English Dragon Box Release

Chrome · Post by **Chrome** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:03 pm

While I actually find Faulconer's Score somewhat decent, even quite good at times myself, I have no real problem if they don't include it. There is already an adequate version with the music available via the bricks. I do think this release is aimed more squarely at more "hardcore" Japanese fans, and I've no issue with that. It's only fair they get something just for them.

Then again, I like both the English and Japanese versions of Dragonball Z with both the Kikuchi score and Faulconer Productions score, and am happy with a release of any of them, so I suppose my opinion isn't quite as strong as many people's on this forum.

I just can't see many dub-fans being desperate for a 4:3 release with FUNi music though, so I wouldn't think FUNimation would go to the effort - especially at risk of reducing video quality and upsetting the very fans they're trying to please. That said however, I don't think they should be berated or put-down for wanting it. If it's what they grew up with (like I did) then of course it's gonna have meaning to them despite how "crappy" some people may find it.

B · Post by B » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:06 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:Boy I tell you what that dub sure does suck. It makes the whole series look like one big joke. I mean, you have a big fat pink monster fighting a monkey man with hair the length of his body, sure, but it's those ONE LINERS that make everybody not take the show seriously. It sure pisses me off when those dub fans with their elongated brows and knuckles dragging on the floor, waltz in here and say that they want the show like they remember it with great video. Where do they get off? Who in their right mind would give those idiots what they want? It's us Japanese fans that deserve to get what we want. Let them have their 16:9 video, because clearly they all like their garbage like that.

I mean sure the dub introduced millions of people to a great series and provided a market here in the United States so that I can get cool merchandise and video games without having to import at ball-pinching prices, but honestly anybody who still likes it after watching the show in a language they don't understand is a fool with terrible taste.

Remember folks, I actually am a fan of the original Japanese version along with the dub. I'm pretty sick of this pointless arguing.

I know you're joking, but if you look at it from a completely unbiased view, it's a bad dub. Lines that don't need to be changed are changed for the sake of being changed. Names are changed for the sake of being changed. This has lead countless people to follow the dub to the letter, and basically dismiss something in the original that nullifies a dub change they hold dear to their hearts, for whatever personal reason they have for doing so. I enjoy the dub. I don't have any particular problem with Faulconer's score, sans arrangement; they're nice pieces f individual tracks. But, in terms of what a dub /should/ be, a piece of work that introduces the same concepts and invokes the same feeling the original version did, regardless of country of origin, Dragon Ball Z's English dub by FUNimation hardly passes. Being generous, it gets a C+.

I really couldn't care less if the Faulconer score is on these sets. Don't have a problem with it, don't ahve a hard-on for it. I prefer the original, but that's what the sound options are for.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:08 pm

Oh my god? Seriously? This again? We know it's a bad dub. Jesus Christ. I wasn't defending the quality of the dub! I was making fun of those who continue to talk about it when it's irrelevant to this discussion. Not only that but I was attempting to point out the hypocricy of people claiming the sets shouldn't cater to dub fans. How many times have they been left out in the dark? Now they want the other side to be left out? That's not right, it's immature. Like a little kid pushing another little kid in the sand because he fell down.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:14 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:Oh my god? Seriously? This again? We know it's a bad dub. Jesus Christ. I wasn't defending the quality of the dub! I was making fun of those who continue to talk about it when it's irrelevant to this discussion. Not only that but I was attempting to point out the hypocricy of people claiming the sets shouldn't cater to dub fans. How many times have they been left out in the dark? Now they want the other side to be left out? That's not right, it's immature. Like a little kid pushing another little kid in the sand because he fell down.

Please... Let's not get this thread locked too...

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:14 pm

Besides the average dub fan that visits here or on Funi's forum, do they actually care about 4:3 or any Dragonbox release?

B · Post by B » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:14 pm

I apologize for bringing up a dead(?) issue. I had read 27 pages of bullshit and was too fed up to see if things were resolved. It was an impulsive response, but I still stand by my opinion.

EDIT: So, what's exactly gonna be on these hard cover books, yo? I'm thinking maybe the history of the series when it first got started, even talking about the Ocean days.

Presc503 · Post by **Presc503** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:15 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:Oh my god? Seriously? This again? We know it's a bad dub. Jesus Christ. I wasn't defending the quality of the dub! I was making fun of those who continue to talk about it when it's irrelevant to this discussion. Not only that but I was attempting to point out the hypocricy of people claiming the sets shouldn't cater to dub fans. How many times have they been left out in the dark? Now they want the other side to be left out? That's not right, it's immature. Like a little kid pushing another little kid in the sand because he fell down.

That kid is a bad ass...like these releases.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:19 pm

Raki wrote:Besides the average dub fan that visits here or on Funi's forum, do they actually care about 4:3 or any Dragonbox release?

Exactly. Average dub fan. I don't think any average fan, dub or not would care and/or post here.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:19 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:Please... Let's not get this thread locked too...

Not that I'm admitting what I said was in the wrong or off-topic, but the fear of this thread getting closed at this point is a little irrational. If it does, another will pop up, there's too much to talk about and discuss.

Raki wrote:Besides the average dub fan that visits here or on Funi's forum, do they actually care about 4:3 or any Dragonbox release?

I'm sure they care after it's been drilled into their head by people who won't let it go. I'd bet a portion of them are just trying to fit in. I've been to the FUNimation forums, and the people who post there, save for a few, aren't... well.. you know.

mattymoron · Post by **mattymoron** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:21 pm

Presc503 wrote: That kid is a bad ass...like these releases.

I lol'ed.

I am also curious as to just what will be on these books, I can't imagine that it will be 80 pages of character profiles and episode summaries. Perhaps there will be art of the characters or something like that.

DragonBalllKaiHD · Post by **DragonBalllKaiHD** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:22 pm

B wrote:So, what's exactly gonna be on these hard cover books, yo? I'm thinking maybe the history of the series when it first got started, even talking about the Ocean days.

That or the history of Dragon Box.

Presc503 · Post by **Presc503** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:28 pm

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:
B wrote:So, what's exactly gonna be on these hard cover books, yo? I'm thinking maybe the history of the series when it first got started, even talking about the Ocean days.
That or the history of Dragon Box.

As I don't have the book for Z Dragon Boxes, I can't say how dense the illustrations and text are in the booklet. However, I do have the Movies boxset, and there are quite a few illustrations and info on the pages. Funi could possibly stretch the material a little thinner and end up putting the information included in one Dragonbook into four. I really have no clue. Maybe they will input stuff from other official, non-Daizenshuu books.

sumpter360 · Post by **sumpter360** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:29 pm

I think we all just need to stop fighting each other around here. I understand that everyone has their own preferred style of watching DBZ. Just because someone makes an unneccesarily negative statement about the dub you like doesn't make it right to argue about it, when we should all be super excited about it. I know I am!

As for which BGM I prefer, I definately think it depends on the dub. The Japanese dub was recorded having the Japanese BGM in mind and the FUNi dub was recorded with the Faulconer BGM in mind, so each sound better, in my opinion at least, with their regional sibling. For example, there are times when I watch the DBGT Season sets and the FUNi dub w/ JPN BGM just doesn't sound right. So even though I may prefer the JPN BGM, it simply sounds more pleasing to my ears hearing it the way they originally intended it, FUNi dub w/ FUNi BGM or JPN dub w/ JPN BGM.

B · Post by B » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:29 pm

Wait, were these books included with the Japanese DBOX?

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:29 pm

Since they made fun of our edits in the dragon box, maybe it'd be funny if they ended up doing the same in ours. XD

I figure that this is why the orange bricks were bare-bones.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:29 pm

They might put in information about the Manga, Akira Toriyama, the dubbing process, the animation process, artwork, ext. It could be an interesting read. Especially if they included interviews and information from the Daizenshuus or Super Exciting Guides. And if/when they do GT they could include the GT Perfect Files.

Presc503 · Post by **Presc503** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:31 pm

B wrote:Wait, were these books included with the Japanese DBOX?

One large book was included in every Dragon Box released.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:32 pm

bkev wrote:Since they made fun of our edits in the dragon box, maybe it'd be funny if they ended up doing the same in ours. XD

I figure that this is why the orange bricks were bare-bones.

They should include an entire featurette making fun of the Ocean dub edits.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:32 pm

B wrote:Wait, were these books included with the Japanese DBOX?

The JP Dragon Boxes came with 1 book each, giving 2 books in total.

The fact that we're getting 7 books is amazing in itself. Who knows what FUNi may put in them.

Presc503 · Post by **Presc503** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:34 pm

Castor Troy wrote:
B wrote:Wait, were these books included with the Japanese DBOX?
The JP Dragon Boxes came with 1 book each, giving 2 books in total.

The fact that we're getting 7 books is amazing in itself. Who knows what FUNi may put in them.

Maybe a self-help section about how to become rich by making the people who fund your operation your petty pawns. They know a lot of material on that subject. Shit, Gen Fukunaga probably has a doctorate on it.