English Dragon Box Release

[jjgp1112]

Perhaps we could be so lucky as to get double sided dual layer DVD's. Unlikely, but it would be nice.

What would they put on the other side, though?

They could put 3 episodes on one side and 4 on the other. Or make one side dub and one side sub.

That would actually be really cool.

Perhaps we could be so lucky as to get double sided dual layer DVD's. Unlikely, but it would be nice.

I don't think any commercial DVD has those.

A bunch of 20th Century Fox DVD's I have use this feature.

[Big Boss]

I'm still curious, though. Was it ever said what resolution the DBox negatives were scanned at?

Most likely 480p.

[gallagtor]

How would plastering pre-recorded dub voice tracks and music tamper with video quality?

Excuse me if that's a stupid question.

Well, the tracks take up a lot of data, and DVDs have a limited amount of space available, so in order to fit more on the disc, the video must be compressed.

[Castor Troy]

Perhaps we could be so lucky as to get double sided dual layer DVD's. Unlikely, but it would be nice.

I don't think any commercial DVD has those.

The original House Season 1 has dual layer and sided dvds.

Most people found it irritating so Fox made normal dual layer single sided discs. I personally hate dual sided discs because it's so much easier to scratch them.

[jjgp1112]

How would plastering pre-recorded dub voice tracks and music tamper with video quality?

Excuse me if that's a stupid question.

Well, the tracks take up a lot of data, and DVDs have a limited amount of space available, so in order to fit more on the disc, the video must be compressed.

But as shown by the Time Traveller's Season 9 screencaps, it doesn't have much of a significant effect.

[Kunzait_83]

I personally hate dual sided discs because it's so much easier to scratch them.

I back this 100%. Duel sided discs are insanely irritating. It's almost like disarming a bomb or solving a puzzle in handling the discs and getting them into and out of the case without smudging, leaving fingerprints, or scratching and scuffing one side or the other of the disc.

Only if the case it comes in has a center "button" that's VERY easily pressed, only then is the problem at least somewhat circumvented. Duel sided discs that come in cases with "non-pressable" center buttons are just... ugh. So obnoxiously stupid.

[johnboy1]

But as shown by the Time Traveller's Season 9 screencaps, it doesn't have much of a significant effect.

While it's true that the Season 9 brick looks fantastic, you also have to figure that, in spite of sideways expansion, the DBox transfers DO show more of the picture. And yet, that picture needs to fit into the same 345,600 pixels as the bricks. It's going to be a lot easier to lose detail here, simply because the detail is going to be smaller in relation to the pixels.

[FDLink]

Holy shit-- 46 pages already? Forgive the potential redundancy of this post, but 46 pages is a lot to read through.

Though the price is pretty steep (at MSRP, it'll cost $560+ to own them all) .... THIS is what I knew my waiting would reap. For the two of you who remember me, I was a very vocal detractor of the original season 1 set upon its release. I refused to buy it, or any follow-up sets... though I will say that I have been tempted numerous times in the subsequent years to just give in and buy them out of pessimism that FUNi would ever get it right. I'm so glad to see that my waiting has paid off.

Thankfully, I've maintained a fair level of interest in DB these last few years, and have been wanting to revisit the show for a while now. With this set, it looks like I can finally do that.

Good on ya, FUNi.

[jjgp1112]

But as shown by the Time Traveller's Season 9 screencaps, it doesn't have much of a significant effect.

While it's true that the Season 9 brick looks fantastic, you also have to figure that, in spite of sideways expansion, the DBox transfers DO show more of the picture. And yet, that picture needs to fit into the same 345,600 pixels as the bricks. It's going to be a lot easier to lose detail here, simply because the detail is going to be smaller in relation to the pixels.

Technically speaking though, widescreen does show more footage than fullscreen. I mean sure, in relation to DBZ, it has less picture because of the way it was framed, but the actual widescreen frame has more picture than 4:3.

[gallagtor]

But as shown by the Time Traveller's Season 9 screencaps, it doesn't have much of a significant effect.

While it's true that the Season 9 brick looks fantastic, you also have to figure that, in spite of sideways expansion, the DBox transfers DO show more of the picture. And yet, that picture needs to fit into the same 345,600 pixels as the bricks. It's going to be a lot easier to lose detail here, simply because the detail is going to be smaller in relation to the pixels.

Technically speaking though, widescreen does show more footage than fullscreen. I mean sure, in relation to DBZ, it has less picture because of the way it was framed, but the actual widescreen frame has more picture than 4:3.

What do you mean by "has more picture?"

[Freeza Heika]

While it's true that the Season 9 brick looks fantastic, you also have to figure that, in spite of sideways expansion, the DBox transfers DO show more of the picture. And yet, that picture needs to fit into the same 345,600 pixels as the bricks. It's going to be a lot easier to lose detail here, simply because the detail is going to be smaller in relation to the pixels.

Technically speaking though, widescreen does show more footage than fullscreen. I mean sure, in relation to DBZ, it has less picture because of the way it was framed, but the actual widescreen frame has more picture than 4:3.

What do you mean by "has more picture?"

I'm not sure exactly what he meant, but a 4:3 image only takes up 3/4 of what a 16:9 image does on the same widescreen tv. Though, in storage, it means nothing.

[jjgp1112]

While it's true that the Season 9 brick looks fantastic, you also have to figure that, in spite of sideways expansion, the DBox transfers DO show more of the picture. And yet, that picture needs to fit into the same 345,600 pixels as the bricks. It's going to be a lot easier to lose detail here, simply because the detail is going to be smaller in relation to the pixels.

Technically speaking though, widescreen does show more footage than fullscreen. I mean sure, in relation to DBZ, it has less picture because of the way it was framed, but the actual widescreen frame has more picture than 4:3.

What do you mean by "has more picture?"

Well, Funi cropped DBZ to Widescreen, which is why it has less picture than the Dragon Box. However, if Funi actually extended the frame, it'd have FAR more picture than the Dragon Box. The widescreen frame has more image than full screen, but since Funi just cropped DBZ to widescreen, it looks like the opposite.

So basically, 16:9 uses MORE space than 4:3.

[The Time Traveller]

While it's true that the Season 9 brick looks fantastic, you also have to figure that, in spite of sideways expansion, the DBox transfers DO show more of the picture. And yet, that picture needs to fit into the same 345,600 pixels as the bricks. It's going to be a lot easier to lose detail here, simply because the detail is going to be smaller in relation to the pixels.

Technically speaking though, widescreen does show more footage than fullscreen. I mean sure, in relation to DBZ, it has less picture because of the way it was framed, but the actual widescreen frame has more picture than 4:3.

What do you mean by "has more picture?"

He's talking about the edges, you see a TINY TINY TINY bit more on the sides.

But dude, really, there's more cropped off the top, and bottom, it looks terrible most of the time. Look the the Boo Arc eye catches, part of the DBZ logo is cropped off, I can't think of anything else that's bad, but mostly faces, and tall character's heads.

[johnboy1]

Technically speaking though, widescreen does show more footage than fullscreen. I mean sure, in relation to DBZ, it has less picture, but the actual widescreen frame has more picture than 4:3.

Yes and no. It has more picture in that it covers a larger area on a widescreen TV, but in terms of actual detail, it has the exact same number of pixels. The pixels are simply wider than on 4:3. That's why, back when fans of the theatrical Star Wars Trilogy were creating their own restoration projects from the Laserdisc releases (before Lucasfilm threw them a bone and gave the theatricals a pathetic DVD release), some of them took the fullscreen versions and overlayed them on top of the corresponding sections of the widescreen versions to improve picture quality on their custom DVDs.

Although the fullscreen versions cut off a good deal of the picture, what was there had a much higher resolution than the corresponding sections of the widescreen picture. The detail was larger in relation to the number of lines (lines being the analog equivalent of pixel resolution), so that part of the picture looked better. Granted this isn't an exact comparison, as the fullscreen and widescreen Star Wars LDs were taken from the same masters, unlike the bricks and boxes, but the principle is still valid. Only here it's reversed: the widescreen has more pixels for the amount of detail it has to convey, so it can take harder bitrate hits and still look good.

[KaiserNeko]

But as shown by the Time Traveller's Season 9 screencaps, it doesn't have much of a significant effect.

While it's true that the Season 9 brick looks fantastic, you also have to figure that, in spite of sideways expansion, the DBox transfers DO show more of the picture. And yet, that picture needs to fit into the same 345,600 pixels as the bricks. It's going to be a lot easier to lose detail here, simply because the detail is going to be smaller in relation to the pixels.

Technically speaking though, widescreen does show more footage than fullscreen. I mean sure, in relation to DBZ, it has less picture because of the way it was framed, but the actual widescreen frame has more picture than 4:3.

Compared to the singles, yes; we did get more footage on the sides with the remastered sets. But compared to the DragonBox, we lost more footage than we gained. As well, of course, the actual area we gained on the sides with the remastered sets was mostly useless to begin with, unlike the tops and bottoms which were made to be shown in the first place.

[Rocketman]

eye catches

Who gives a fuck about the eyecatches. There are no commercials, they are worthless and only serve to break the flow even worse that the filler already does.

[Mewzard]

46 Pages through, and I can finally comment. I'm excited to a degree I that is hard to express without a Dance of Joy. I was originally going to watch all the season sets in English dub, one format, before going for a full Japanese run. This is as good of a release as any to watch the Japanese in. I like the dub, but I also enjoy the original. This set will, to a degree, cater to both dubbie and subbie.

Many would consider me a dubbie for my likes and having grown up only able to get the VHS tapes prior to the season sets. But I also consider myself hardcore. I've enjoyed the show since I discovered it on Toonami with the Ocean Dub, in my youth, before it was even repeated all that often. I've gotten VHS tapes, DVDs, the entire manga, Video Games, discussed it on forums, done rp boards with dbz characters, listened to the always fun Daizex podcast, I love DB with a passion, and though the sets were crap, they were good for my lack of money at the time to re-experience the series in a time where it wasn't on tv.

Of course, I can sell my old season sets to my less hardcore, but still dbz enjoying friend at a discount so he can enjoy the series, and I can get the first set. I'm just waiting patiently, hoping this release is the genuine Holy Grail of the anime.

[KaiserNeko]

eye catches

Who gives a fuck about the eyecatches. There are no commercials, they are worthless and only serve to break the flow even worse that the filler already does.

Hey, no need to be so rude. Some people really enjoy all the facets of the show. From the openings, the endings, the next-episode previews, even the eye-catches. They're charming and are part of the show.

Edit: Though, to be fair, cropping on them is no big deal, but that's really besides the point. Cropping is unnecessary, ridiculous, and insulting to begin with.

[Raki]

eye catches

Who gives a fuck about the eyecatches. There are no commercials, they are worthless and only serve to break the flow even worse that the filler already does.

The eye catches provide a good pausing point in case you need to go do other stuff, like a piss break or to get something to eat.

[Conan the SSJ]

Perhaps we could be so lucky as to get double sided dual layer DVD's. Unlikely, but it would be nice.

I don't think any commercial DVD has those.

The original House Season 1 has dual layer and sided dvds.

As does Quantum Leap.

Most people found it irritating so Fox made normal dual layer single sided discs. I personally hate dual sided discs because it's so much easier to scratch them.

Oh God, tell me about it.