural desire for travel. Our arrogant prince could have easily broken his promise, as many would have, but he didn't.

For something deeper, Vegeta had chosen to stay.

Goku. An exceptionably good warrior who has created a strong impact on those who surround him.A faded legend, grown old and almost forgotten over time. He walks alone, watching the world revolve around him, little more than just an unliving memory of an era of heroes. While those he knows pass on, he lurks alone, for as long as eternity has its way.

And, when he returns briefly, he finds everyone gone.

So which character has the worst fate? Or do you have an addition to make?

I'm new here, by the way, so please don't flame me

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 3:47 am

I'd say Vegeta. Piccolo was too powerful to be controlled in Hell and Goku didn't care about slipping into obscurity. In fact, they used it to their advantage in the Budokai during the Boo arc. Vegeta might actually still care about wandering the universe looking for strong opponents but is bound by honor to deny himself that pleasure.

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 3:47 am

Yamcha.

He overcomes his fear of girls, gets the girl of his dreams...

...only to spend years in a relationship just to have her run off and sleep with the guy that killed him.

I mean, everyone else more or less gets what they want.

He gets to live his life, well, more or less alone. And I doubt he really WANTS to, like Piccolo or Tenshinhan would.

Piccolo didn't seem too bummed about Hell, more "slightly annoyed". And I genuinely believe Goku will pull some cosmic strings.

Vegeta hasn't been in space for two arcs now. He's kind of settled into earth, and I think he's really come to love and appreciate his family. I doubt he'd want to go on an outer space killing spree anymore.

Goku seemed fine with his fate when he got it. He seemed to "understand" and appreciate it, so I'm sure he's going to be fine.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 3:53 am

If we're NOT including GT, I'd say Chi-Chi got a pretty raw deal what with Goku ditching his family at the end of Z. I wanted to see her run after him, knock some sense into his head, and drag him back home so badly! TT_TT
(I <3 ya, Goku, but...dumb move. REALLY dumb move. >_O )
But Neko Majin Z has its "Goku DOES train Uub...but at the Son home instead of leaving to live at Uub's house" thing going on, and with that I am satisfied.

But, if we ARE including GT, here I go:

Well, Piccolo can always escape hell; I have no doubt in my mind that Gohan would get Kaio-sama to help him explain to Enma the real reason behind Piccolo acting "evil" to get thrown down there. So I don't think he'll be there forever.

Vegeta; well if you include the information from the Super Exciting Guide, if he dies of old age he'll have to experience that "could-potentially-make-a-killer-horror-fic" super-fast aging thing that happens once he hits a certain point. Aging rapidly sounds really scary. But then he may not even get that old; I read something a looong while back where Mr. Toriyama was asked which character did he think would die first, and he said Vegeta would because of a stress-related health issue. (Which is fairly believable coupled with the rapid-aging thing. And its Vegeta; like hell he'd NOT over-work himself when training despite the rapid-aging. *Shakes her head in dismay at Vegeta* )

Goku; his fate sounds truly depressing and sad. I mean, he might still be okay, because he's Goku and its not like he can't teleport to the afterlife and see everyone when he wants, but...if he's tied to Shenlong forever..well that probably messes things up for him quite a bit. I mean, Shenlong is connected to Dende; if Dende doesn't pass on the dragon balls at some point to another person, what would happen to Goku when Dende dies? Is he "fused" to Shenlong? Or would he be freed of whatever bond was formed there?

SuperSaiyan3Goku · Post by **SuperSaiyan3Goku** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:02 am

I think that Goku has the worst fate. Immorality's a bitch.

It's the same as Garlic Jr. (I know, it's Filler, but deal with me) Garlic Jr. was a greedy little bastard, so he wished that Shenlong would give him eternal life, so he would never die. With Goku, he just "became" immortal at the end of GT when he "absorbed" the Dragonballs and left with Shenlong, wherever the hell thay went.

If Goku did become Immortal, it would of been perfect, he would never die in battle, and his friends and family would never have to worry if anything happened to him. But there is a downside to this though, all of Goku's friends would eventually pass on due to old age, and Goku would be left to wander the universe, alone. That just seems like such a sad ending for the most powerful fighter in the Universe.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:11 am

Oh! I thought I was just choosing from the three mentioned in the opening post! Well, in that case, I'll have to say that I agree that Yamcha got shafted the most. He was always used as a measuring stick to show how unbelievably powerful and/or ruthless someone else was.

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 8:25 am

Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:...only to spend years in a relationship just to have her run off and sleep with the guy that killed him.

I've never got this. All through Namek and in most of the discussions here, Vegeta is cited as being responsible for all of the heroes' deaths, when he never really killed any of them. Sure, in a really roundabout way, he is (telling Nappa to plant the Saibaiman seeds, telling him to killl them all, etc.), but in the most direct way, a Saibaiman killed Yamcha, and Nappa did the rest.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:44 am

The Tori-bot wrote:
Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:...only to spend years in a relationship just to have her run off and sleep with the guy that killed him.
I've never got this. All through Namek and in most of the discussions here, Vegeta is cited as being responsible for all of the heroes' deaths, when he never really killed any of them. Sure, in a really roundabout way, he is (telling Nappa to plant the Saibaiman seeds, telling him to killl them all, etc.), but in the most direct way, a Saibaiman killed Yamcha, and Nappa did the rest.

If you look at it that way, then none of the world’s villains cannot be blamed for their actions, from Al Capone to everyone’s favorite person that they love to compare Vegeta to i.e. Hitler. I see what you are saying but the above is what you most likely will get as a reply.

On Topic:

I would have to say that Vegeta’s fate was the worst for someone with his mentality. He took pride in his strength and abilities as a warrior but have to rot away living a peaceful existence or even worse die from high blood pressure. Kakarrot got the sweetest deal as usual by potentially being immortal and could remain young and train and probably fight for eternity.

TrunksTrevelyan0064 · Post by **TrunksTrevelyan0064** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:11 am

The Tori-bot wrote:
Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:...only to spend years in a relationship just to have her run off and sleep with the guy that killed him.
I've never got this. All through Namek and in most of the discussions here, Vegeta is cited as being responsible for all of the heroes' deaths, when he never really killed any of them. Sure, in a really roundabout way, he is (telling Nappa to plant the Saibaiman seeds, telling him to killl them all, etc.), but in the most direct way, a Saibaiman killed Yamcha, and Nappa did the rest.

And that's not even completely accurate. Nappa only killed Piccolo; Chiaotzu and Tenshinhan technically killed themselves.

As for who got the worst fate? Hmm, out of those three I'd say Piccolo or Vegeta. Wouldn't an immortal Goku still be able to travel to the afterlife and meet his deceased loved ones there?

Travis Touchdown · Post by **Travis Touchdown** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:33 am

I'd say Chi Chi has the worst fate. She loves Goku completely, despite how thoughtless he can be at times, and at the end of Z he leaves her to go train Oob.

Granted, in Neko Majin Z, it shows Goku training Oob at his house, and in GT they're up on Dende's Lookout. So I like to think Goku spent a year at Oob's, surprised everyone and spent a year at home, and then finished Oob's training with 3 years at the Lookout. (Which, now that I think about it, could make total sense. Oob could've been distracted by his family, so Goku took him home, only to find himself distracted by his family, so he goes to the Lookout which is free of distractions...)

But then in GT, she doesn't understand Goku's goodbye was really farewell, and went home to excitedly make Goku something great for dinner. She lived her life and died alone wondering where Goku went and why he never came back.

Even Chi Chi's Future counterpart has it rough. She had to watch Goku wither away and die a slow and painful death and then shortly thereafter, the androids destroyed everything, leaving Earth a fearful place to live. Her baby boy insists on stepping up to the challenge like his dad, putting himself in great danger. She makes a comment on not knowing what she'd do if she lost Gohan, as he was all she had left, and ultimately she lost him.

My runner up for worst fate is Future Gohan. Gohan lost his father to natural causes early in his life. He had to watch his father, whom he loved so much, and the strongest guy he knows, whither away and die to a heart virus. And no more than a few months to a year later, a new danger more powerful than Frieza shows up to claim everyone else he's cared about except for his mother and grandpa.

He trains really hard to try and be like his dad, but his training was incomplete and he had to figure out the rest on his own from the tender age of 9 or 10. Granted, he became very powerful, but he still wasn't enough and ultimately was killed.

But yeah. #1 Worst Fate goes to Chi Chi/Future Chi Chi. Both had terrible endings no matter where you look. Runner-up goes to Future Gohan.

EDIT: I think Goku being immortal would make him happy. Sure he watches everyone die of old age from afar, but I'm sure, being the universe's ultimate protector, he could convince Enma to let his family and loved ones keep their bodies and at their prime even, and of course let them all into Heaven. Then he knows they're in paradise where presumably nothing can ever hurt them again. And with his teleportation ability, he can visit them whenever he wants.

B · Post by B » Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:18 pm

Mai. A beautiful woman who somehow got on the wrong path, working for a guy who couldn't take over a Pizza Hut, and eventually, ended up looking like this, with nothing to show for it.

DragonBalllKaiHD · Post by **DragonBalllKaiHD** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:40 pm

SuperSaiyan3Goku wrote:I think that Goku has the worst fate. Immorality's a bitch.

It's the same as Garlic Jr. (I know, it's Filler, but deal with me) Garlic Jr. was a greedy little bastard, so he wished that Shenlong would give him eternal life, so he would never die. With Goku, he just "became" immortal at the end of GT when he "absorbed" the Dragonballs and left with Shenlong, wherever the hell thay went.

If Goku did become Immortal, it would of been perfect, he would never die in battle, and his friends and family would never have to worry if anything happened to him. But there is a downside to this though, all of Goku's friends would eventually pass on due to old age, and Goku would be left to wander the universe, alone. That just seems like such a sad ending for the most powerful fighter in the Universe.

You forgot one most important place. Afterlife.... Can't Goku visit his friends there?

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 3:45 pm

Chuquita wrote:If we're NOT including GT, I'd say Chi-Chi got a pretty raw deal what with Goku ditching his family at the end of Z. I wanted to see her run after him, knock some sense into his head, and drag him back home so badly! TT_TT

Remember, Goku did that in GT, too. I actually think it was worst in GT because Chi-Chi saying "Are you gonna be home for dinner?" to him implies that she was expecting him to come back...

....

...he doesn't. :p

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:27 pm

Big Momma wrote:
Chuquita wrote:If we're NOT including GT, I'd say Chi-Chi got a pretty raw deal what with Goku ditching his family at the end of Z. I wanted to see her run after him, knock some sense into his head, and drag him back home so badly! TT_TT
Remember, Goku did that in GT, too. I actually think it was worst in GT because Chi-Chi saying "Are you gonna be home for dinner?" to him implies that she was expecting him to come back...

....

...he doesn't. :p

Forgot about that.
That's so awful. TT_TT Probably even worse because at least with Z she could have Gohan and Goten track him down at Uub's; with GT he's just...gone to some mystical place where Shenlong lives.

Would it have been that hard for Toei and Mr. Toriyama to have given the main character a happily ever after with his family?

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:00 pm

Chuquita wrote:But Neko Majin Z has its "Goku DOES train Uub...but at the Son home instead of leaving to live at Uub's house" thing going on, and with that I am satisfied.

Yeah, I liked that ending too... I'd take that as a canon ending over GT any day.

Another possible future from there could be Oob and Pan marrying and having a child named Goku. :3

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:18 pm

The Time Traveller wrote:Another possible future from there could be Oob and Pan marrying and having a child named Goku. :3

Yes, let's just hit all the cliches.

I actually like how Vegeta ended up. Of course, they had to stop the series there, because allowing Vegeta to be the protector of Earth would've given all of Toei heart attacks.

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:19 pm

Rocketman wrote:
The Time Traveller wrote:Another possible future from there could be Oob and Pan marrying and having a child named Goku. :3
Yes, let's just hit all the cliches.

That's the point.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:26 pm

Future Chi-Chi. She lost everyone she cared about.

SaiyanBlood · Post by **SaiyanBlood** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:01 am

I don't think Goku could have seen his friends in the afterlife, guys.

I mean, if he could then why would Vegeta and Pan act the way they had when they realised that Goku wasn't coming back? Goku's left them too many times for them to even be surprised, and let's face it, Vegeta was already growing old. If the prince knew he was going to meet Goku in the afterlife he wouldn't be strcken at all.

My opinion is that Goku cannot get into contact with anyone from his past or future, except on certain occasions, and the afterlife isn't one of them.

That's the whole point of his fate, isn't it? Immortality, with the consequence of total seclusion from the revolving world, like a prisoner on the outside, only able to look in. Unnconnected. Unbonded. Unreal.

Anyone agree? Anyone dis- agree?

I'm new here, by the way

SaiyanBlood · Post by **SaiyanBlood** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:11 am

I'm keeping track, guys.
So far, the votes of the characters with the worst fates goes as follows:
Goku : 2
Vegeta: 3
Piccolo : 1
Chi chi: 2
Yamcha: 3
Mai : 1

Current winner: Vegeta, Yamcha

I'll keep track, so keep answering

Everything you see in blue in this topic is the tracker sign from SaiyanBlood.

I'm new here, by the way