Do you take GT as canon?

ssjcj · Post by **ssjcj** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:51 pm

When I talk to fans about DragonBall, I find that many don't take GT as canon because of the fact that Toriyama didn't make it or that they didn't like the way the story line turned out.

Personally, I have always seen GT as an alternate timeline because I believe that it could have been done better. My reason in posting is simply to find out what the DaizEX community see GT as.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:03 pm

To me GT is canon and it ends the story in a far better many than Z ever did. However, when it comes to the issue of canon there is no official one. Many usually choose the bits and pieces they prefer anyway.

The Galactic Tyrant · Post by **The Galactic Tyrant** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:41 pm

I'd like to think that GT is more of a fans interpretation of a sequel than an official sequel to DBZ.

Look at it this way if a fan handed out scripts or a workprint of GT just when DBZ ended nobody would have taken him seriously.

But for what it is i like it.

B · Post by B » Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:45 pm

GT might as well have been a fan series; it's a sequel of an adaptation of a comic book.

But no, I treat it as it's own separate thing. I don't consider it when trying to answer plotholes within the series.

RoarkVegeta · Post by **RoarkVegeta** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:56 pm

Sometimes.

Oolong215 · Post by **Oolong215** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:57 pm

I don't consider GT to be canon, but I also don't consider anyt of the filler in DB and DBZ canon. If it didn't happen in the manga. it did't happen at all for me.

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:06 pm

VenomSymbiote · Post by **VenomSymbiote** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:23 pm

Simply put, yes I do. Why? Well, why not?

All it does is add to my fandom. Why would I want to take that away by considering it non-canon?

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:29 pm

Outside of character appearances in video games (like SSj4 Goku in Budokai 3), I really don't care about GT and mostly stick to the manga. As GT isn't a part of the manga, I don't consider it canon.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:50 pm

Simply put,no.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:27 pm

I don't call things canon or not canon without context, really. Obviously GT isn't canon to the manga -- things revealed in GT don't have any bearing on what Toriyama wrote. If GT says or implies that SSJ4 is the legendary Super Saiyajin, that doesn't mean it's true in the manga. And that sort of thing is the only time I think deciding what is canon to something else is important.

In my opinion, deciding what is canon and what isn't only serves a purpose when you're, say, telling a writer what to consider 'fact' within the fiction and what not to. Paramount has an official canon policy of their own to make sure their writers don't include information from most of the thousands of Star Trek novels in their movies or TV series', and in theory it also lets fans say, "well even though this novel says this, it might not have happened that way in the TV series universe."

So I don't consider GT canon when talking about the manga, or about what Toriyama had in mind when writing something. But that doesn't mean I dislike GT. I guess like other people I look at it just like I look at filler and movies.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:33 pm

For serious debates in various online communities, no. GT falls into the same "canon" as the movies, filler, non-series specials, and anything else not directly from the manga.

For anything and everything else, sure.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:47 pm

Sometimes. Depends on what level of canon.

VenomSymbiote · Post by **VenomSymbiote** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:49 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:For serious debates in various online communities, no. GT falls into the same "canon" as the movies, filler, non-series specials, and anything else not directly from the manga.

For anything and everything else, sure.

I agree with this 100%.

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:51 pm

I consider the manga and anime to be two different entities.

GT is canon to the anime along with all the filler, TV specials, and the first DBZ movie. However the only thing canon to the manga is the manga itself.

Dr. Casey · Post by **Dr. Casey** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:12 pm

Nope, I don't consider Dragon Ball GT canon. Nothing personal against the series, I just think it's only respectful that the main author of a story should be in total charge of his or her own creation, and despite whatever character designs or random concepts Akira Toriyama might have contributed, GT was by and large very much TOEI's brain child. Maybe I'm just possessive. Back in elementary school, I tended to get people annoyed at me because I'd always say no when they offered to co-write stories with me. *shrugs*

I do find it funny whenever people consider "not canon" to be an automatic insult, though. I love almost every filler or non-canon episode in the history of Dragon Ball. The training for the 22nd and 23rd Budokais are full of about as much campy 80s fun as you can get, the training for the Saiyan battle is one of my absolute favorite segments in the series, that episode in the Buu arc where the secondary characters search for the Dragon Balls is one that I never get tired of, and for Dragon Ball GT's part, it does an admirable job of bringing life to a series that was very hard to continue from (Due both to its longetivity and the fact that the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai was clearly supposed to be an ending point, with the characters so tired and washed out they're borderline zombies - if DBGT had centered around the group searching the Dragon World looking for brains to eat, it would have been a very logical continuation). I just think it's polite for the power to officially rest with the creator. Otherwise I do what the professor suggested and make my own canon based on what I want and don't want in the story.

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:15 pm

Rod · Post by **Rod** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:25 pm

Not even in the slightest, nor do I consider canon fillers, movies, games, etc.

The only thing which I could consider canon that isn't in the manga is the Jump Special, because it was written by Toriyama and of course interviews with him

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:36 pm

Rod · Post by **Rod** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:49 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote:
Rod wrote:Not even in the slightest, nor do I consider canon fillers, movies, games, etc.

The only thing which I could consider canon that isn't in the manga is the Jump Special, because it was written by Toriyama and of course interviews with him
What about other bits of filler that Toriyama DID indeed help write himself, like the Tsufuru backhistory with the Saiya-jin? If your one and only stipulation for canonicity is that it's material written by Toriyama, then it seems contradictory to just cherry pick which bits of Toriyama-written anime material fit the bill based on which ones you like better.

It depends, most of the times I do, but most of the times I forget about them because I don't usually watch the anime, but I don't got any real problem with that filler, usually I put next to the Jump special; a little lower than the manga