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Journey to the West, chapter 26 wrote:The strong man will meet someone stronger still:
Come to naught at last he surely will!
Zephyr wrote:And that's to say nothing of how pretty much impossible it is to capture what made the original run of the series so great. I'm in the generation of fans that started with Toonami, so I totally empathize with the feeling of having "missed the party", experiencing disappointment, and wanting to experience it myself. But I can't, that's how life is. Time is a bitch. The party is over. Kageyama, Kikuchi, and Maeda are off the sauce now; Yanami almost OD'd; Yamamoto got arrested; Toriyama's not going to light trash cans on fire and hang from the chandelier anymore. We can't get the band back together, and even if we could, everyone's either old, in poor health, or calmed way the fuck down. Best we're going to get, and are getting, is a party that's almost entirely devoid of the magic that made the original one so awesome that we even want more.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:It grinds my gears that people get "outraged" over any of this stuff. It's a fucking cartoon. If you are that determined to be angry about something, get off the internet and make a stand for something that actually matters.
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Post by Raki » Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:04 pm

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Thanos6 wrote:I'd heard about the tomato juice bit, but that was in the "uncut" as well? I thought that was just for the TV edit...
Nah, thankfully that left the scene untouched and in full on the uncut DVDs. So yeah, the tomato juice thing was only for the TV edit/Cartoon Network.
Yeah, except we just found out that they didn't leave it untouched on the DVD either.
It's on the DVD. I viewed it myself.
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Post by ChibiGoku » Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:05 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote:
Innagadadavida wrote:Yeah, except we just found out that they didn't leave it untouched on the DVD either.
How so?
I remember awhile back on the AnimeonDVD forums, there was some question as to whether or not FUNimation had removed the couple frames of Bulma's exposed breasts. Although I've been told recently it was left intact, I never saw any proof of such. But the removal of those few frames are very unlikely.

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Post by Innagadadavida » Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:09 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote:
Innagadadavida wrote:Yeah, except we just found out that they didn't leave it untouched on the DVD either.
How so?
Well, maybe I just missed it. Although, I find it unlikely that I missed seeing Bulma's tits. I can't prove it one way or another though. :?

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Journey to the West, chapter 26 wrote:The strong man will meet someone stronger still:
Come to naught at last he surely will!
Zephyr wrote:And that's to say nothing of how pretty much impossible it is to capture what made the original run of the series so great. I'm in the generation of fans that started with Toonami, so I totally empathize with the feeling of having "missed the party", experiencing disappointment, and wanting to experience it myself. But I can't, that's how life is. Time is a bitch. The party is over. Kageyama, Kikuchi, and Maeda are off the sauce now; Yanami almost OD'd; Yamamoto got arrested; Toriyama's not going to light trash cans on fire and hang from the chandelier anymore. We can't get the band back together, and even if we could, everyone's either old, in poor health, or calmed way the fuck down. Best we're going to get, and are getting, is a party that's almost entirely devoid of the magic that made the original one so awesome that we even want more.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:It grinds my gears that people get "outraged" over any of this stuff. It's a fucking cartoon. If you are that determined to be angry about something, get off the internet and make a stand for something that actually matters.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.

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Post by Raki » Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:32 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:
Kunzait_83 wrote:
Innagadadavida wrote:Yeah, except we just found out that they didn't leave it untouched on the DVD either.
How so?
Well, maybe I just missed it. Although, I find it unlikely that I missed seeing Bulma's tits. I can't prove it one way or another though. :?
It's because it was only like two or 3 frames. It went very fast.
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Post by Kendamu » Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:34 pm

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Kunzait_83 wrote:
Innagadadavida wrote:Yeah, except we just found out that they didn't leave it untouched on the DVD either.
How so?
I remember awhile back on the AnimeonDVD forums, there was some question as to whether or not FUNimation had removed the couple frames of Bulma's exposed breasts. Although I've been told recently it was left intact, I never saw any proof of such. But the removal of those few frames are very unlikely.
EDIT: Looks like I was too slow in making this reply. Oh well!

I always find it funny that Bulma's boobs are the biggest driving factor and most often thought-of subject when it comes to uncensored Dragonball. Yesh, I know. "Artistic integrity" and "intended viewing" and all of that stuff. It has nothing to do with the fact that over 90% of us are guys in the age range of 14 to 30, right? Right? :lol:

Anywho, I'm pretty sure that even in the original Japanese version they cut the actual amount of time short as to not have boobs hanging out for the specific purpose of having a pervert see them on a kids' show. Yeah, it's Japan, but the nudity in that sense was kinda sexual considering why Krillin pulled her top down. I mean, even the anime scene of Bulma showering when Yamcha was spying on them has some clever ways of covering up her under-aged assets.

If you wanna look at the scene frame-by-frame just to see some Bulma boobs, be my guest. But, you're going to have a much easier time if you just read the manga. Once you find what volumes you're looking for, Amazon Japan's selling the Tankoubon for like $5 a volume.

So, don't worry. You can sleep well knowing that Toriyama's artistic integrity is intact because that's what's important, right? Because this has absolutely nothing to do with guys getting to see Bulma's boobs. :wink:

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Yeah, I know. You actually do care about artistic integrity. I would think you're all just perverts, but this community also threw a shit-fit when baby Goku's penis wasn't in Dragonball Kai. I'm pretty sure that doesn't arouse the people here.

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Post by omegacwa » Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:39 pm

Since we are on the topic of Bulma's boobs, I was wondering about a certain clip. In a AMV made by Rocketman, there is a clip of Bulma dressed in the bunny outfit exposing her breasts to the camera in a front shot. Now I don't recall this ever happening. In the Manga it's a side shot, and in my MadMan set it is also a side shot, so where the hell is this clip from?

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Journey to the West, chapter 26 wrote:The strong man will meet someone stronger still:
Come to naught at last he surely will!
Zephyr wrote:And that's to say nothing of how pretty much impossible it is to capture what made the original run of the series so great. I'm in the generation of fans that started with Toonami, so I totally empathize with the feeling of having "missed the party", experiencing disappointment, and wanting to experience it myself. But I can't, that's how life is. Time is a bitch. The party is over. Kageyama, Kikuchi, and Maeda are off the sauce now; Yanami almost OD'd; Yamamoto got arrested; Toriyama's not going to light trash cans on fire and hang from the chandelier anymore. We can't get the band back together, and even if we could, everyone's either old, in poor health, or calmed way the fuck down. Best we're going to get, and are getting, is a party that's almost entirely devoid of the magic that made the original one so awesome that we even want more.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:It grinds my gears that people get "outraged" over any of this stuff. It's a fucking cartoon. If you are that determined to be angry about something, get off the internet and make a stand for something that actually matters.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.

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Post by Kendamu » Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:46 pm

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Kendamu wrote:I always find it funny that Bulma's boobs are the biggest driving factor and most often thought-of subject when it comes to uncensored Dragonball. Yesh, I know. "Artistic integrity" and "intended viewing" and all of that stuff. It has nothing to do with the fact that over 90% of us are guys in the age range of 14 to 30, right? Right? :lol:

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So, don't worry. You can sleep well knowing that Toriyama's artistic integrity is intact because that's what's important, right? Because this has absolutely nothing to do with guys getting to see Bulma's boobs. :wink:
For the record, I only threw up the screencaps to show that the DVDs really ARE fully unedited, since I hapened to have them on hand, and everyone else seemed to be kinda like "well MAYBE they're uncut but we have no way of knowing for sure".
There's small text at the bottom of my post clarifying that I didn't really think that we were just a bunch of perverts. I just didn't wanna ruin the mood of, and the joke behind, my post. It's right under where I, too, posted pictures of Bulma's boobs.

Don't worry. I was just messing around when I was calling us all perverts. To bring up my small text point, if we really were just horny kids wanting to see cartoon boobs then this community wouldn't have had a nerd rage over baby Goku's penis not being in Kai.

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Post by MagicBox » Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:52 pm

Kendamu wrote:I always find it funny that Bulma's boobs are the biggest driving factor and most often thought-of subject when it comes to uncensored Dragonball. Yesh, I know. "Artistic integrity" and "intended viewing" and all of that stuff. It has nothing to do with the fact that over 90% of us are guys in the age range of 14 to 30, right? Right? :lol:
While I certainly don't support censored manga, I pretty much don't care about Bulma's boobs in any scene other than this one. I'm pretty indifferent on that matter, even if I would rather have the material uncensored. The only reason we need them here is because, when you watch the fight, this bit of frontal nudity is really the only way Yamcha defeats the Invisible Man, so it's kind of an important plot point. But I realize your post was a joke, so yeah.

But I don't want to hijack this thread and turn it into a topic where we all justify why we each think Bulma's boobs are important, so I'll get back to the topic of the sets. :wink:

Wait, so the DVD was never edited in the first place? FUNi cutting the few frames from the episode was a lie? Haha, I always love the mini-debates that take place in the season set threads where we think something's wrong but it turns out to be fine, just the result of us not knowing the full story on something. First the controversy about the GT eyecatchers being cut, and then this, both the result of us all jumping to conclusions.

Conspiracy theories FTW.
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Journey to the West, chapter 26 wrote:The strong man will meet someone stronger still:
Come to naught at last he surely will!
Zephyr wrote:And that's to say nothing of how pretty much impossible it is to capture what made the original run of the series so great. I'm in the generation of fans that started with Toonami, so I totally empathize with the feeling of having "missed the party", experiencing disappointment, and wanting to experience it myself. But I can't, that's how life is. Time is a bitch. The party is over. Kageyama, Kikuchi, and Maeda are off the sauce now; Yanami almost OD'd; Yamamoto got arrested; Toriyama's not going to light trash cans on fire and hang from the chandelier anymore. We can't get the band back together, and even if we could, everyone's either old, in poor health, or calmed way the fuck down. Best we're going to get, and are getting, is a party that's almost entirely devoid of the magic that made the original one so awesome that we even want more.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:It grinds my gears that people get "outraged" over any of this stuff. It's a fucking cartoon. If you are that determined to be angry about something, get off the internet and make a stand for something that actually matters.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.

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Post by Big Momma » Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:54 pm

Besides, this is the internet. If you don't get Bulma's boobs on the sets, I'm pretty sure they'll be easy to find elsewhere.
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Post by Kendamu » Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:07 pm

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Kendamu wrote:I always find it funny that Bulma's boobs are the biggest driving factor and most often thought-of subject when it comes to uncensored Dragonball. Yesh, I know. "Artistic integrity" and "intended viewing" and all of that stuff. It has nothing to do with the fact that over 90% of us are guys in the age range of 14 to 30, right? Right? :lol:
While I certainly don't support censored manga, I pretty much don't care about Bulma's boobs in any scene other than this one. I'm pretty indifferent on that matter, even if I would rather have the material uncensored. The only reason we need them here is because, when you watch the fight, this bit of frontal nudity is really the only way Yamcha defeats the Invisible Man, so it's kind of an important plot point. But I realize your post was a joke, so yeah.

But I don't want to hijack this thread and turn it into a topic where we all justify why we each think Bulma's boobs are important, so I'll get back to the topic of the sets. :wink:

Wait, so the DVD was never edited in the first place? FUNi cutting the few frames from the episode was a lie? Haha, I always love the mini-debates that take place in the season set threads where we think something's wrong but it turns out to be fine, just the result of us not knowing the full story on something. First the controversy about the GT eyecatchers being cut, and then this, both the result of us all jumping to conclusions.

Conspiracy theories FTW.
Again, I was just messing around when I was calling us all perverts. To bring up my small text point, if we really were just horny kids wanting to see cartoon boobs then this community wouldn't have had a nerd rage over baby Goku's penis not being in Kai. :lol:

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Post by MagicBox » Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:27 pm

That's why I said "But I realize your post was a joke, so yeah." :wink: S'cool. I knew you were just funnin'.

So anyway, as talk of these is spreading, a lot of fans are talking about how they want extras on this release. Old commercials, commentaries, whatever. Some people on another forum are thinking about maybe asking FUNi for some on the Blog. So if you guys want extras, this might be a good thing to try out. It'd certainly be a good thing to do if we want to make sure FUNi knows about the other versions of the opening and ending, in addition to the fact that none of us want it cropped.

If we get a decent number of people doing that, it might actually work. Probably not for season one since that's likely already being worked on, but we might be able to get something for the remaining seasons if we try.
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Post by RoarkVegeta » Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:04 pm

Woops.. My girlfriend walked in my room when I was lookin' at the Bulma boobs. >w>

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Post by Metalwario64 » Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:14 pm

omegacwa wrote:Since we are on the topic of Bulma's boobs, I was wondering about a certain clip. In a AMV made by Rocketman, there is a clip of Bulma dressed in the bunny outfit exposing her breasts to the camera in a front shot. Now I don't recall this ever happening. In the Manga it's a side shot, and in my MadMan set it is also a side shot, so where the hell is this clip from?
Probably just some random hentai animation or something of the sort...

Also I didn't realize that people thought FUNimation censored this scene on their uncut releases.
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Post by DragonBalllKaiHD » Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:05 pm

Wikipedia wrote:Funimation plans on releasing box sets of Dragon Ball when Lionsgate's license of the first movie and 13 episodes expires in 2009. On September 15, 2009, Dragon Ball Season 1 will be released. This will be the first time the Emperor Pilaf Saga(aka Saga of Goku) will be released uncut in North America. Though it is unknown how the Dragon Ball movies will be released, but most likely they will be released the same as the Dragon Ball Z movies.
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Post by Raki » Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:15 pm

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:
Wikipedia wrote:Funimation plans on releasing box sets of Dragon Ball when Lionsgate's license of the first movie and 13 episodes expires in 2009. On September 15, 2009, Dragon Ball Season 1 will be released. This will be the first time the Emperor Pilaf Saga(aka Saga of Goku) will be released uncut in North America. Though it is unknown how the Dragon Ball movies will be released, but most likely they will be released the same as the Dragon Ball Z movies.
Nice to see somebody changed that. Before it was just baseless guessing.
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Post by Smooth Criminal » Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:46 pm

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