Let's have 7 disks instead of 6...email FUNi!

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:01 pm

Commander_Red wrote:Why stop at one extra disc? Why not demand blu-ray?

An extra disc is reasonable because there's both precedent and cause. We can't just go around taking advantage of FUNi's generosity in this instance and demand something like Blu-ray-- this was an expensive enough aquisition for them as it is.

Besides, the Japanese Dragon Boxes were DVDs.

~Da Lemmy

Brad Redfield · Post by **Brad Redfield** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:01 pm

Plus I'm sure that Funimation only has the Dragon Box masters in standard definition.

Kuhan · Post by **Kuhan** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:51 pm

yeah, but about 3.5-4 dual-layer DVDs can fit on a dual-layer Blu-Ray

Nobody said that Blu-Ray HAS to be HD, it's only HD because it can hold it. You can have HD content on DVDs, but since it's a bigger filesize, it's not practical.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:55 pm

We're looking for something closer to the original product, not further away from it.

Kuhan · Post by **Kuhan** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:57 pm

Technically, it's the same product.

Although, I'd also prefer it on DVD rather than Blu-Ray, it's not exclusively for HD content.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:01 am

I'm the only person I know who has a Blu-Ray player. I'd like to be able to watch these at a friend's house or something, too, without lugging a machine around with me.

FDLink · Post by **FDLink** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:32 am

With all due respect, DBZ is a 20-year-old, hand-drawn cartoon, presented (as it was intended) in 4:3. That being said, it's not the type of thing that demands a Blu-ray release. Don't get me wrong, I love Blu-ray, I have a PS3 and would totally dig it if they came out with an affordable set, but standard DVD DragonBoxes are just fine with me. Besides, upscaling players are commonplace these days.

Now... seeing as how the movies were originally presented in 16:9, I could understand if they released standard and Blu-ray versions of that particular DragonBox. Though honestly, the animation for the movies wasn't that much more advanced than the show (save 12 & 13), so I don't think they particularly demand Blu, either.

And as for this bitrate nitpicking: if they listen to you and spread the episodes across seven discs instead of six... awesome. But if they don't, let's not throw a fit about it. I guarantee that you won't be able to tell a difference.

dragonfist · Post by **dragonfist** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:52 am

I already send an e-mail explaning my concerns. All we can do is see how they respond.

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:09 am

I for one would love seeing them on Blu-ray. Especially if it meant lossless encodes and more episodes per disc. I am already upgrading the better parts of my video collection to Blu-ray… but then, I am an early adopter and obsessed with quality, and I don’t think the sub-niche of people like me is big enough to warrant FUNi’s extra investment in such a product. Though I have a sneaking suspicion that that is exactly what we will see several years down the line… I don’t think they will ever stop selling Dragon Ball if they can get away with it.

RoarkVegeta · Post by **RoarkVegeta** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:30 am

I hope Funi listens...

Kuhan · Post by **Kuhan** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:37 am

FDLink wrote:With all due respect, DBZ is a 20-year-old, hand-drawn cartoon, presented (as it was intended) in 4:3. That being said, it's not the type of thing that demands a Blu-ray release. Don't get me wrong, I love Blu-ray, I have a PS3 and would totally dig it if they came out with an affordable set, but standard DVD DragonBoxes are just fine with me. Besides, upscaling players are commonplace these days.

Now... seeing as how the movies were originally presented in 16:9, I could understand if they released standard and Blu-ray versions of that particular DragonBox. Though honestly, the animation for the movies wasn't that much more advanced than the show (save 12 & 13), so I don't think they particularly demand Blu, either.

There is no law stating that Blu-Ray is for 16:9 HD Content. 4:3 SD Content on Blu-Ray would allow for less discs. Once again, I'd prefer a DVD release, as I don't have a Blu-Ray player, but the arguments against Blu-Ray aren't well formed.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:40 am

We already have Kai for a Blu-Ray release.

I'm sure none of you want to see Bulma fighting the crab in HD.

RoarkVegeta · Post by **RoarkVegeta** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:42 am

Castor Troy wrote:We already have Kai for a Blu-Ray release.

I'm sure none of you want to see Bulma fighting the crab in HD.

*starts to say "I do!" but is shot.*

ultimateemail5000 · Post by **ultimateemail5000** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:51 am

You guys, if you all e-mail Funi and bitch about such a small thing, that will be the next gimmik to re-re-re-re-re-release the series AGAIN. Don't do it, I'm begging you, fixing widescreen though paid off, thanks guys.

Kuhan · Post by **Kuhan** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:52 am

We're not bitching. Just making a slight suggestion. We did the exact same things with the orange bricks (moving from 5 to 6 DVDs) and FUNi actually listened... soooo...

Mystery Person X · Post by **Mystery Person X** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:02 am

Regarding Blu-ray:

4:3 content on Blu-ray isn't unheard of. For the most prominent example I can think of in the US, Star Trek: The Original Series looks absolutely gorgeous, and it would have been a crime to decide not to release it because it wasn't 16:9.

SD content on Blu-ray (outside of extras) IS basically unheard of. It's a suggestion people make now and again, about how the studios could fit tons and tons of SD content on one disc... but they don't, because what's the point? It just means less people can play the discs without bringing any increase in quality whatsoever. DVDs are cheap; they might as well use a few of those so more people will buy the release.

It would be especially inappropriate for DBZ, since it's from a film source and thus genuine HD masters could be created instead. (See Dragon Ball Kai, although unlike the Dragon Boxes they used tons of DNR so it doesn't look much like the original film anymore.)

Also, there is plenty of non-HD anime released on Blu-ray in Japan, but those have the content upscaled to "HD", which means no massive space saving. The only benefit there is better encoding.

Char Aznable · Post by **Char Aznable** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:10 am

I'm in disagreement with trying to get the Dragon Boxes on Blu-Ray as well, I mean, what's the point? The show was animated in the early 90s (okay, 1989), stuff like HD and 1080p resolution were simple pipe dreams back then. I believe it's been said many times before: 'Dragon Ball, even the Dragon Box, looks like ass in HD'. It would be a waste a perfectly good release in my opinion to produce both a DVD and a Blu-Ray version - and if anyone is thinking that a Blu-Ray version should replace the DVD release, you're crazy. It won't sell.

Out of my group of friends, I can count on one hand the number of them who own a PS3 - three. I don't know anyone that owns a standalone Blu-Ray player, either. I certainly own neither one, because both products are too far out of my price range and honestly, I'm content with standard DVD. With no HDTV, all of this 1080p tomorrow's wave of the future today stuff doesn't apply to me anyway, because it would look exactly the same to me.

Save the Blu-Ray release for Kai. Even then - minus the opening, ending, and eyecatches of course - I don't think it'll look very good in HD.

whitey · Post by **whitey** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:38 am

One good reason to make the set 7 discs, 6 episodes per disc is to keep the original disc count. That way we get all of the brilliant disc art the Japanese release recieved. I hope they are using the original disc art. Has this been confirmed? All original art would be fantastic.

Also Funimation hopefully will fix the misprint from disc 19 and 22 from the second dragon box z. Swapping Kid Buu to disc 22 and Super Buu to disc 19.

People should make Funi aware of these points to make sure this is as faithful to the original as possible.

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:47 am

Acid_Reign wrote:I for one would love seeing them on Blu-ray. Especially if it meant lossless encodes and more episodes per disc. I am already upgrading the better parts of my video collection to Blu-ray… but then, I am an early adopter and obsessed with quality, and I don’t think the sub-niche of people like me is big enough to warrant FUNi’s extra investment in such a product. Though I have a sneaking suspicion that that is exactly what we will see several years down the line… I don’t think they will ever stop selling Dragon Ball if they can get away with it.

I'm betting on exactly that. They'll release BluRay Dboxes after these sets sell. That will give the market a little bit more time to mature (how long did it take them to release the Orange Bricks? 3 years?). All we need to do it make enough noise (it apparently worked for the DVD Dboxes).

I keep seeing the same old arguments against a BluRay release which just aren't true (assuming they don't only have the masters in SD, which I doubt). The show is too old or there is too much grain.

The higher resolution is enough to justify the release in my opinion:
DVD vs. BluRay

Also, the grain is just part of the film, the higher res makes it less noticeable, but its still in the newest of films:
DVD vs. BluRay or DVD vs. BluRay. (note, the bluray pic here isn't even in full 1080p res)

Click on the links here if you're not truly aware of what BluRay can do better than DVD. You'll see comparisons between 300, Pirates of the Caribbean, Casino Royale, etc. etc. Make sure to take advantage of zooming in on each comparison as well (keep in mind the bluray pics aren't in full 1080P which means they actually look better on disc).

snaku · Post by **snaku** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:01 am

ect5150 wrote:The higher resolution is enough to justify the release in my opinion:
DVD vs. BluRay

I hope you realize that if Toei has Pony Canyon go back and remaster the original 16mm film negative again, but this time in 1080p, it would not look anywhere near as gorgeous as Sleeping Beauty. It was shot on large format 35mm negatives that were intended to be enlarged to 70mm prints.