Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:34 pm

Vegetto is a pure blooded Saiyajin with immense power, skill and cunning. What exactly is preventing him from reaching those extra Super Saiyajin forms? There's more evidence to believe that it's potentially possible than there is to believe that it's impossible, I think. I doubt any of the guides say anything either way.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:03 pm

Bussani wrote:Vegetto is a pure blooded Saiyajin with immense power, skill and cunning. What exactly is preventing him from reaching those extra Super Saiyajin forms? There's more evidence to believe that it's potentially possible than there is to believe that it's impossible, I think. I doubt any of the guides say anything either way.

Vegetto would destroy the universe if he got any stronger!

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:20 pm

As far as the canon goes, no one is stronger than Vegetto. What's the point in fighting with these extra forms when he knows that no one could stand up to them? Maybe he'd transform, just for show, but of course he wouldn't be able to have a decent fight with anyone but another copy of himself. In the end, his only hope would be to split himself back into Son and Vegeta. If he decides to never do that, he'll just live a never ending existance of bordem.

And if Salagir is thinking the same thing that I am, it may be the reason why he's pitting Vegetto and Broly together in that match. The two "Ultimate Fighters" going all out against each other. Sounds smart, to me.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:41 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:
Bussani wrote:Vegetto is a pure blooded Saiyajin with immense power, skill and cunning. What exactly is preventing him from reaching those extra Super Saiyajin forms? There's more evidence to believe that it's potentially possible than there is to believe that it's impossible, I think. I doubt any of the guides say anything either way.
Vegetto would destroy the universe if he got any stronger!

Whom are we talking about Vegerot or Chuck Norris?

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:47 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote:
Bussani wrote:Vegetto is a pure blooded Saiyajin with immense power, skill and cunning. What exactly is preventing him from reaching those extra Super Saiyajin forms? There's more evidence to believe that it's potentially possible than there is to believe that it's impossible, I think. I doubt any of the guides say anything either way.
Vegetto would destroy the universe if he got any stronger!
Whom are we talking about Vegerot or Chuck Norris?

Norris. Who the fuck else?!

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:47 pm

Pain wrote:Vegetto and Broly ... The two "Ultimate Fighters"

Bullshit. Broly is on Cell's level. Gogeta is the only other "Ultimate Fighter".

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:53 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Pain wrote:Vegetto and Broly ... The two "Ultimate Fighters"
Bullshit. Broly is on Cell's level. Gogeta is the only other "Ultimate Fighter".

I meant that not in a literal sense. And I thought Gogeta was the Instrument Of Your Defeat?

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:22 am

Saiyan-Professor wrote:Whom are we talking about Vegerot or Chuck Norris?

I can understand and dig your preference of "Kakarrot" over "Goku." But why in all four levels of Hell would you use "Vegerot" over some variation of "Vegetto," unless it's a joke?

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:25 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:Whom are we talking about Vegerot or Chuck Norris?
I can understand and dig your preference of "Kakarrot" over "Goku." But why in all four levels of Hell would you use "Vegerot" over some variation of "Vegetto," unless it's a joke?

Not to mention the fifth and sixth levels of Impel Down!!

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:34 am

JulieYBM wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:Whom are we talking about Vegerot or Chuck Norris?
I can understand and dig your preference of "Kakarrot" over "Goku." But why in all four levels of Hell would you use "Vegerot" over some variation of "Vegetto," unless it's a joke?
Not to mention the fifth and sixth levels of Impel Down!!

...or the 7th Heaven!

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:59 am

Metalwario64 wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:Not to mention the fifth and sixth levels of Impel Down!!
...or the 7th Heaven!

No, I've come to the personal conclusion that there are but four levels of Hell, and their names are, "Twilight," "New Moon," "Eclipse," and "Breaking Dawn."

As for the subject at hand...

Super Vegetto. The dude made Gohan-Buu, THE far-and-above strongest being in the entire universe up to that point, look like a total chump... and he wasn't even trying. Throughout the whole fight, Vegetto was pleading with Buu, "come on, fight seriously! Make me use my full power!"

And that's only at Super Saiyan level one. Like we've seen with Gotenks, a Fusion is not restricted to the transformations of his two parts. Neither Goten or Trunks are capable of anything beyond SSj1, yet Gotenks whipped out SSj3 like it weren't no thang. Likewise, we have no reason to believe that Vegetto couldn't have poofed up to SSj2 or SSj3 if he wanted to. The only reason he's (hypothetically) not capable of SSj4 is because he doesn't have a tail.

In the Dragon Ball universe, Vegetto is a god among gods. A fan-manga is one thing. They can make up whatever they want, but there'd better be a damn good reason for if any of them can tango with Super Vegetto.

Saiyan-Professor wrote: Chibi Kakarrot said that Rilld was stronger than Majin Boo, and I seriously doubt he meant the fat one.

He almost certainly meant Mr. Buu, since he's the only Buu who's still around and kicking, and whom Pan and Trunks, both present and whom Goku was talking to, would be most familiar with.

Saiyan-Professor wrote:I still believe that (GT) base Chibi Kakarrot and even base Vegeta can go toe to toe with Boo’s strongest form.

This is the most absurdly ridiculous thing I've read on this forum in a LOOONG time. Not even GT itself proposed such a thing, and any events that even remotely suggested it are either easily dismissed or explained with a little creativity.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:45 am

Saiyan-Professor wrote:I still believe that (GT) base Chibi Kakarrot and even base Vegeta can go toe to toe with Boo’s strongest form.

How can you make this claim with no evidence, yet deny the possibility that Vegetto can attain Super Saiyan 3 on he grounds of no evidence?

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:59 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:...He almost certainly meant Mr. Buu, since he's the only Buu who's still around and kicking, and whom Pan and Trunks, both present and whom Goku was talking to, would be most familiar with.

Saiyan-Professor wrote:I still believe that (GT) base Chibi Kakarrot and even base Vegeta can go toe to toe with Boo’s strongest form.
This is the most absurdly ridiculous thing I've read on this forum in a LOOONG time. Not even GT itself proposed such a thing, and any events that even remotely suggested it are either easily dismissed or explained with a little creativity.

Look Kakarrot’s comment about Rilld being stronger than Majin Boo would not be as dramatic if he meant Mr. Boo. Given Kakarrot’s, Trunks’ and Pan’s reactions to General Rilld’s approach. Ten years after the Boo Saga Kakarrot could go toe to toe with Uub in base form, and then add 5 more years of training with someone at Kidd Buu’s level. I seriously doubt he was talking about Mr. Boo for why didn’t he not say Boo San? He had to be talking about Super Boo and as I mentioned before Rilld was not even at full-strength at that point. As I mentioned GT was supposed to demonstrate the how the main characters has surpassed the Z-level stuff.

I should stop right here because Vegerot being the Dragonball god of strength is one of those ‘sacred cows’ that no one should touch and a person cannot convince anyone otherwise. At least people are not arguing Son Gohan has that position anymore…I should be thankful for what I can get.

Senzu_Bean · Post by **Senzu_Bean** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:24 am

Vegetto would probably be able to go SSJ3 since Goku can and Gotenks can too. He would probably explode the universe though.

Rocketman wrote:
Senzu_Bean wrote:Everything that can make SSJ4 struggle is superior to Vegetto. Elder Kai said so.
I missed that line. What did he say?

He said SSJ4 is the biggest thing he ever saw thus bigger than SSJ Vegetto.

mattymoron wrote:Yes, but, Vegeta is also DEAD. His body still has those unlimited energy stores to go on, so I doubt it would take too much getting used to for him.

Even if you not consider Vegetto as an entire different being (which he is) they fused on Earth thus that rule doesn't apply when a dead is on the living world.

Saiyan-Professor wrote:His combat strength could be anywhere ...

No, no and no. Broly doesn't have unlimited power. His SSJ stage does have limited power however Broly himself doesn't. That is why he had to expel ki from his body.
If he trained like Goku and such he probably could have SSJ3 power or more in his LSSJ but without train he would explode.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:50 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:Look Kakarrot’s comment about Rilld being stronger than Majin Boo would not be as dramatic if he meant Mr. Boo. Given Kakarrot’s, Trunks’ and Pan’s reactions to General Rilld’s approach. Ten years after the Boo Saga Kakarrot could go toe to toe with Uub in base form, and then add 5 more years of training with someone at Kidd Buu’s level. I seriously doubt he was talking about Mr. Boo for why didn’t he not say Boo San? He had to be talking about Super Boo and as I mentioned before Rilld was not even at full-strength at that point. As I mentioned GT was supposed to demonstrate the how the main characters has surpassed the Z-level stuff.

If I remember right, though, didn't Goku have a tough time deafeating Rildo? I don't even think he did. I though he just left the planet with Rildo still alive.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:10 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:Look Kakarrot’s comment about Rilld being stronger than Majin Boo would not be as dramatic if he meant Mr. Boo. Given Kakarrot’s, Trunks’ and Pan’s reactions to General Rilld’s approach. Ten years after the Boo Saga Kakarrot could go toe to toe with Uub in base form, and then add 5 more years of training with someone at Kidd Buu’s level. I seriously doubt he was talking about Mr. Boo for why didn’t he not say Boo San? He had to be talking about Super Boo and as I mentioned before Rilld was not even at full-strength at that point. As I mentioned GT was supposed to demonstrate the how the main characters has surpassed the Z-level stuff.
If I remember right, though, didn't Goku have a tough time deafeating Rildo? I don't even think he did. I though he just left the planet with Rildo still alive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8P79rEGwv8&fmt=22

Well...he does spend most of the fight as a SSj. Methinks Gokuu's power shot up a good eight-fold in those fifteen years since he fought Boo, which would explain SSj being strong enough. Chop it up to Toei wanting to make the statement that "Now, even Super Saiyan is enough for Gokuu to handle a foe greater than Boo!!" which sort of contradicts the idea of Gokuu as having become weaker as a child.

Senzu_Bean · Post by **Senzu_Bean** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:32 pm

Actually Goku never beats Rilld. I don't remember if Goku let himself be turned into metal on purpose or not.
But the reality is SSJ wasn't enough to beat Rilld and for two instances Goku had to turn into SSJ2 to be able to keep with him.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:50 pm

Senzu_Bean wrote:Actually Goku never beats Rilld. I don't remember if Goku let himself be turned into metal on purpose or not.
But the reality is SSJ wasn't enough to beat Rilld and for two instances Goku had to turn into SSJ2 to be able to keep with him.

Nah, he gets caught off guard trying to save Pan. And then as they're leaving the planet the three base form Saiyans kill Rilld with KameHame-Ha's, I believe.

Which was the SECOND instance of SSj2? O.o

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:56 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:I should stop right here because Vegerot being the Dragonball god of strength is one of those ‘sacred cows’ that no one should touch and a person cannot convince anyone otherwise.

It's more like one of those things where you're trying to convince us that up is down. It's an extensively well known fact that he is the man in Dragonball and you'll never make anyone think otherwise (not at this forum at least....).

Senzu_Bean · Post by **Senzu_Bean** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:23 pm

How much does Rilld says Goku's power increases upon transformation into SSJ? In the original, of course.

JulieYBM wrote:
Senzu_Bean wrote:Actually Goku never beats Rilld. I don't remember if Goku let himself be turned into metal on purpose or not.
But the reality is SSJ wasn't enough to beat Rilld and for two instances Goku had to turn into SSJ2 to be able to keep with him.
Nah, he gets caught off guard trying to save Pan. And then as they're leaving the planet the three base form Saiyans kill Rilld with KameHame-Ha's, I believe.

Trying to make sense of that scene I believe Rilld was unconscious due Bebi possessing him or at least he wasn't aware of what was happening thus killed easily.

JulieYBM wrote:Which was the SECOND instance of SSj2? O.o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uumdpqHRMIA - At 3:31 minutes.