Episode #0180 (21 June 2009)

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Post by VegettoEX » Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:18 pm

KaiserNeko wrote:True, but it's hard for us to tell them to buy mics for our production.
I don't buy that for a second.

It shows in the final product. If you don't want it reflecting poorly on you, you demand that higher-quality equipment be used, or those individuals are not used in the show. Period.

Thus my ban of Herms from our podcast until he got a better mic. Which he did :P.
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Post by KaiserNeko » Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:22 pm

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KaiserNeko wrote:True, but it's hard for us to tell them to buy mics for our production.
I don't buy that for a second.

It shows in the final product. If you don't want it reflecting poorly on you, you demand that higher-quality equipment be used, or those individuals are not used in the show. Period.

Thus my ban of Herms from our podcast until he got a better mic. Which he did :P.
Well, Megami and Whiteash are our friends first and we wouldn't want to go about giving them such a stern ultimatum. Furthermore, do you know how hard it is to find decent amateur female VAs?
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Post by Innagadadavida » Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:28 pm

KaiserNeko wrote:Well, Megami and Whiteash are our friends first and we wouldn't want to go about giving them such a stern ultimatum. Furthermore, do you know how hard it is to find decent amateur female VAs?
AINT IT THE TROOF!

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Post by VegettoEX » Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:31 pm

KaiserNeko wrote:Well, Megami and Whiteash are our friends first and we wouldn't want to go about giving them such a stern ultimatum. Furthermore, do you know how hard it is to find decent amateur female VAs?
That's fine and dandy, but then you need to continue to expect the same types of criticisms going forward. All they hear is a shitty recording; they neither know (nor care) about who's friends with each other behind-the-scenes.

Shit, ask for $50 in donations and get someone a decent Shure mic. You have how many subscribers? Problem solved!
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Post by Innagadadavida » Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:56 pm

They're using copyrighted content, I don't think monetary donations will go over very well. However, an object as a donation, a gift, if you will, might not be as risky.

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Post by KaiserNeko » Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:09 pm

VegettoEX wrote:
KaiserNeko wrote:Well, Megami and Whiteash are our friends first and we wouldn't want to go about giving them such a stern ultimatum. Furthermore, do you know how hard it is to find decent amateur female VAs?
That's fine and dandy, but then you need to continue to expect the same types of criticisms going forward. All they hear is a shitty recording; they neither know (nor care) about who's friends with each other behind-the-scenes.

Shit, ask for $50 in donations and get someone a decent Shure mic. You have how many subscribers? Problem solved!
To geek out a little, you're like Piccolo as a teacher! xD
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Post by VegettoEX » Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:11 pm

KaiserNeko wrote:To geek out a little, you're like Piccolo as a teacher! xD
I bitch because I love.

Now drop and gimme fifty.
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Post by Kendamu » Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:17 pm

You should'a called him Vegeta instead. Then he would've taken you to the park afterwords.

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Post by Conan the SSJ » Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:06 pm

Currently listening, awesome ep. And I notice more cameos by the kitties' bells. :P
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Post by VegettoEX » Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:11 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:And I notice more cameos by the kitties' bells. :P
We've mostly given up on taking their collars off. They start out each episode asleep, so I assume they'll just keep their plopped-asses... well... plopped.

But no. RUN AROUND TIME.

There are actually many moments where I pause the recording, chase one (or both) into a room, and then come back :P.
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Post by JulieYBM » Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:41 pm

I demand an interview episode with the kitties. :x
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Post by Dogasu » Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:56 am

Kendamu wrote:You: "Got anything better than this?"
Me: "They have a bunch of episodes. Check 'em out and see for yourself."
You: "Well, just because they did good before doesn't mean that they should get a free pass when they do something I don't like! I can criticize them if I want and you shouldn't be calling me out on it like that."
Me: "Wait, what?"

See where things kinda got off track?
I think the problem here is that I read your post - the "There's about 179 other episodes you can get good examples of how they fill their time if you wanna take a look" thing - and *didn't* just take it at face value. To me, the implied meaning here was "Stop being so ungrateful. There's hundreds of hours worth of material out there. Quit your whining." And that's why I reacted the way I did.

Sorry if I thought you were trying to say something that you weren't. Sometimes it can be hard to tell what people mean when we're all talking to each other via text.
KaiserNeko wrote:All I can say is this: If you don't like our show, that's fine by us. If you wish our show was something else, that's fine by us. But, I personally find it very annoying when you complain about other people enjoying and celebrating our work.
I never said that they couldn't - or shouldn't - celebrate your work. I'm just saying that for a podcast that tries to be fair, this episode didn't really deliver.

I mean, look at the live action movie. The Daizenshuu EX guys could have filled their hour plus review of the film ranting about how absolutely horrible it is and how it'll ruin the franchise forever, but they didn't. They dug around and, eventually, came up with a number of positive things to say about the movie because to not do so would have been unfair.

I think the same thing can be applied here, only in reverse.
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Post by Captain Awesome » Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:46 am

KaiserNeko wrote: Sorry, but I have to talk about this.

Not a single joke? Really? Because, all things considered, 7-9 were ripe with a lot of similar humor to Episode 5. Sure, they were battle heavy episodes, so the humor was different in it's context, but I just refuse to believe you couldn't find those episodes funny if you enjoyed the first five.
I have a little bit of a problem with this.

I was giving my honest opinion, Yeah I do feel like you need to tighten up your scripts and editing, because you're sacrificing entertainment value for exposition, to the point where I feel like I'm watching the FUNimation dub at times, I don't think the episodes are by any means bad, I just feel like the jokes are spread a little thin for my tastes, and not as well thought out as they were in previous episodes.

But telling me you "refuse to believe" that I find something less enjoyable than your previous work comes off as a little arrogant, as an audience member either I find something funny or I don't, it's like people telling me I have to enjoy the latest Simpsons episode because I loved seasons 1-9, it doesn't really work that way.

Anyway, I think you are all really talented guys and will keep up with the show in the future, I just think you seem to be struggling a little to walk that fine line between comedy and drama that you had down so perfectly in the beginning.

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Post by SaiyamanMS » Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:48 am

KaiserNeko wrote:Furthermore, do you know how hard it is to find decent amateur female VAs?
Not just that, but reliable ones. My Misty and Jessie for my own Abridged series ("Pokémon: Gotta Watch it Y'all") kinda fell off the face of the Earth when I asked for stuff for episode 3, thus it's officially on hiatus.

The good part though is that as a result I've decided to go back and clean up the terrible quality of my previous recordings before recasting and rereleasing those episodes. The bad part being... It's on hiatus and I have no Misty or Jessie.

Anyway, I can honestly say that I loved DBZ Abridged. Although I have to agree that the Goku vs. Vegeta fight was a bit sparce on the jokes, but as someone who has single handedly been writing his own Abridged thing... I totally understand the situation of having to deal with the hand you're given and that sometimes it's impossible to write some funny into some parts while also being impossible to remove without losing important plot.

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Post by tlsmith1963 » Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:24 am

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Captain Awesome wrote:While I don't agree in terms of the podcast, I found it to be a great listen, I do kind of share your sentiments about the quality of DBZ Abridged, in my opinion they seem to have kind of lost the balance between comedy and narrative that they had down so perfectly for the first five or six episodes, I find the show enjoyable enough to continue to watch it, but I haven't laughed at a single joke since the Arlia episode (which was a fucking masterpiece).

Anyway, as negative as my comments are I am still looking forward to seeing what they do with the Namek and Freeza stuff.
Sorry, but I have to talk about this.

Not a single joke? Really? Because, all things considered, 7-9 were ripe with a lot of similar humor to Episode 5. Sure, they were battle heavy episodes, so the humor was different in it's context, but I just refuse to believe you couldn't find those episodes funny if you enjoyed the first five.
Dogasu wrote:Yes, you brought up the whole "sometimes it feels like I'm watching a straight-up dub" (which is something I, myself have had a major issue with), but it seemed more like a "I dig the show either way" thing than a "could you please add more of the funny?" thing.
All I can say is this: If you don't like our show, that's fine by us. If you wish our show was something else, that's fine by us. But, I personally find it very annoying when you complain about other people enjoying and celebrating our work.

The way we handle our show is the way we want to handle it. It's our show, it's our style, and we like what we have going. If we didn't feel like we were entertaining the people we *want* to entertain, we would consider doing things differently.
You have entertained me. I love the show. And this is just something you guys are doing for fun. I can't understand all the attacks.

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Post by VegettoEX » Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:30 am

tlsmith1963 wrote:I can't understand all the attacks.
There are no "attacks" that I've read in this thread at all.

Someone expressing their lack of enjoyment with something is not an "attack".
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Post by KaiserNeko » Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:47 am

Captain Awesome wrote:I have a little bit of a problem with this.

I was giving my honest opinion, Yeah I do feel like you need to tighten up your scripts and editing, because you're sacrificing entertainment value for exposition, to the point where I feel like I'm watching the FUNimation dub at times, I don't think the episodes are by any means bad, I just feel like the jokes are spread a little thin for my tastes, and not as well thought out as they were in previous episodes.

But telling me you "refuse to believe" that I find something less enjoyable than your previous work comes off as a little arrogant, as an audience member either I find something funny or I don't, it's like people telling me I have to enjoy the latest Simpsons episode because I loved seasons 1-9, it doesn't really work that way.

Anyway, I think you are all really talented guys and will keep up with the show in the future, I just think you seem to be struggling a little to walk that fine line between comedy and drama that you had down so perfectly in the beginning.
You're right, I had no place in saying that to you. I was very frustrated yesterday and that really effected my judgement on a lot of things. I apologize for calling you out like that, it wasn't mature or appropriate.
dogasu wrote:I never said that they couldn't - or shouldn't - celebrate your work. I'm just saying that for a podcast that tries to be fair, this episode didn't really deliver.

I mean, look at the live action movie. The Daizenshuu EX guys could have filled their hour plus review of the film ranting about how absolutely horrible it is and how it'll ruin the franchise forever, but they didn't. They dug around and, eventually, came up with a number of positive things to say about the movie because to not do so would have been unfair.

I think the same thing can be applied here, only in reverse.
I realized what you were saying not too long after I'd responded to it and Chances are, Mike and Meri have some issues with the show. Sorry about that.

But would you really bring up issues with someone while interviewing them unless they were relatively big complaints? Maybe they just didn't have any or they didn't think about it at the time? Is it necessary to bring them up?

Mike and Meri have always been honest and open, I don't think there was an issue with that here.

Also, if you were distinctly unsatisfied with that amount of material besides the interview, I still don't think you should be criticizing them. They cover what they want to cover, period. It's their show.
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Post by tlsmith1963 » Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:02 pm

VegettoEX wrote:
tlsmith1963 wrote:I can't understand all the attacks.
There are no "attacks" that I've read in this thread at all.

Someone expressing their lack of enjoyment with something is not an "attack".
Yeah, maybe that was a little strong. Sorry about that.

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Post by Kendamu » Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:46 pm

Dogasu wrote:
Kendamu wrote:You: "Got anything better than this?"
Me: "They have a bunch of episodes. Check 'em out and see for yourself."
You: "Well, just because they did good before doesn't mean that they should get a free pass when they do something I don't like! I can criticize them if I want and you shouldn't be calling me out on it like that."
Me: "Wait, what?"

See where things kinda got off track?
I think the problem here is that I read your post - the "There's about 179 other episodes you can get good examples of how they fill their time if you wanna take a look" thing - and *didn't* just take it at face value. To me, the implied meaning here was "Stop being so ungrateful. There's hundreds of hours worth of material out there. Quit your whining." And that's why I reacted the way I did.

Sorry if I thought you were trying to say something that you weren't. Sometimes it can be hard to tell what people mean when we're all talking to each other via text.
No problem. I figured it was some kinda misunderstanding. That's why I clarified. It's all gravy over here! :D

Oh, and KaiserNeko, you and your crew keep up the good work! Everyone I know in person who watches this series and I find it to be great work! I even have downloaded copies of the YouTube videos on an external hard drive so I can watch them through my PS3 on my HDTV.

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Post by MajinVejitaXV » Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:29 pm

Kendamu wrote:I even have downloaded copies of the YouTube videos on an external hard drive so I can watch them through my PS3 on my HDTV.
Which is painful, btw ;p

Any chance we can get a torrent of the original DVD resolution files if possible? I know I have some higher quality AVI's that are probably the resolution of the files upped to YouTube, but better files would be nice (unless, of course, you do the actual editing and such in 576x320) ;)

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