Kakkarot - what you like and don't like about him...

Saiyavenger2941 · Post by **Saiyavenger2941** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:09 pm

Kakkarot works for me, because he's a rotten individual.

Trailer park redneck drunks are better parents/husbands than he is.

Wojak · Post by **Wojak** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:51 pm

Like:

He is afterall useful in fights, even though they always lead to him winning.
He has a sweer hairdo and sweet gi.
He is ready to sacrifice himself for his friends or even strangers.
He isn't judgemental, and he is kind.

Dislike:

He is a f*cking moron!
He is naive, and doesn't learn from his mistakes sometimes. Like depending too much on Gohan, when Gohan clearly doesn't want to fight.

Well, other than his intelligence, there is nothing wrong.

Also, I think that calling Goku for Kakarrot is stupid. He is a Saiya-jin without that name and acknowledges his heritage at the Freeza saga.
So...how can he be more of a Saiya-jin with that name?
You know what, whatever.

Dr. Casey · Post by **Dr. Casey** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:54 pm

Saiyavenger2941 wrote:Kakkarot works for me, because he's a rotten individual.

Hehe, nice. XD

While I do get annoyed with Goku sometimes, I can't help but think that maybe I'm too rough on him. For starters, I don't know how that much social isolation would affect the way a person thinks and interacts with his environment. Whenever the series begins I think he's been alone for quite a while (I get the impression that the solitary lifestyle has become pretty natural for him), and there's potentially three more years of that between the 21st and 22nd Budokais (The anime has him bouncing from one village to the next, but in the manga I think all that's given of those three years is him training his tail with the monkeys, so he might have tried to stick to forests and more natural environments). I also don't know how strong the Saiyan fighting instinct is, whether it's just a very strong competitive streak or if it's something that a Saiyan couldn't stand living without.

Granted, I'm probably overanalyzing and Toriyama just wants us to think of him as a free spirit, end of story... but until he confirms that, I'll stick to thinking that Goku's biology and upbringing maybe deserves a bit more credit than it's sometimes given. (With that said, Goku's still one of my favorite characters even if he does go down a few notches after the Cell Games; being frustratingly distant from his friends and family doesn't change the fact that he's an interesting, charismatic person.)

Rory · Post by **Rory** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:14 pm

Wojak wrote:Also, I think that calling Goku for Kakarrot is stupid. He is a Saiya-jin without that name and acknowledges his heritage at the Freeza saga.
So...how can he be more of a Saiya-jin with that name?
You know what, whatever.

But does he ever call himself Kakarrot? He acknowledges his Saiyan heritage, but he never calls himself Kakarrot. He still refers to himself as Son Goku.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:31 pm

I generally like Goku as a character. He's a horrible wretched person, but he makes for an interesting character.

What I don't like is how Toei shits on ChiChi and Vegeta (and every other character for that matter) to make Goku look better. Or how the characters in-story never respond in any way but positive when Goku hauls off with things like "Aw, ChiChi, I know you lost your husband and oldest son, but you've still got Goten!...well, if Buu doesn't kill him while he's trying to do this crazy plan I just came up since I can't be arsed to defeat the bad guy myself. Bye~!"

Saiyavenger2941 · Post by **Saiyavenger2941** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:39 pm

Rocketman wrote:What I don't like is how Toei shits on ChiChi and Vegeta (and every other character for that matter) to make Goku look better. Or how the characters in-story never respond in any way but positive when Goku hauls off with things like "Aw, ChiChi, I know you lost your husband and oldest son, but you've still got Goten!...well, if Buu doesn't kill him while he's trying to do this crazy plan I just came up since I can't be arsed to defeat the bad guy myself. Bye~!"

This. X1006.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:39 pm

B wrote:I've never really hated or had a bad thing to say about Goku. People call him an asshole when really, he's just dumb. His grandafther only taught him a handful of things such as "be nice to girls!" before he killed him, and everything else he learned through people yelling at him, "YOU DUMMY, THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO!"

That's alos ignoring the fact he's the main character, and I've never understood how you can enjoy a work of fiction with a lead you despise. Common sense would tell you things are gonna center around this person, so you either learn to tolerate him/her or go watch/read something else. =/

I pretty much agree with you. I find it amusing how some people go out of their way to call Goku an asshole or a shithead as if he's intentionally doing things to harm everyone. Nobody taught him the proper ways of the world, so to him, he's not harming anyone. And not only that, but he's a Saiyan for God's sake - fighting is in his blood and it comes before everything - blame that on his genetics, not his personality.

And like you said, Goku's the main character. OF COURSE people are gonna be pushed aside in his favor because he's the star of the show. That's why I find it silly when people complain about Vegeta not getting his "moment." Newsflash: Vegeta is neither the main character nor his son, and spent the majority of the series being a self-righteous ass who was asking for Karma to bite him in the ass. He was the real asshole of the show, not Goku.

SaiyaMel · Post by **SaiyaMel** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:04 pm

Saiyavenger2941 wrote:Trailer park redneck drunks are better parents/husbands than he is.

That's an overstatement, don't you think? Or are you kidding?

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:09 pm

SaiyaMel wrote:
Saiyavenger2941 wrote:Trailer park redneck drunks are better parents/husbands than he is.
That's an overstatement, don't you think? Or are you kidding?

Nah that sounds about right...

Saiyavenger2941 · Post by **Saiyavenger2941** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:22 pm

SaiyaMel wrote:
Saiyavenger2941 wrote:Trailer park redneck drunks are better parents/husbands than he is.
That's an overstatement, don't you think? Or are you kidding?

Nope. More of an understatement, really.

And considering how much I hate drunks, rednecks, or any combination of them...

Maphisto86 · Post by **Maphisto86** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:33 pm

Son Goku's only real faults are his naivety and his single mindedness. Well not exactly the brightest bulb in the house, he is smart when it comes to combat. However we have all seen how he is not the best father and husband.

Unlike some though I think Son Goku is a good hero, just one with flaws. He obviously loves his family but can be selfish, a consequence of his single minded devotion to whatever he is doing at the moment. Goku's single mindedness often get's him through the toughest challenges and allows him to overcome the toughest training. It's cliche but Goku's single mindedness is is greatest strength and greatest weakness.

Despite that, Goku is still one of my favorite characters in Dragonball. I believe there is more to him then just being an awesome fighter and a naive man child.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:34 pm

Oh for the love of God. Son Gokû's family and friends have made peace with who he is. Save the gratuitous and exaggerated descriptions for yourselves. Such posts make dicussions needlessly stressful and unappealing to partake in.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:35 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:I pretty much agree with you. I find it amusing how some people go out of their way to call Goku an asshole or a shithead as if he's intentionally doing things to harm everyone. Nobody taught him the proper ways of the world, so to him, he's not harming anyone. And not only that, but he's a Saiyan for God's sake - fighting is in his blood and it comes before everything - blame that on his genetics, not his personality.

Vegeta was born and raised on the Saiyan homeworld and he's a better dad than Goku.

And like you said, Goku's the main character. OF COURSE people are gonna be pushed aside in his favor because he's the star of the show.

Yes, but when SSJ2 Vegeta can't ruffle a scarf while SSJ1 Kid Goku knocks the bad guy across half the planet, that goes beyond "he's the star" and into "mmm ~goku~ *slurpslurpslurp*".

And Goku didn't say goodbye to ChiChi at the end of GT because...?

He was the real asshole of the show, not Goku.

No argument. But Vegeta is an asshole who's treated like an asshole. Goku is an asshole who's treated like a decent person.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:57 pm

JulieYBM wrote:Oh for the love of God. Son Gokû's family and friends have made peace with who he is. Save the gratuitous and exaggerated descriptions for yourselves. Such posts make dicussions needlessly stressful and unappealing to partake in.

THANK YOU.

Some people's descriptions of Goku are just laughable and ridiculous.

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:57 pm

In general I like Goku. He used to be my favorite character, and is still pretty high up there. The only thing about him that really irritates me is in Dragonball when he just will not shut the fuck up about how damn hungry he is. It's all the time, often multiple times in an episode.

Other than that, he's cool. I don't think he's the worst father either. I would like it if he stuck around at the end of Z, but other than that it's pretty obvious that he cares about his family. There's a few bits and pieces in the manga that show he's not he worst family man, and I count any of the anime filler (such as Goku hugging Goten)that also show this.

SaiyaMel · Post by **SaiyaMel** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:20 pm

Saiyavenger2941 wrote:
SaiyaMel wrote:
Saiyavenger2941 wrote:Trailer park redneck drunks are better parents/husbands than he is.
That's an overstatement, don't you think? Or are you kidding?
Nope. More of an understatement, really.

And considering how much I hate drunks, rednecks, or any combination of them...

I disagree... I'm sure he loves his family more than a lot of those trailer park drunken rednecks do - I'm sure you could agree on that?

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:33 pm

SaiyaMel wrote:- Acts quite childish/clownish at times even as an adult. It was tolerable and even cute when he was a kid still

This is only in filler, I think. Like eating clouds in Other World.

Kroni_Hunter wrote:It's actually "Kakarroto"

I think you've got one too many Rs there, but I'm not sure if it makes a difference..

Saiyan-Professor wrote:Good god people you know who the name is in reference to and it is an actual name used in the manga and anime. Why does everyone have to jump on the bandwagon? Also why do you have to resort to name calling just because someone refuses to use “Son Goku”?

People thinking the same way isn't jumping on a bandwagon. Personally I'm not bothered when people use Kakarrot (or whatever spelling), but I doubt multiple people said it did out of herd mentality.

SaiyaMel · Post by **SaiyaMel** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:53 pm

Bussani wrote:This is only in filler, I think. Like eating clouds in Other World.

True, filler puts most of the emphasis on his goofy/childish side in Z... though I do count filler for most part. There's that moment when he was taking a bath on the way to Namek that's in the anime and manga.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:01 pm

SaiyaMel wrote:
Bussani wrote:This is only in filler, I think. Like eating clouds in Other World.
True, filler puts most of the emphasis on his goofy/childish side in Z... though I do count filler for most part. There's that moment when he was taking a bath on the way to Namek that's in the anime and manga.

Bathing is childish?

But yeah, I don't like filler Goku much. He's so out of character. After growing up, Goku in the manga never acts like a child, in my opinion.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:23 pm

SaiyaMel wrote:There's that moment when he was taking a bath on the way to Namek that's in the anime and manga.

Do you object to adult Goku's naked deary-ear?

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