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Senzu_Bean · Post by **Senzu_Bean** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:36 pm

Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece wrote:
Senzu_Bean wrote:U18 Pan and those high-tech freaks are still in the tournament. They could make humans use Kaioken x100 or something to keep up with SSJ level.
I still think Tenshinhan with Shin-Kaioken would be a badass.

Yeah! And don't forget that bitch Kakarrot almost slapped to death.

Scarz · Post by **Scarz** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:43 pm

Senzu_Bean wrote:
Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece wrote:
Senzu_Bean wrote:U18 Pan and those high-tech freaks are still in the tournament. They could make humans use Kaioken x100 or something to keep up with SSJ level.
I still think Tenshinhan with Shin-Kaioken would be a badass.
Yeah! And don't forget that bitch Kakarrot almost slapped to death.

She was human?

Senzu_Bean · Post by **Senzu_Bean** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:45 pm

Scarz wrote:
Senzu_Bean wrote:
Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece wrote: I still think Tenshinhan with Shin-Kaioken would be a badass.
Yeah! And don't forget that bitch Kakarrot almost slapped to death.
She was human?

I don't think so. She is probably just an interplanetary bitch. But she was a weak bitch. If weak bitches can be at the tournament why not the humans?

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:09 pm

Senzu_Bean wrote:
I don't think so. She is probably just an interplanetary bitch. But she was a weak bitch. If weak bitches can be at the tournament why not the humans?

True.

If she can be in the tournament then it would be nice to see Tien with a Shin Kaioken and his Shin kikoho VERSUS :

- Freeza;
- Cold;
- one of the "super" sayans from universe 13; or
- one of the androids

Scarz · Post by **Scarz** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:34 pm

rereboy wrote:If she can be in the tournament then it would be nice to see Tenshinhan with a Shin Kaioken and his Shin kikoho VERSUS :

- Freeza;
- Cold;
- one of the "super" sayans from universe 13; or
- one of the androids

All of which well end in Tenshinhan's utter humiliation and defeat.

rereboy wrote:She is probably just an interplanetary bitch. But she was a weak bitch.

Colorful choice of words. She wasn't a bitch, she was a tart there's a difference.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:42 pm

Scarz wrote:
rereboy wrote:If she can be in the tournament then it would be nice to see Tenshinhan with a Shin Kaioken and his Shin kikoho VERSUS :

- Freeza;
- Cold;
- one of the "super" sayans from universe 13; or
- one of the androids
All of which well end in Tenshinhan's utter humiliation and defeat.

rereboy wrote:She is probably just an interplanetary bitch. But she was a weak bitch.
Colorful choice of words. She wasn't a bitch, she was a tart there's a difference.

Defeat why?

Cell Saga Tien was able to hold off second form Cell with his Shin kikoho, an enemy who was leagues beyond him. If he had used Kaioken x20 or higher along with the Shin kikoho he would probably be able to damage him a little.
And if he had a Shin Kaioken instead of a regular kaioken, who knows?

And thats only Cell saga Tien.

Buu saga Tien was even more powerful. Lets add the Shin Kaioken to that. And if he used it against one of the opponents I mentioned I don`t see why he would lose right away. He would definitely win against Cold, at least.

Btw, that second quote, I didn`t say that. It was another user.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:18 pm

rereboy wrote:Defeat why?

Kaioken only raises your power for a heart beat. Using Kaioken x50 against someone who's actually 50 times stronger than you already (like a Super Saiyajin, if their base strength is similar) probably won't result in you winning.

Maphisto86 · Post by **Maphisto86** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:30 pm

Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece wrote:
Senzu_Bean wrote:U18 Pan and those high-tech freaks are still in the tournament. They could make humans use Kaioken x100 or something to keep up with SSJ level.
I still think Tenshinhan with Shin-Kaioken would be a badass.

Ditto . . . An alternate universe could have existed where the human warriors like Yamcha, Tenshinhan and Kuririn where much more powerful for one reason or another. One of the few things missed out on . . . though I do not think all the universes combatants have been identified yet. So if Salagir wanted to he could include them somehow.

Scarz wrote:
rereboy wrote:She is probably just an interplanetary bitch. But she was a weak bitch.
Colorful choice of words. She wasn't a bitch, she was a tart there's a difference.

That's an important distinction . . . I was confused for a second there.

johnny139 · Post by **johnny139** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:34 pm

Maphisto86 wrote:
Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece wrote:
Senzu_Bean wrote:U18 Pan and those high-tech freaks are still in the tournament. They could make humans use Kaioken x100 or something to keep up with SSJ level.
I still think Tenshinhan with Shin-Kaioken would be a badass.
Ditto . . . An alternate universe could have existed where the human warriors like Yamcha, Tenshinhan and Kuririn where much more powerful for one reason or another. One of the few things missed out on . . . though I do not think all the universes combatants have been identified yet. So if Salagir wanted to he could include them somehow.

I wouldn't be surprised. Maybe Goku's fall as a baby killed him, so the Earthlings needed to bulk up on their own and fill the gap - taking down the Saiyans, at least, I'd imagine. So I'm betting future fights will involve at least ONE super Earthling.

...or at least I hope so.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:37 pm

If anything, I'm hoping for a world where Piccolo Jr. killed Gokû at the 23rd and sort of sent the world into a 'Trunks timeline' like universe where the guys like Ten, Yamcha, Kuririn, Chaozu, Rôshi, Bulma, and Chichi are living on the lam helping a revolution take back the Earth from Piccolo.

But then again...Raditz would've shown up...

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:41 pm

Is that an OC who flew up after Gohan, or have I forgotten the art style?

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:44 pm

bkev wrote:Is that an OC who flew up after Gohan, or have I forgotten the art style?

That's Videl. She's got a bit of a different design in this series.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:28 am

Senzu_Bean wrote:U18 Pan and those high-tech freaks are still in the tournament. They could make humans use Kaioken x100 or something to keep up with SSJ level.

Super Saiyan 1 is x50 a Saiyan's base. Goku and Vegeta's on Namek were over one hundred times stronger than even the best the humans could possibly get to after training with King Kai.

Humans can't keep up with Saiyans. Period.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:01 am

Bussani wrote:
rereboy wrote:Defeat why?
Kaioken only raises your power for a heart beat. Using Kaioken x50 against someone who's actually 50 times stronger than you already (like a Super Saiyajin, if their base strength is similar) probably won't result in you winning.

Yes, but if he was able to hold off second form Cell, that same power would have hurt Freeza much more than it did to Cell. Now multiply that power with kaioken x20. Now think of a Shin kaioken (which maybe results in more than a 50x increase. Perhaps a 75x or a 100x increase) and buu saga Tien instead of Cell saga Tien.

Its clear to me that he would have a power surpassing a basic SSJ even if it didn`t last very long.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:11 am

I think Shin Kikoho's biggest strength was it could be rapid fired. We don't know if each individual shot was much more powerful than a normal Kikoho or not (although I would assume so).

I'm sure a Kaioken fueled Shin Kikoho would be huge, but wouldn't you have to keep using Kaioken over and over to rapid fire it? I wonder how many shots you could do before using up all your ki and dying.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:37 am

Even one kikoho would be extremely deadly with a Shin Kaioken. But a Shin Kaioken may also put less strain to the body than a normal kaioken, despite his larger increase. So he could hold on firing kikohos longer.

Wojak · Post by **Wojak** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:57 am

But just focusing all your power for a short fight doesn't work.
Even equal opponents take a long time to fight eachother.
Let's say that Tenshinhan is equal to Freeza with this Shin Kaioken you speak about.
Freeza would still have more stamina, since he has no strain at all.
And he would easily avoid the kikoho. The only reason Cell got caught into it was because of that he got ninja attacked.
The kikoho requires that you aim in, stand still, and shoot. It's an incomplete technique.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:40 am

Wojak wrote:But just focusing all your power for a short fight doesn't work.
Even equal opponents take a long time to fight eachother.
Let's say that Tenshinhan is equal to Freeza with this Shin Kaioken you speak about.
Freeza would still have more stamina, since he has no strain at all.
And he would easily avoid the kikoho. The only reason Cell got caught into it was because of that he got ninja attacked.
The kikoho requires that you aim in, stand still, and shoot. It's an incomplete technique.

And exactly why do you think that he would be equal to Freeza?

The blasts that he fired on second form Cell would hurt Freeza (even if they wouldn`t damage him significantly, they would hurt him) because they were able to hold off second form Cell who was much stronger than 16, 17, 18, Kami-Piccolo and any basic SSJ, who were all stronger than Freeza.

Add to that a kaioken x20. Freeza would start to be in real trouble. Add a Shin Kaioken. That might be enough to defeat him with just those blasts, who knows? Add to that buu saga Tien.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:51 am

If 'Shin Kaioken' is one you can sustain without much strain, then yeah, he'd be something to be reckoned with. Of course, if you increase the output of Shin Kikoho to make use of the power boost, then you're just going to exhaust yourself all over again. Alternatively, you could get away with even more rapid fire regular size Shin Kikohos. Either way, it would be cool.

Senzu_Bean · Post by **Senzu_Bean** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:40 pm

JulieYBM wrote:If anything, I'm hoping for a world where Piccolo Jr. killed Gokû at the 23rd and sort of sent the world into a 'Trunks timeline' like universe where the guys like Ten, Yamcha, Kuririn, Chaozu, Rôshi, Bulma, and Chichi are living on the lam helping a revolution take back the Earth from Piccolo.

But then again...Raditz would've shown up...

Raditz would die when his spaceship is hit by a meteor.